posted May 05, 2011 10:21 AM            

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Originally posted by stillatlarge:
You are clueless, gullible, hopelessly naive and I can't believe I'm even engaging at this point.

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Hi,

Who are you addressing here? It is hard to tell because you haven't quoted anything. Mine was the last reply, so if it is directed at me then please refrain from calling me clueless, gullible and hopelessly naive. You may think my view of this topic is wrong but you don't know me as a person enough to judge me so.

Many thanks,
Rachel

posted May 05, 2011 10:29 AM            

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Originally posted by stillatlarge:
He was still trying to act as if he was joking or that he was testing her at that point. Had she not gone along, he would've fell back on that and acted as if it she was being paranoid. The point is he WOULDN"T have continued it and she would never have known if he was the kind of sleazebag that would share her with another guy had she not appeared to take him up on it. You are clueless, gullible, hopelessly naive and I can't believe I'm even engaging at this point.

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It's funny you're inferring all of this because she never even went into that level of detail in her story and you're seriously adding onto his character when I was just addressing the bare minimum of the situation that was presented - the fact he's an idiot and regardless of that she had a major overreaction.

posted May 05, 2011 10:32 AM            

Two guys want to have a male weekend surfing or whatever.
She wasn't going to see him anyway.
But then she decides to go along. He doesn't seem too keen.
So she turns up anyway. Then it's a bit of "I know it was supposed to be a boys weekend but now I'm here I want to be the centre of attention".
Which I think would explain Mr Aqua's fixation on the computer screen as he was probably now feeling like a third wheel.

Then?? The boyfriend (who has possibly been drinking asks if she's horny) albeit she had brought up the topic.
I agree that was rude, in front of the friend, rather like rocking up uninvited on somebody's free time.
But nevertheless....she goes off like a bottle of pop, exposes her breasts, agrees to every man's fantasy which would be a threesome, takes the other guy upstairs (the guy who hasn't had sex for yonks) lies on him on the bed, shouts at the boyfriend to "Go go go it's just him I want" then tells the poor sex starved bloke to go away because it was all a game.

Then?? Goes back downstairs along with Aqua and his erection, rants at the boyfriend, punches him and is now suffering from mortally wounded feelings herself?

Is that about it?

Shall I tell you what I think? You did ask.

I think you were annoyed when he decided to have a weekend away. Even though he wasn't seeing you, it annoyed you that he had found something else to do.
So you decided to crash the party.
Then you decided to test whether you had greater power than the friend over his attention.
When he responded favourably you decided to really mess with his head and see how much power you actually had.
But as often happens and as Benedict Moon pointed out, the game began to play you.
You decided to involve the unwitting Aquarian in this to see how far this would go.

Who is going to stop first? Obviously not you.
Did you expect the boyfriend to leap up, beat his chest and roar
"Never my love, never will I share you with another!
Then you obviously do not understand male sexuality at all.
It is not the same as yours rest assured.

This all blew up in your face and now you're crying Booh...bloody...hoo

Unless I am very wide of the mark this is what happened.
Stop whinging. You are very lucky it didn't turn out any nastier than that.

posted May 05, 2011 10:53 AM            

I really try to see every side you know...and on my own it seems I can't think clearly about this as I end up in a whirlpool of emotions (hate/anger, yes to Pisces - and I know that's not very healthy)
You should say; well, you've taken your revenge, aren't you relieved now?
Well yes, in a way I was or am but when I start thinking again.. welcome whirlpool!
So, I really appreciate all of your words!
(included Bunnies - you've a point)

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Uh, no, Dude , had she "been upfront" he would have crawfished and she would have been left to wonder from now on. There would have been that constant nagging doubt so she had to seize the moment when it presented itself. After 'that moment' his guard would have been up. She KNOWS now so his mind game was blown.

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Well yes, this is exactly what I felt.
I know I couldn't have been acted differently ... a fact.

Betty Boop, in a way I envy you (and probably some others) because.. life would be so much easier with a more light-hearted look at it .. I even remember your hard Venus/Pluto aspect natally now and then I think.. wow, a Scorp-Moon must be more worse, or it must be my Pluto right on my S/M midpoint,.. but well, maybe your Mars/Neptune aspect is more meaningful when it comes to this subject, after all Venus is more about love and Mars about the physical side,.. and my Mars/NN is only in square with my Scorp-Moon, so that's also an experience on a more, let's say, personal level. As if you can't think so widely on this as Mars/Neptune can..

