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bethcarliseh
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posted May 30, 2011 10:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bethcarliseh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is there anyway of astrologically knowing in a chart if this is hell? Since Lucifer and Satan rule over this planet and evil seems to go unpunished maybe this is hell. Like this is not the worst dimension of hell but an upper circle of it. So essentially, when Jesus comes back, he is simply coming here to hell to take the people who have learned their lessons out of hell into actual reality where people are normal and caring and stuff. People here are so manipulative and mixed up that it is very possible that we are living in an upper circle of hell.

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Ami Anne
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posted May 30, 2011 10:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To me Beth,you are an on line troll. That is a person coming to hassle and harrass other people .
The advice in these situations is "Don't feed the troll" i.e pay attention to the troll.
That is my sense.I share it for anyone who is interested.


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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
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You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it .
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bethcarliseh
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posted May 30, 2011 10:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bethcarliseh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
To me Beth,you are an on line troll. That is a person coming to hassle and harrass other people .
The advice in these situations is "Don't feed the troll" i.e pay attention to the troll.
That is my sense.I share it for anyone who is interested.


WHAT!? I am not being a troll. I am asking questions that are seriously on my mind. This is what I am talking about. People down here only assume stuff. There is no genuine care or concern.

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posted May 30, 2011 10:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's my opinion of the world...

People always ask why is there evil, why is there bad..

Well you cant have good without evil...

If everything was "good" what would make it good? It would just be normal. How would anyone know it was good??

How do you know what good is? When you see/hear/experience bad, you appreciate the good much more...
It gives you faith and hope.. It gives you a reason to be good..

When ever I go through tough times.. I know I have to go through it for what ever reason, so I can appreciate the "good" that is coming my way.. I know it will just be around the corner, as soon as I learn what I needed to learn....

Dont fight the bad, accept it, and learn from it...

I think our karma/life purpose (judgments) we be on how we handle the bad.. Did we choose to learn from it, and change or did we go into depression, get into drugs, steal.. Whatever to try to make the problem go away...

Which of course only brings more problems...

Acceptance is the key!

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posted May 30, 2011 11:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for northernlad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, hell is my bedroom in this disgusting overly-humid mucky heat with a crappy internet connection.

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carl
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posted May 30, 2011 11:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for carl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This topic does not strike me as troll like. If these are the kind of posts made, I would not use that label. I have found very few trolls here, actually and it seems to be a troll free zone mostly.

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bethcarliseh
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posted May 30, 2011 11:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bethcarliseh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Carl

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bethcarliseh
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posted May 30, 2011 11:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bethcarliseh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lioness:
Here's my opinion of the world...

People always ask why is there evil, why is there bad..

Well you cant have good without evil...

If everything was "good" what would make it good? It would just be normal. How would anyone know it was good??

How do you know what good is? When you see/hear/experience bad, you appreciate the good much more...
It gives you faith and hope.. It gives you a reason to be good..

When ever I go through tough times.. I know I have to go through it for what ever reason, so I can appreciate the "good" that is coming my way.. I know it will just be around the corner, as soon as I learn what I needed to learn....

Dont fight the bad, accept it, and learn from it...

I think our karma/life purpose (judgments) we be on how we handle the bad.. Did we choose to learn from it, and change or did we go into depression, get into drugs, steal.. Whatever to try to make the problem go away...

Which of course only brings more problems...

Acceptance is the key!


Yeah but I don't really see good. People tell me that there is good in the world but I don't really see it. The only "good" I see is when someone is unconsciously seeking a positive response from committing a good act. No one I have met, cares, or does Good simply because it is in their nature or heart to do so.

For me, I will help someone almost by instinct. I don't think of the rewards it will bring. I use help someone because that it is my initial reaction. For me, I will tell people the truth, I have no means to deceive them but for other people their whole interaction with someone is finding ways to lie or deceive them, just to see what they can get out of them. I don't see this in others though.

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posted May 31, 2011 12:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Theres good around you, you have to open your eyes to it, and accept it...

Handle the bad, learn from it.. accept it.. good will come... Positive thoughts!

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Mysticknowflake
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posted May 31, 2011 04:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mysticknowflake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I feel sorry that your existence is as such, but I have met amazingly caring and good people and quite a few are right here on this forum. You need to change your perception of the world, as you will attract, what you perceive. It is really quite simple, humans make it complicated.

