posted April 20, 2011 07:55 PM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
I am coming to feeling of deep respect for Cancer Mars (my Cancer experiences r not very good,bad interaction with my fire Sun&Mars) They will move mountains for the one they love; tear apart anyone and anything,with teeth if necessary; They have sense of belonging; They know who there r. That's big,many people spend life in the search...

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VERY true Venus
Cancer moon/Mars---If you hurt someone I love,I become feral

posted April 20, 2011 07:57 PM            

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Originally posted by maira:
Strong Pluto as in "do not mess with me or else" type of thing?

Later edit, it's really late here and I just responded to the questions without reading carefully the posts. My vote goes to Pluto

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Yes,Pluto would be the most obvious answer. Good point Maira

posted April 20, 2011 08:10 PM            

Mars in Libra, Aquarius for fighting injustice

posted April 20, 2011 08:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
Strong Uranus for not caring what others think

Mars in Libra, Aquarius for fighting injustice

Any placement that wants to help the underdog

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Very interesting thoughts,Lonake Thank you!

posted April 20, 2011 08:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Nightingale:
No aspect in isolation but a strong Mars and strong Sun would help.

Example: Sun in Aries trine Mars in Leo.

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I must be the queen of standing up to bullying then My mars and sun are conjunct in Aries. Unfortunately, Pluto opposes them, so I had my fair share of people wanting to bully me (and not succeeding).

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I have Gemini Sun sextile Pluto. That may be strong.
Scorpio ASC with Pluto conjunct the MC is prolly the strongest of any I mentioned. Do you agree?

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Yep, both placements are strong. As for not standing up for themselves, I would say Pisces placements, maybe Virgo too.

posted April 20, 2011 08:33 PM            

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I have a Cancer Mars conjunct Moon(7 degrees)
I would NOT call that strong,particularly.
I have Gemini Sun sextile Pluto. That may be strong.
Scorpio ASC with Pluto conjunct the MC is prolly the strongest of any I mentioned. Do you agree?

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I'd have to see your dob to see whether there are strong aspects to the Sun and Mars, however if you do stand up to bullies then you do! I do too, and I have a strong Mars (conjunct Sun) and strong Sun (conjunct Pluto).

posted April 20, 2011 08:38 PM            

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I must be the queen of standing up to bullying then My mars and sun are conjunct in Aries. Unfortunately, Pluto opposes them, so I had my fair share of people wanting to bully me (and not succeeding).

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posted April 20, 2011 08:54 PM            

when i was young, someitmes i bullied. and i was also bullied. but i say this lightly, i have fortunately not been assaulted or consistently bullied. bullying is a broad definition, intimidation on a street can be considered bullying. i know there is some awful bullying out there, fortunately i never attracted much of bullying. i think the reason why is because in school i was always very short and looked young for my age.

the younger i go back, the more confident i was, and i actually stood up against a bully for someone else.

as i got older, i don't know, i got more reserved, less outgoing.

i have Moon in Aries and Sun in Leo, with Leo ASC,with pluto squaring ASC. i have mars sextile pluto, and pluto in the 4th. one might say i may seem like a non bully taking person, but to be honest, i stand up for myself, but not all the time, i respect who is in control, i once took one of my worse case of "bullying" for a couple days from a boy smaller than me by size and height, and he was a year or two younger, and i likely wouldve kicked his ass if i was to fight, most people wondered why i wouldnt touch him back. they was baffled. why? because his older brothers had reputations and i didnt want it! i believe my pluto aspects, and my saturn aspects, and my mars in virgo, is what made me stop.

biggest aspect/energy for taking bullying? PISCES probably, then Virgo, cancer, capricorn, those come to mind. but to be honest, i think any placements will be strong and be weak. including aspects.

what makes a bully?

Pluto/scorpio, capricorn/saturn, virgo. but as i said, all kinds of energy.

i would susepct strong neptune taking bullying.

Mars trine Saturn, Trine Neptune, Sextile Pluto, quincunx Moon, In the 2nd House

1st house Sun trine Uranus

posted April 20, 2011 09:06 PM            

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Originally posted by Nightingale:
I'd have to see your dob to see whether there are strong aspects to the Sun and Mars, however if you do stand up to bullies then you do! I do too, and I have a strong Mars (conjunct Sun) and strong Sun (conjunct Pluto).