Now I'm a bit curious about others with a Mars/Neptune aspect... how do they look at this? Or well, maybe a stressful Sun/Neptune?
Besides a Sun/Neptune square (3*) Pisces has also a Mars/Neptune square but the orb is too wide I guess, 11*. (his Sun/Mars square = 8,5*). That's all a bit too wide for a T-square..

posted May 05, 2011 04:25 PM            

He earns as much as his friend but his friend can manage his money a bit better.. also no pot-addiction for example.

Later..

posted May 05, 2011 04:44 PM            

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I felt pisces was pretty horny and in a playful way he told me that I was his lust-object, and I answered playfully back; no I'm not.. how can you say I'm an object? etc.

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and suddenly pisces asked me (in front of his friend); Are you horny?

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Naturally mir could have reacted differently but the way I read it was that he brought it up first. *shrugs*

posted May 05, 2011 07:23 PM            

I understaned what you say

but look what happened...you almost slept with two guys because you were bla bla bal

the rest is irrelevant the action was done..

not judging, personaly i want to expand into this horizon of adult relationships because i think having only one partner is limiting and boring...

posted May 06, 2011 05:06 AM            

I'm a woman, AWARE that I'am a woman, AWARE that I'm NOT a man, AWARE of the biological & emotional differences between them and because I'm extremely aware of all that.. the humiliation I felt when he started was HUGE!

posted May 06, 2011 06:21 PM            

Mir - You don’t seem well-matched sexually. You come across as traditional and I think you see sex as “making love”. He, on the other hand, is sexually experimental and can have sex just for the sake of the experience.

There are traditional men out there and men who would react with outrage at the thought of Pisces guys behaviour. There are men who would say: “What??? You and my best friend?? I’d shoot you both!”. I’d venture to say these men would be strong in Taurus/Scorpio and/or Leo.
Pisces is a very fluid and mutable sign. You can’t pin them down to things, not sexually and not in other areas. With the added Aquarius – this guy doesn’t really like tradition. He prefers to rebel against it.

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I even remember your hard Venus/Pluto aspect natally now and then I think.. wow, a Scorp-Moon must be more worse, or it must be my Pluto right on my S/M midpoint,.. but well, maybe your Mars/Neptune aspect is more meaningful when it comes to this subject, after all Venus is more about love and Mars about the physical side

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posted May 06, 2011 07:01 PM            

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Originally posted by stillatlarge:
What are you talking about "something she couldn't finish"? HE started. SHE finished it.
You don't speak for ALL males,I assure you.

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And neither do you. Truth is if you're egging on this type of game playing than you must be either 12 years old or just very emotionally immature. And if you really think that every guy stays tried and traditional...especially under the influence of drugs or alcohol...then you really need to get out more.

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Mir - You don’t seem well-matched sexually. You come across as traditional and I think you see sex as “making love”. He, on the other hand, is sexually experimental and can have sex just for the sake of the experience.

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That seems to be the gist of it to me. Because to me its not really much to get worked up over since all parties technically consented (even if there was deception). Or maybe I've just been in college too long....or maybe its my mutable Gemini Venus. Sexuality is just kind of blurry to me now.

posted May 06, 2011 08:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Benedict Moon*:
quote:Originally posted by stillatlarge:
What are you talking about "something she couldn't finish"? HE started. SHE finished it.
You don't speak for ALL males,I assure you.

And neither do you. Truth is if you're egging on this type of game playing than you must be either 12 years old or just very emotionally immature. And if you really think that every guy stays tried and traditional...especially under the influence of drugs or alcohol...then you really need to get out more.

quote:Mir - You don’t seem well-matched sexually. You come across as traditional and I think you see sex as “making love”. He, on the other hand, is sexually experimental and can have sex just for the sake of the experience.

That seems to be the gist of it to me. Because to me its not really much to get worked up over since all parties technically consented (even if there was deception). Or maybe I've just been in college too long....or maybe its my mutable Gemini Venus. Sexuality is just kind of blurry to me now.

Anyways, have yall talked since this incident? There seems to be alot of issues to get out on the table.

That seems to be the gist of it to me. Because to me its not really much to get worked up over since all parties technically consented (even if there was deception). Or maybe I've just been in college too long....or maybe its my mutable Gemini Venus. Sexuality is just kind of blurry to me now.

Anyways, have yall talked since this incident? There seems to be alot of issues to get out on the table.

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posted May 06, 2011 08:45 PM            

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quote:Originally posted by stillatlarge:
What are you talking about "something she couldn't finish"? HE started. SHE finished it.
You don't speak for ALL males,I assure you.

