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Ami Anne
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posted May 23, 2011 05:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can only answer about definitive house cusps of which there is always only one.If you want to ask about another cusp and house ruler,that would be fine.I am not advanced enough to deal with intercepted houses ,right now
For the 12th house to the 9th house. You will have sorrow in understanding or incorporating spiritual beliefs/religious beliefs or in other 9th house areas such as foreign travel.
Perhaps,you will desire travel or higher education but it will be denied or thwarted,somehow.
Does this fit?

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‎"Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
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SmilingHeart
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posted May 23, 2011 05:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SmilingHeart     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My 12th house is in Leo. My Sun is in the 1st house...
that probably means that I am my greatest sorrow. Great, that's what I need in my life. xD

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Mysticknowflake
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posted May 23, 2011 05:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mysticknowflake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Absolutely to both, family responsibilities came first. Thank you Ami.

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Ami Anne
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posted May 23, 2011 05:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SmilingHeart:
My 12th house is in Leo. My Sun is in the 1st house...
that probably means that I am my greatest sorrow. Great, that's what I need in my life. xD

This is really interesting Smiling Heart. When the 12th or the 8th goes to the 1st--you cannot hide things which most people want to hide.
You wear your sweet ,sensitive spiritual heart on your sleeve. Is that true?

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‎"Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
Jung


He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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Ami Anne
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posted May 23, 2011 05:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Mysticknowflake:
Absolutely to both, family responsibilities came first. Thank you Ami.

You are welcome Mystic

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‎"Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
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He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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SmilingHeart
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posted May 23, 2011 05:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SmilingHeart     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ami Anne:
This is really interesting Smiling Heart. When the 12th or the 8th goes to the 1st--you cannot hide things which most people want to hide.
You wear your sweet ,sensitive spiritual heart on your sleeve. Is that true?


Well, Ami when you say it like that it doesn't sound so bad.
Yes, I think it's true. When i get to a new place (work or college) I always try to create an 'image' but I fail everytime. People see my real self really quickly. Which is exhausting, not everyone needs to see it.

Thank you for your great anwsers Ami! You are so sweet and helpful. <3

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Ami Anne
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posted May 23, 2011 05:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You are so sweet,too Smiling Heart.Thank you for saying that

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‎"Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
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posted May 23, 2011 08:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Anglerfish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Ok Angler
You would find sorrow in communicating -either verbal and /or written.
You may have sorrow with siblings, cars and short journeys,too.
However,I would think you would feel stifled and sorrowful about not being able to communicate the way you would like.
Does that fit?



I have problems with social skills and written communication. I also just find it hard to talk to people.

No siblings (wouldn't want any anyway) , can't drive and short trips just remind me how I hate where I live.

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Betty Boop
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posted May 24, 2011 03:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting! This one does not fit for me, but it could be due to Jupiter's lucky influence in the same house.

The one about the 7th house - did suit me.

What is the name/writer of the book?

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love being Aries
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posted May 24, 2011 08:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for love being Aries     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I hear you. What planets do you have in the 8th house? Do you have any planets in the 12th house?


i have sun and mercury in Aries in 8th house, and nopes, no planets in Leo,12th house

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mel0nfish
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posted May 24, 2011 10:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mel0nfish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have my 12th house ruler in the 6th house! I don't know a lot about the 6th house...

but, at the risk of sounding sad&pessimistic, I feel like i have sorrow EVERYWHERE! but i've got 5 planets in the 12th house so idk if that explains it?

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Ami Anne
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posted May 24, 2011 08:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by love being Aries:
i have sun and mercury in Aries in 8th house, and nopes, no planets in Leo,12th house

OK so you are an 8th house person. You said you are not comfortable with your emotional depth,right?
Well,with sun and Merc in the 8th you must go deep within yourself to reclaim your ego(Sun) and mind(Mercury)
Anything in the 8th house is repressed.In the 12th house it is suppressed which is just a super repression lol
I have Sun,moon and Mercury in the 8th so I know of what I speak lol
One day,you will have to go in and look at what is there--who you are.
I am doing it ,now.It hurts.