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posted April 20, 2011 09:10 PM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
Cancer Mars put up with lot,for a long period; When they snap,better run!
Strong Mars,but also good Sun/Moon aspects= confidence and inner strenght.

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i think there is a big difference between putting up with something and standing up for something, lol

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posted April 21, 2011 03:12 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I have Jupiter conjunct Uranus in Cancer.
Would this give me the ability to not care what people think?

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Wow I never knew you had Jupiter in Cancer. lol so do I...

posted April 21, 2011 03:19 AM            

But I have Pluto(sco) sextile Mars(cap) which helps.

posted April 21, 2011 04:18 AM            

In terms of aspects I believe the quincunx is the common aspect found in the charts of people who have difficulties standing up to bullying or intimidation.

People with lots of sextiles, trines and conjunctions are often very sure of themselves, and rarely have to deal with this. And people with lots of squares usually have a naturally dramatic and aggressive energy, and so they are usually able to repel bullies before they get out of hand. Squares from Saturn can inhibit a person however, and cause extreme shyness or self-doubt, making them vulnerable to bullying. Pluto squares can also be difficult in this way, as they can bring trauma into peoples lives. The same goes for oppositions involving Pluto and Saturn, and even some conjunctions. Apart form this, opposition people are usually good at getting themselves out of potential bullying situations, either through arguing their way out of it, or through negotiation of some kind.

That leaves the quincunx… the quincunx is an aspect about the strain that occurs when two planets are connected through mismatching signs, which can produce awkwardness, and a tendency to be indirect and uncomfortable with yourself. That is not to say that all people who have quincunxes will be bullied. Of course not… but the aspect is common among people that are…

THE QUINCUNX, SELF DOUBT AND BULLYING…

I remember reading an article on an astro site some years ago pointing out that people with a preponderance of quincunxes in their charts are more likely to struggle with self acceptance, and may be subject to feelings of insecurity and shame… making them a target for bullies. The quincunx is an awkward aspect, where two different parts of your nature just don’t fit together very well and they can make a person feel extremely uncomfortable or embarrassed in certain situations, depending on which planets/house rulers are involved in the quincunx…

A theme that goes hand in hand with the quincunx is a feeling of not fitting in right, or not fitting in at all. There is an awkward mismatch involving the areas of life affected by the quincunx. The signs involving quincunxes have nothing in common and yet they are forced to work together, which creates an awkward strain between the planets involved. This inner strain can make a person feel as if they stand out in an odd way, and are ridiculous, or lame somehow. And that feeling of not fitting in or not belonging can be an extremely painful experience. In terms of bullying, the problem with the quincunx is that it can cause a person to feel as if they are unable to defend themselves during confrontations with others. This is because they already have so much inner turmoil and insecurity of their own, that they just want to run form the situation, and can't find it in themselves to object to bad treatment as confidently as is needed to fend off bullies. The quincunx can be just as tormented as a square. But unlike the square it is indirect in nature and tends more towards shame, and an avoidance of difficult issues. It’s this indirectness/and avoidance prone tendency of the quincunx that makes it hard for a quincunx person to be assertive. This can lead to a kind of ‘cat and mouse game’ involving a bully and the quincunx person, where the quincunx person simply tries to stay out of the bully's way and seems nervous or flustered when confronted. A person with a ‘non-evolved’ quincunx may simply crumble in the face of teasing, because they may in part actually agree with the negative things implied about them. And this is a pity… because the quincunx also can actually bestow some amazing gifts…

The positive side of the quincunx is that it can eventually propel a person to became quite expert at solving problems with respect to the planets/house rulers involved in the quincunx. Going through a plethora of awkward and painful experiences causes a person to constantly make adjustments to themselves, their routines, and their behaviors until they finally learn the most effective ways tackle their issues. People with evolved quincunxes usually have some area of life in which they have developed a sophisticated understanding. This is because they have experienced all the ins and outs of it, know all the things that can go wrong, and have developed creative ways of dealing with these scenarios. Quincunxes tend to make people very self-aware as they are often constantly reexamining themselves and their progress…. Quincunxes are like that nerdy dork in high school that grows up to be a millionaire, or the class weirdo misfit that winds up being a rock star…