And neither do you. Truth is if you're egging on this type of game playing than you must be either 12 years old or just very emotionally immature. And if you really think that every guy stays tried and traditional...especially under the influence of drugs or alcohol...then you really need to get out more.

quote:Mir - You don’t seem well-matched sexually. You come across as traditional and I think you see sex as “making love”. He, on the other hand, is sexually experimental and can have sex just for the sake of the experience.

That seems to be the gist of it to me. Because to me its not really much to get worked up over since all parties technically consented (even if there was deception). Or maybe I've just been in college too long....or maybe its my mutable Gemini Venus. Sexuality is just kind of blurry to me now.

Anyways, have yall talked since this incident? There seems to be alot of issues to get out on the table.

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posted May 06, 2011 08:56 PM            

And if you even READ any of the other posts you would've have got through your thick skull by now that no one was telling her to look the other way, but rather to BE UPFRONT about it. That seems to be the difference between you and the rest of us, we have realized by now that we don't have to be passive aggressive to get results. Its called being an ADULT and direct about what blatantly offends you instead of playing games like a f#cking preteen. You may think you're helping the OP but you really aren't with this vicious cycle you're endorsing.

And anyways, it was HIS weekend away that she crashed. If this was a stable and balanced relationship, that wouldn't have happened which is why I agree that they have alot of issues they need to sort out on the table or just split.

posted May 06, 2011 09:49 PM            

OK,
so Pisces Guy = Puppy PooP!

Everyone feel better?

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posted May 07, 2011 06:44 PM            

It's quite clear from the beginning that he didn't want to be dragged into you and your Pisces's sex life.

I think the situation embarrased/humilited him way way way more than it did you, because after all he tried his hardest to ignore you two and let you two figure it out.

That and when someone is under the influence their thinking/decision making maybe warped or emotionally charged..(Pisces)..so rather he was serious or not..is up in the air so it would be a good idea to talk to him about it when he's sober.

And maybe discuss this situation with your Pisces further more to come to some understanding between eachother about your sex lives.

posted May 08, 2011 09:40 AM            

BB yes lol, blame him for just 'being himself' is what I also got in mind a few times.. but it was no more or less than a brief thought.

And yes Stillatlarge, you describe what I feel and how I am,.. although in a way we're or seem to be traditional or even immature we also have a drive to 'rebel' against the sexualisation of society or the harm being done to woman by it.. and this can also resound pretty extreme in our personal life. I think it's the effect of our Aqua-influence.. (besides our 50% proud Leo-being). So also to me the act is not an effect of immaturity but more of maturity, wisdom and full consciousness (don't underestimate a rebel ) because I really can't imagine acting-like-that when I was much younger.. it wouldn't have made me so angry then and I wouldn't have felt the humiliation that much, something like that!

Okay, back to the present....

We talked, finally. Me & Pisces.

It's really really crazy you know..
we had a REAL talk (very rare) and I think... it's due to all of you here because it got more worse in my head when thinking/talking about it again & again.
So I HAD to talk it over with him, and not just a talk, but a REAL talk... I told him on the phone how I was going to get crazy if we would postpone our talk even till the day after. So he came to me...

What's the case?
Well, it was not only ME being FLABBERGASTED by the way he acted, he felt exactly the same about me!
He said it was like he didn't know me at all (exactly what I felt about him) when I pulled down my shirt in front of his friend.. (he really couldn't remember he started)
And at that point he just wanted to see if I probably wanted to have sex with his friend and how far I was able to go (the whole way being as perplexed as I was!).. and yes he really thought something like; okay, if the both of you truly want it.. then I will allow it but he was almost sure if something between us had happened or if he had seen me & friend *** together he would have ran away in madness and that it would have destructed not only *us* but also their friendship.
He also said that my limit was reached earlier than his. (?)
Always a little too far across the line is how he also described himself..

And yes I had my doubts if he was prob. also 'playing' some kind of game.. he's asc-Leo (on my Sun) you know..

And now I know even more about that 'man' (with money) .. and that he had a trio/threesome with him and his wife years ago and that this man sort of dragged him into it after pisces had told him in all honesty about another trio he once had (honestly; I thought the world is SICK!!!!) - after that the man fell in love with him..
He described this trio as being disgusting and he felt sort of 'used'. His first trio was less 'disgusting' although it felt not very nice afterwards and he said, well you know I was single for such a long time and under the influence of pot & alcohol ....