posted May 22, 2011 01:14 PM            

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Originally posted by northernlad:
12th house cusp is at the end of scorpio, and pluto is at the beginning of scorpio at the end of the 10th house.

I have sorrow at work? (Being unemployed since september has caused me a great deal of sorrow, i can tell you that much.)

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Ok Northernlad You have the 12th to the 10th like Amowls.Read hers and tell me what you think

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posted May 22, 2011 01:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
OK Your sorrow would be in 8th house matters.
Do you feel you have shut down parts of yourself i.e. repression?
Do you feel like you are not really you, that you are someone who is on the surface while the real you lies beneath the surface.
The 8th house is the house of repression i.e.pushing down your deepest self due to trauma or just delayed development.
The lesson of the 8th house is to "Be oneself" with all the deepest parts integrated.
See my Jung quote.That would sum up the 8th house lessons.
Does this fit?? Please say yea or nay

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i am a very deep person, i have sides to me which no one knows, but then i don't want any1 to see what lies beneath the surface. i can't be "oneself" with all parts integrated.. i just can't

posted May 22, 2011 01:31 PM            

Thank you for posting something positive about that placement. I rarely hear anything good about 6th house moons and capricorn being the moon's fall doesn't help. What you say is true however, I work hard emotionally/spiritually to bring integrity to my activities in daily life. It is impossible for me to be emotionally dishonest.

posted May 22, 2011 01:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
OK Nick
Yours would be the same as the first one I did,Can you relate?

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no, that doesnt really fit me...i usually make sure to be myself when i can, and i behave guarded when i feel i need to

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posted May 22, 2011 01:37 PM            

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On the other hand, I'm also quite disappointed in, and cynical of, the human population in general. That has caused me quite a bit of sorrow because I always think the best of people and often get betrayed by their often selfish reactions.

Out of my friends in general, none have really ever betrayed me. Some haven't listened to my advice no matter what I said, but then I ended the friendship because I don't want friends who don't at least give my advice a chance, especially when they come back afterwards to apologize for not listening and tell me I was actually right.

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Aya- I have the same placement as you, and that's essentially what has happened to me as well.

posted May 22, 2011 01:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Aya_and_baby:
I'm also quite disappointed in, and cynical of, the human population in general. That has caused me quite a bit of sorrow because I always think the best of people and often get betrayed by their often selfish reactions.

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i understand you.
the only difference is that i generally don't think too much good about people. you could say i'm the typical pessimist (although i call myself a realist ): i never expect any good and am pleasantly surprised if it happens. that's actually a very, VERY good feeling for me when someone exceeds my expectations.
it's a shame i'm too.... shy? inhibited? whatewer, to really express that to them. that's why i get along best with the same types - no need to say anything, yet we both know everything.

posted May 22, 2011 01:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rosalind:
[b]Libra on the 12th house cusp and Pluto in Scorpio.
Venus is in 10th. I think this is bad.

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posted May 22, 2011 02:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Benedict Moon*:
Btw, has anyone ever read from this site? Its astro wordplay and basically awesome at helping people to get a better grasp on this.

http://astrofix.net/2010/05/25/ruler-of-the-12th-house-in-houses/

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posted May 22, 2011 02:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Ok Northernlad You have the 12th to the 10th like Amowls.Read hers and tell me what you think

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posted May 22, 2011 03:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Ok Aya your sorrow about humanity could be reflected here.It does seem like you have sorrow with friends ,too,as you talk about dissapointment and then ending the friendship.
Am I right?

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I'm actually quite "cool" about my friendships. I love my friends dearly but I don't exactly miss them when they're gone. I generally don't like it when people mess me about so if a friend does that, they get dumped without warning. I honestly hardly think twice about it and I don't feel too much sorrow with it...

Then again, I see sorrow as a higher octave of disappointment. I feel sorrow when something actually hurts me, but I get disappointed more often than that I feel pain from those disappointments.

But when it comes to humanity in general, I feel quite a lot of sorrow. It really hurts me to see how people treat each other, lie to each other and bend the truth for their own gain. Since the 11th house is a humanitarian house too, that definitely makes sense!

posted May 23, 2011 10:04 AM            

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Originally posted by love being Aries:
i am a very deep person, i have sides to me which no one knows, but then i don't want any1 to see what lies beneath the surface. i can't be "oneself" with all parts integrated.. i just can't

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I hear you. What planets do you have in the 8th house? Do you have any planets in the 12th house?

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posted May 23, 2011 03:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Benedict Moon*:
Sag on the 12th, Jupiter in Taurus/5th. Sorrow through romance...speaks for itself.

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Yes, speaks for itself.Mine is no better--sorrow through committed relationships

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posted May 23, 2011 03:54 PM            

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Originally posted by BeholdAstarte:
i sort of jump back in forth between my 12th house rulers. i have my aries/libra intercepted in the 12th/6th house. so my 12th house cusp is in pisces but my aries is intercepted in there too. everytime i read about the 2 interpretations i can relate with both really well. so ive just excepted that its both.

my neptune is in my 9th house. i would say that mentally i get insecure or feeling confused and that ominous foreboding but i dont have sorrows with traveling, high studies, or my philosphical outlook on life. id say in my earlier years and sometimes now, the feelings of lonelyness and desolation were my deepest sorrows but i know theres a deeper understanding to the connectedness of unity. my mars is actually in my libra intercepted sign in the 6th house. i suppose work stresses me out sometimes but i would consider it sorrow... maybe my pets have given me lots of sorrow from the loss.

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Yes 12th to the 9th would be sorrow in higher studies,religion, philosophy or foreign travel.
Well ,you only deal with the one house ruler of the 12th or I do ,for the mo lol

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posted May 23, 2011 03:55 PM            

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Originally posted by lechien:
mine is Scorpio. whatever that means... i got no clue!

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You have to tell me houses Darlink *slap on hand*

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posted May 23, 2011 03:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Anglerfish:
Libra on the 12th, Venus in cap/3rd cj Saturn. Venus saturn is the bane of my existence.

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Ok Angler
You would find sorrow in communicating -either verbal and /or written.
You may have sorrow with siblings, cars and short journeys,too.
However,I would think you would feel stifled and sorrowful about not being able to communicate the way you would like.
Does that fit?

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posted May 23, 2011 04:59 PM            

I also have Gemini overlapping 12th house and Mercury is conjunct Venus.