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posted May 31, 2011 06:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for crabbypatty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with Mysticknowflake. I personally know some genuinely good people who will help others in need without being asked to, and to the bitter end, without pay and many times without public recognition. When I meet these people, it makes me do a figurative double-take... because they are quite rare. But, still, they do exist. And, yes, some are on this forum.

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posted May 31, 2011 07:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Earth is not Hell at all. Hell is the Lower Astral Dimension, where plenty of penances are needed before one gets a chance to become human again.

As Crabbypatty mentioned, there are some stellar people in this planet.

1. James Harrisson. His blood saved 2 million babies. We hear about dozens of murderers but this one man's light obliterates their dark deeds.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Harrison_(blood_donor)

2. Dr MC Modi.
Has performed close to 600,000 Eye Surgeries.
Surely he is a better Human Being than any Pope, Priest, Imam, Rabbi, Mufti, Bible Thumper, Quran Thumper that ever existed. http://archive.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/dec202005/spectrum1291520051219.asp

What is a fitting reward for this Angel? He might even refuse the 7 heavens but will accept a youthful body so that he can do many millions of more free cataract surgeries. These are the men that make God feel Joy at making Man.

Look at his thoughts: "For me, my patient is my god, the operating room is my temple and my instruments are my prayer. My work has therefore been my pilgrimage. "

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mir
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posted May 31, 2011 08:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When I was fifteen years old I had a talk with a tramp, just on a bench in a park.
He said that the earth is the hell and he really touched me with his words as I felt a deep wisdom of life in it.

Now, 25 years later, I know what he rightly meant to say..

And this isn't only because I discovered the lie of love yesterday for the hundredth time, it's just that you die every time a little more.. opposed to becoming stronger after every fall.

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Ami Anne
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posted May 31, 2011 08:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mir:
When I was fifteen years old I had a talk with a tramp, just on a bench in a park.
He said that the earth is the hell and he really touched me with his words as I felt a deep wisdom of life in it.

Now, 25 years later, I know what he rightly meant to say..

And this isn't only because I discovered the lie of love yesterday for the hundredth time, it's just that you die every time a little more.. opposed to becoming stronger after every fall.


I am sorry you are hurting Darling,I understand your words so well

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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
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You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it .
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Coffee
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posted May 31, 2011 09:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think Ami gets this....

People can be taken over by others, likely aliens, in order to keep people away from thinking too much, which also means thinking about the bad things that can happen. These aliens can change a persons mind on a person, just like that. Ami needs to know this as her reply seemed a bit illogical, so hopefully you don't take it out on me, Ami, as I wouldn't want our friendship to be ruined. Yes, I know that it doesn't happen all the time, but what you need to know is that wherever I go, bad people follow, and wherever I go bad people take over others in order to control others. Or maybe that is my ego talking because that just couldn't be possible, right?

I don't believe this is hell at all. It's just that a lot of people see that the bad ones seem more powerful than the good ones. I disagree. The ones at the top of society, rich people, important people, and celebrities (who people listen to) are coerced and bullied into doing the deeds of the bad people because they can get into that persons dark side and see what they really want...money, recognition etc I wouldn't mind that too.

They just seem like they're winning because they are the people we all look up to for whatever reason. There are plenty of ignorant people who have no idea what goes on, and many of them are good. The problem for the good side is that not many are aware of this bad thing in society, which makes the fight even harder. The ones we look up to are (star wars theme) swayed by the dark side out of need for things which they should never want, or by survival instinct.

I can only guess that house 1 is good, while house 7 is bad. A persons death can be seen by looking at house 12, so maybe there is something along those lines. Maybe 12 is heaven (spiritual place of good) while 6 is hell (spiritual place of bad)

One last thing to think about....

Heaven is said to be up there....MC
Hell is supposed to be a place down there....IC.

Though I'm not sure which is north and which is south, so the roles could be reversed.

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posted May 31, 2011 02:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
More needs to be said on this as many over the world feel like this. Like bad is too strong for good. Not many think of the afterlife either. It's good to think of that then you follow the right path to your ultimate goal.

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posted May 31, 2011 02:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Ami needs to know this as her reply seemed a bit illogical, so hopefully you don't take it out on me, Ami, as I wouldn't want our friendship to be ruined.