THE QUINCUNX, BULLYING, AND VIRGO AND SCORPIO

The quincunx is associated with the signs Virgo and Scorpio and the themes of these signs often show up when a quincunx is in action. The quincunx has to do with constant adjustment due to mismatching circumstances, and tends to send people on an on-going search for perfection. This is akin to Virgo’s penchant for perfection, and also with Virgo’s connection with health/body issues. As we all know, there are plenty of health/body issues that may cause discomfort, shame, insecurity or extreme shyness…

For example, a teen struggles with acne which causes her embarrassment among her classmates, someone with indigestion in a quiet room starts getting belly rumbles, you develop an ugly rash in a visible place right before a big outing, bad breath, passing gas in an elevator, having tourettes syndrome, a very prominent mole on your face, having weight issues, or even something as simple as a mismatched outfit that causes talk among you’re peers… often when you speak with people who have experienced bullying, the bullying involved making fun of some aspect of the person’s physical being/functioning that made them feel embarrassed or uncomfortable… and somehow stood out to others as being odd.

The quincunx may often lead a person to be so disturbed about whatever embarrassing physical issue that they may have, that they become determined to solve the problem. The gift that comes from the Virgo part of the quincunx is progress and success developed through a process of trial and error.

The Scorpioic aspect of the quincunx is just as you would expect. It has to do with uncomfortable interpersonal undertones that cause tension, and can periodically erupt into outright bulling behavior against a subject with a quincunx. This often involves things like inappropriate sexual vibes, sexual harassment, and the ostracism or humiliation of the quincunx person due to jealousy or resentment…

For example, a very pretty teenage girl becomes quite…err… developed at an early age. She is then subsequently harassed by certain boys in her school who make obscene gestures at her, and ‘whoop’ at her whenever they pass her in the hall. Her female peers become jealous of the attention she is getting (even though it is negative) and start ostracizing her, and making fun of her behind her back…

Another thing you may find in connection with a Scorpionic quincunx in terms of bullying is intimidation used as a form of manipulation or power play. In cases like this the perpetrator of the bullying sees the quincunx person as having a weakness (self doubt, shame, shyness) and knows that they will not be able to confidently defend themselves, so they use overpowering them as a way to gain a sense of self empowerment. This can often occur in competitive situations where belittling someone else makes others feel as if they are ‘ahead of the game’, or think that at least they a better then ‘such and such’ (the quincunx person).

However the Scorpionc part of the quincunx also comes with a gift, despite all the horrendous possibilities listed above. Going through a series of awkward or painful interpersonal experiences, often causes a quincunx person to become a very shrewd reader of other people, and these people can have amazing perceptiveness and can spot trouble/ difficult people coming from a mile away. People with evolved quincunxes have often developed quite a talent for avoiding trouble, and strategically dealing with ‘difficult’ people, without the ‘difficult’ person even realizing that they’ve been ‘worked’ buy the quincunx person. Another gift that comes with the Scorpionic part of the quincunx is a fascinating type of charisma or sex appeal. Quincunx people, especially evolved quincunx people that have come to grips with their issues, often have an interesting mesmerizing quality about them, as if they have a depth to them that beckons to be explored. Also, evolved quincunx people can actually be quite charming, as they have learned through experience what to do and what not to do in certain situations. Their charm comes from deep awareness and perceptivity.

THE QUINCUNX… BETTER LATER IN LIFE…

As you can guess, the quincunx has a lot to do with the struggle for self-acceptance, and implies that a person may have a lot to learn while developing new skills for dealing with awkward/embarrassing situations, especially with things like bullying. Most of the pain and difficulty with this aspect is experienced earlier in life, but eventually most quincunx people are able to get a handle on their issues and are often quite successful in life. Like the square the quincunx inspires a person to make changes in order to improve their lives. However unlike a square, the quincunx is not drastic and dramatic in it’s movements, but rather it is subtle and careful, and yet incessant in how it achieves progress.