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RMChex
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posted May 03, 2011 06:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RMChex     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi,

As per my introduction thread, http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum23/HTML/000261.html , I love Linda's books. Like so many others on here, I find her so insightful and her writing style just draws me in. Her book, Sun Signs, is my main inspiration for learning more about astrology and I have been studying it on and off for many years.

Now, as I am trying to learn more about reading whole charts rather than just a Sun Sign, I'm finding it more difficult to believe in astrology. Half of the descriptions for planet positions and chart aspects just seem so generic and not really me.

Then I pick up Linda's book again, and it cannot possibly be coincidence because it is so accurate for me, my friends and family.

How can Linda's Sun Sign descriptions be SO SO SO spot on, yet other descriptions just 'not' at all.

Anyone else ever find themselves in this dilemma of belief?

Thanks
Rachel

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posted May 03, 2011 06:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Linda had Spiritual Guidance and her heart was pure. Words from such positive people are blessed with the power of Truth.

Plus, the Sun Sign is nearly 50% of your traits. All other aspects work in far smaller segments, and are not active all the time. An aspect may hold true only during a repeat during a transit.

Numerology and Name Lexigrams have more value than aspects if you consider a description of Self at all times.

Angles, aspects and other descriptions also vary too much based on the house position and so many other factors. Sometimes a "singleton" gives more meaning, sometimes the planet aspecting Ascendant gives more meaning.

Take all this one step at a time, just a mastery of Sun, Ascendant and Moon is sufficient to have a wholesome Self Knowledge using Astrology. You get the meat. All other things are assorted spices.

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RMChex
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posted May 03, 2011 08:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RMChex     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for replying iQ...

My Moon is one of the planets that just doesn't seem to fit with me at all

My Ascendant is unaspected, which is frustrating! In fact, my chart doesn't have that many aspects in it at all, it is quite a 'boring' chart in many ways, quite average.

But, I have found the same when I'm doing charts for friends and family, the other planets just don't seem to fit very well. I don't know how the sun can have so much more influence than the others, from a science point of view it confuses me. (but like I said I cannot deny the accuracy of Linda's Sun Sign descriptions)

Rachel x

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posted May 03, 2011 09:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SmilingHeart     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's funny that you feel this way. For me it is exactly the opposite. More I learn about the other aspects in the chart, the more I believe in astrology. I always felt that the Sun Signs alone were so inaccurate. When you finally look at the whole chart it just seems like the complexity of the self is finally described. I find Sun Signs alone so unsatisfying because the people of one Sun Sign can be so different.

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posted May 03, 2011 09:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RMChex     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi SmilingHeart (what a lovely username by the way!)

I thought that's how I would feel... I've always been so sceptical about the 'horoscopes' in the newspapers, I assumed I would feel the same way about sun signs - but for me, it is just so accurate. Every one of my friends and family are so spot on to Linda's description. I did a test, where I got someone who had no idea when people's birthdays were, but did know them, to guess which person was which and they got every one right.

Its a funny old thing isn't it!

Rachel

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posted May 03, 2011 09:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SmilingHeart     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, Rachel!

Maybe you can post your chart and let me take a look at it? I find it interesting that you identify with your Sun Sign so much. Maybe the missing of aspects makes you more stereotypical?
My families and friends charts are full of aspects, singletons etc. Things like that alter your Sun Sign characteristics very much!

Also I don't believe that the Sun Sign is 50% of your character. I know people who are like their Moon Sign or Mars Sign most of the time. My mother is the archetype of an Aries but her Sun Sign is Pisces (Moon in Aries). It really depends....

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RMChex
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posted May 03, 2011 10:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RMChex     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hiya,

I hadn't posted my chart until now, partly because I don't want anyone to think I just want all my work done for me - but partly because it gives a lot away about me, something I am not used to doing ha ha. I'm good at asking questions without ever having to answer them, lol. That said, I'd be really grateful for you looking at it - its always interesting to hear about your self isn't it, particularly when I don't identify with some bits! Here we are....

Chart:

Details:

Thanks again,
Rachel

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SmilingHeart
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posted May 03, 2011 01:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SmilingHeart     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey, I will look at your chart when I'm back from work!

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posted May 04, 2011 08:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SmilingHeart     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, Rachel! What a chart :-0

Now I see why you identify so much with your sun sign.
Sun, Mercury and Uranus in the 8th house (the house of Scorpio) in Scorpio!
Scorpio is always very dominant in the chart. Alot of people with Scorpio Moons or Mars identify with it, too.

Moon in Capricorn....I know a woman who is a Scorpio with Capricorn Moon, very focused, hard-working. Does not easily show her feelings.

Venus in Virgo...I have this one too. Yes, we're quite picky. But not because we think we're better than most people, we just want relationships to work on the long run. It's a practical approach.

Okay, before I look into house positions and other things in your chart, I need to reread some things first. I'm quite new to astrology, too.

I hope that this is ok for now

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posted May 04, 2011 08:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RMChex     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hiya

Thanks for looking at it, its interesting that there might be a reason I identify so much with my sun sign...

What's interesting is that I think one of the aspects or planets says I'm career-oriented and a hard worker, dutiful etc... but I'm so not lol. I'm the laziest person on the planet, unless I enjoy it and want to do it of course. I have no interested in careers or being a boss etc at all, I'm quite happy with an easy life - preferably completely provided for, and ideally I'd have lots of personal staff like cleaner, butler, chauffer, etc.