I won't take it out on you if you won't take it out on me

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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
Jung
You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it .
Jesus

He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
Proverbs

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posted May 31, 2011 02:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Coffee:

People can be taken over by others, likely aliens, in order to keep people away from thinking too much, which also means thinking about the bad things that can happen. These aliens can change a persons mind on a person, just like that. Ami needs to know this as her reply seemed a bit illogical, so hopefully you don't take it out on me, Ami, as I wouldn't want our friendship to be ruined. Yes, I know that it doesn't happen all the time, but what you need to know is that wherever I go, bad people follow, and wherever I go bad people take over others in order to control others. Or maybe that is my ego talking because that just couldn't be possible, right?


I wonder why people shout at me when I talk about people being 'taken over' and 'possessed'
I wonder why I find invisible snakes on me when I say things like this and as soon as I research 'the illuminati'

It takes a completely crazy person to think that 'invisible SNAKES' are on them. Either telling the truth, halfway, or completely nuts and loopy.

Naturally you'd think it's because they don't want this little secret getting out, for fear of what people may do or know, and also for the fear it would not enable the victim to be controlled as they seem hell bent on controlling Me. I know this is hard to believe, but when you talk astrology and someone who claims to predict the sports results and lots of things astrology, you'd imagine the important and powerful people of the world to be very interested in a subject matter like that, and not wanting it to get out to the public at large. But it's fine to be done in the secret societies, just not in public. Believe it!

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posted June 01, 2011 09:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aya_and_baby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Coffee:
I wonder why people shout at me when I talk about people being 'taken over' and 'possessed'
I wonder why I find invisible snakes on me when I say things like this and as soon as I research 'the illuminati'

It takes a completely crazy person to think that 'invisible SNAKES' are on them.


I hate to say this Coffee, but when you say things such as that, you remind me immediately of my uncle, who is certified schizophrenic. Contrary to whether or not someone is "posessed by aliens", schizophrenia can actually be proven, since a genetic marker for it has been found. Apart from that, there are also non-genetic causes which schizophrenia has been traced back to. Drugs, for example.


So honestly, and I don't mean this in a bad way, I just think it's more likely that you are having psychoses when you are researching "illuminati" (those can be induced by such triggers), than that those invisible snakes are actually there... Call me a sceptic or a cynic if you like, but that is the impression that I get.

I'm sorry.

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posted June 01, 2011 09:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Psychosis is the label they have put on me. No, I expected that response. How's my astrology? I guess it's pretty good especially for people with Psychosis.

There are many people who do not want to know as they don't want to believe it can happen. Denial from others is something I face everyday.

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posted June 01, 2011 09:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for crabbypatty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted June 01, 2011 09:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by crabbypatty:
Coffee, I feel for you and I have lived long enough to know that there are things I don't know and that all things are possible in this 'world' of ours. And without knowing you face to face, I wouldn't even think to diagnose you as one thing or another. Not that I have any professional training anyway. I am not so sure that all similar events fall under the umbrella of schizophrenia. I guess what I am saying is that there is a distinct possibility you ARE under attack and that the only question is who is behind it and how to stop it. Can I offer you some help maybe? I have an idea. My email is jbrenner56@yahoo.com.

Thanks. I'm getting some help of some VERY important people, who have not been taken over by an alien (see couple of posts above, Aya)

I will post you an email from my astrological themed e-mail addresss.

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posted June 01, 2011 10:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aya_and_baby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Coffee:
(see couple of posts above, Aya)


Seriously, name-calling and pointing fingers is not at the order here. I just shared my opinion.


At least now I know where I stand when I say something that you don't agree with...

And no, I'm no alien, nor am I taken over by one. If people who are taken over by aliens cannot, by definition, think about the pressing matters of life then you're barking up the wrong tree. I am perfectly capable of doing so and do so almost 24/7. I questions things every step of the way that others take for granted. In fact, I question everything, even myself.

But if you're happy with pointing fingers at me, please do. I'm used to that. I'm used to seeing people pointing fingers at others while they should be doing more introspection.

I am sorry for the rant, but you have annoyed me quite a bit now, especially for making assumptions like that.

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posted June 01, 2011 10:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aya_and_baby:
And no, I'm no alien, nor am I taken over by one.
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How do you know if you're taken over by an alien?
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posted June 01, 2011 10:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have never known anyone with Schizophrenia so I can't comment on that. I have known people with all sorts of things from neurotics to sociopaths to borderlines.
In my experience, there has never been a very neurotic person and/or a psychotic person with a consistently great sense of humor such as Coffee has.
Sociopaths are the exception .They have a fantastic sense of humor

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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
Jung
You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it .
Jesus

He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
Proverbs

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