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‎"Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
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He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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BlueTopaz124
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posted May 24, 2011 11:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueTopaz124     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The sign on my 12th house is Scorpio, Pluto is in my 9th. Not good for a Sun, Asc, Mars & Jupiter in Sag person.

The things I love to do the most (besides cooking) is TRAVEL and be spiritual/philosophical/connected...so these are going to bring me sorrow...ugh. I'm always planning my next trip. Maybe there's more to it than that.

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posted May 24, 2011 11:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
What sign is on your 12th house cusp? In which house is the planet ruling that sign?
This will show the sphere in life in which you will have sorrow/things feeling like they are full of pain and not working,


Aqua/ Uranus rules H12

Uranus is in H7..
Well my relationships dont really work out.. But Its usually for the best..

Im not sure how to explain it, but I dont really feel sorrow... I mean I get sad, or upset, and have depression times...
BUT idk.. Its not the same..

I wont dwell on it for too long.. (unless its a pisces... lol)
But either way I dont feel the sorrow about him.. Its like oh well its not meant to be...
But yes I was in an emotional spiral, but that was me trying to understand what I was feeling...

I guess confusion, not understanding something is worse for me.. I HAVE to understand.. I just HAVE to know..
When I dont, it makes me crazy.. nutso..

ALTHOUGH LIONESS LEARNED STAY AWAY FROM SECRET RELATIONSHIPS!!!

Even my ex husband was a secret relationship..

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carl
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posted May 24, 2011 11:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for carl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sag is on my 12th house cusp
Jupiter is in the 12H

12th house is the ruler of my 12 house as well

Lots of 12!
Sun in 9H sextile my Jupiter and that is really the only aspect my Jupiter makes with major planets

So what could this mean?

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posted May 25, 2011 04:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for toptops     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My 12 house is in Sag, Jupiter sits in my 12 house...

P.S. Hey Carl, I have just seen you have the same thing in your chart! I wonder what the meaning will be for our placements.

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posted May 25, 2011 04:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Amphitrite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Ami

Another great thread! So my 12th house cusp is cancer, and my virgo moon is technically in my first house, but according to placidus house system it's less than one degree from being in my second house. So I'm not entirely sure if I read that as first or second house. I have a second house stellium anyway with sun, Saturn, Jupiter and Pluto all in there in libra. I feel like my sorrow is found in loneliness and a dysfunctional family.

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Unconquerable
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posted May 25, 2011 05:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unconquerable     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Ami, I love these threads that you've started. Lots of astrological info in them! And as I'm new to Astrology, I find all this info really helpful.
Good work!

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love being Aries
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posted May 25, 2011 05:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for love being Aries     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ami Anne:
OK so you are an 8th house person. You said you are not comfortable with your emotional depth,right?
Well,with sun and Merc in the 8th you must go deep within yourself to reclaim your ego(Sun) and mind(Mercury)
Anything in the 8th house is repressed.In the 12th house it is suppressed which is just a super repression lol
I have Sun,moon and Mercury in the 8th so I know of what I speak lol
One day,you will have to go in and look at what is there--who you are.
I am doing it ,now.It hurts.


m still not gettin it. i mean, how are you doing it? u mean my ego and my mind are repressed? Because m very egoistic, and my mind is sometimes very much repressed. so how to get over it?

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posted May 25, 2011 05:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unconquerable     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok... I have the same thing as Carl and Toptops. I have Capricorn on my 12th house cusp and my Saturn is in the 12th house. So, what does it mean?

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posted May 25, 2011 05:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My experience of the life are that where people can feel most sorrow they also can feel their most happiest moment in the life. I think we should check out our VENUS because I see the most traumatic in peoples life often cause by unhappily love sorrow. People often feel the love sorrow in year....

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