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posted May 04, 2011 09:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ecomat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually that book is a huge disappointment for me.
But I wouldn't even bother explaining it... no use.

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posted May 04, 2011 11:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RMChex     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Really ecomat?

How so? I know you said there's no point explaining it, and if you're sure then ok, but I'm up for listening if you want to explain. I won't judge, I promise.

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posted May 05, 2011 12:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ecomat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by RMChex:
Really ecomat?

How so? I know you said there's no point explaining it, and if you're sure then ok, but I'm up for listening if you want to explain. I won't judge, I promise.


Thanks. But go ahead if you like

It's the same old story - I always long for a description that actually describes ME. I never seem to get it and I'm always disappointed.
I mean look at that book: to every sign she has good words, but somehow the scorpio chapter felt downright odd. I identify with a lot of what's said in the book about OTHER signs though. Must be my sun in the 12th, I wonder? (See, I learn some )
I feel a bit better about it since I realised it's me not being typical rather than the descriptions not being correct.

I don't know if any of these make any sense to you or anyone at all

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posted May 05, 2011 01:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blugrey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I personally like her descriptions of my sign much more in the Love Signs book. There I felt she was dead on.

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posted May 05, 2011 02:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I need a basic astrology book describing all the types. So, I will hopefully get this. What I'm not liking is the way this describes the Sun sign. I'm a firm believer in ASC being personality, so I guess that describing sun signs by personality is invalid.

I don't interpret the nodes, but do think the Jan Spiller book (Astrology for the soul) is an excellent well organised book, that will stay with me, even if I only apply to each ASC/DC combination.

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posted May 05, 2011 02:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RMChex     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Coffee,

I'm still learning so forgive me if I sound ill-educated with this, but I understood that (at a very basic level!) the Sun was the real you, but the Ascendant is how others see you. That is certainly 100% accurate for me....

Have I got this wrong?

Thanks,
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posted May 05, 2011 02:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've been researching how to prove astrology by predicting against the sports results, something that cannot be altered. Predicting by giving someone a reading can be VERY hard to prove. Ok, impossible.

You can look at astrology from two ways, first a planet centred position, where Sun = ego and Mercury = communication. this is how most are taught.

Then you can look at astrology from a house position, where first house is appearance/personality and house 3 is communication.

I look at astrology from a house point of view. The second one.

This is how I see personality...

Your Asc is the mask you wear and comes into action when you first meet (1st house) a something (situation) or someone.

The sign in which the ruler of the ASC (personality) is in tells you what their real personality is like. Just as the Sun would in the old and tired way of doing astrology.

in order to get to this way of thinking, you need to look at astrology from a house point of view, as opposed to a planet point of view.

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posted May 05, 2011 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RMChex     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I see.

Your way fits just as well with me, as the old way. My Sun is in Scorpio, my Asc is in Aquarius, my Uranus is in Scorpio, house 8.

Either way I come back to Scorpio, yes? (If I have understood correctly?) That is possibly why I feel like I fit the Scorpio Sun very well.

Thanks for the insight.

Rachel

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posted May 05, 2011 02:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, goes back to Scorpio.

I'm Aqua rising, with Uranus in Scorpio too.

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posted May 05, 2011 02:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RMChex     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cool

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posted May 05, 2011 02:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm Gem Rising with Mercury in Scorpio.
Thought I'd join.

Ps. Coffee, your system is actually quite interesting.

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posted May 05, 2011 02:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I will start a new thread. Maybe best to leave Linda alone.

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posted May 05, 2011 02:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Coffee:
I will start a new thread. Maybe best to leave Linda alone.

Good idea.
Thanks.

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posted May 05, 2011 04:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Benedict Moon*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In my opinion, its because you can't read seperate placements in isolation...you should be reading them in relation to the placement of your sun primarily since it is your core personality, and then the rest of your chart as a whole. Linda was great because she didn't do cookbook intepretations, while alot of other places....meh.

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posted May 06, 2011 06:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
RMC -

I think I know what the problem is!!!

quote:
hat's interesting is that I think one of the aspects or planets says I'm career-oriented and a hard worker, dutiful etc... but I'm so not lol. I'm the laziest person on the planet, unless I enjoy it and want to do it of course.

Your Capricorn Moon is closely opposite Cancer Mars.
I was saying on the "Magnetism" thread - I don’t really agree that the 7th house leads to projection.. BUT I do think oppositions lead to projection. This has been my experience.

The only opposition in my chart is Taurus Venus opposite Scorpio Pluto. For years I was behaving in a way that is JUST Venusian and ignoring my Pluto side. I attracted men - one in particular that was very Plutonian... as a result of my behaviour. It was like he balanced the opposition for me.
In time after the negative experiences we went through ^^
I realized I need to own up to my own Pluto.

Maybe you associate so much with Cancer Mars -- that you neglect your Moon -- or you project it.
Do you attract people who are *very* organised etc (and maybe on the cold side emotionally).. like the Cappy description?

As I told you I have both Moon and Mars in Capricorn. I relate to both descriptions very much so. For instance, I've always been very career-oriented and work always comes first, play second! But neither of these planets is opposite *anything*.
They make mostly positive aspects.

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