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Topic: Mars Square Pluto Natal
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YoursTrulyAlways
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posted March 23, 2012 11:22 PM
  
I don't understand the monsters that hit women. It sickens me to no end.  IP: Logged |
ariesdragon
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posted March 23, 2012 11:25 PM
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Originally posted by strawberrysundae:
i have a friend who has a ten degree conjunction between mars and saturn would this be felt ...... thank you
10 degrees? It might only come out when necessary.  IP: Logged |
mercuranian
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posted March 23, 2012 11:29 PM
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I don't understand the monsters that hit women. It sickens me to no end.
what about fathers who hit their daughters? my dear old dad 
oh yeah - i have mars square pluto
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strawberrysundae
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posted March 23, 2012 11:31 PM
thanks ariesdragon .... now mars and saturn are in the first house ..... does anyone have info for mars and saturn ten degree conjunction in the first IP: Logged |
ariesdragon
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posted March 23, 2012 11:35 PM
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Originally posted by strawberrysundae:
thanks ariesdragon .... now mars and saturn are in the first house ..... does anyone have info for mars and saturn ten degree conjunction in the first
your welcome
Mars in the 1st...
Mars in 1st house can influence lots of personal presence and power. People with Mars in 1st House want to make an impact. Action without thinking can put them in danger. They are physically assertive, charismatic, energetic, visibly motivated, can have reddish or flushed complexion, competitive, active in childhood, energizing to be around, and at times provocative. Their reactions to new situation and circumstances are immediate. They tend to start new endeavors with passion, albeit follow-through is not essentially indicated by this position alone. Some of them might be inconsiderate, rash, and may be headstrong. They can be sternly independent, audacious, outspoken dynamic, masculine, and they are usually straightforward and direct. Spontaneity is tremendously important to them. Some of them might stir up a commotion, whether unconsciously or consciously, when they are bored. They have a lot of energy and require a constructive location to deposit it. They’re independent, assertive, fearless, self-confident, headstrong, and have a positive desire to dominate their environment, and have immense recuperative ability. If Mars is affected, they need to watch their temper, accidents, an overblown ego, and possible violence. They have a powerful drive to be seen and known to communicate themselves to others. Their personal appearance (the way they present themselves) is important to them. Astronomically, the first house refers to that one-twelfth region or sector of the local sky beneath the eastern horizon that planetary bodies occupy two hours before rising. Astrologically it signifies early childhood conditioning, describes self-awareness and the skill most necessary for its progress. The first house is the facade they wear in relating to and projecting themselves into the world. It rules physical manifestation, conscious self-image, body type, and how others experience and see them. It’s the window through which they view the world, and through which others acquired and received their first impressions of them.
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strawberrysundae
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posted March 23, 2012 11:39 PM
thanks ariesdragon your so awesome <3IP: Logged |
ariesdragon
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posted March 23, 2012 11:40 PM
Saturn in the 1st...
The first house stands for the way in which an individual projects personal energies onto others. This house is fundamental in defining an individual's personality and Saturn's presence here is particularly significant. Saturn in the first house people might have a stern exterior. People may comment, "You look so different when you smile!" When you smile the stern exterior drops. Saturn's presence in the first house can make you more aware than others of right or wrong in a societal way. Responsibility will be a major concern in your actions. Demands from people around you will dominate your consciousness. You will probably find it extraordinarily difficult to place yourself ahead of others. Guilt and anxiety might haunt you over issues that others, without this influence, might not consider significant. This misplaced guilt and anxiety may create false sentimentality and attachment to surroundings to the point of neurosis. You are hard on yourself. Self-assertion at work and home might be stressful. Develop awareness about your guilt and anxiety attacks. Fight the guilt by thinking things through by yourself or with someone you feel comfortable with. To avoid the guilt and anxiety your best bet is to lay low and first let people around you articulate and take what they want and need. Then take what you want. It's rather important for Saturn first house people to have spouses and partners who understand their self-assertion issue. An understanding spouse or partner will go a long way towards making life pleasant.
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Lonake
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posted March 24, 2012 12:30 AM
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Originally posted by strawberrysundae:
i have a friend who has a ten degree conjunction between mars and saturn would this be felt ...... thank you
Kinda wide, but the conj is basically drive, focus, determination, self control, good w.planning, a strategist, neg could be frustration and out of that arising anger that could get ugly, also setbacks, other people in your way, confinement, can also be a factor for depression. Ask the person maybe, see if they agree.
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strawberrysundae
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posted March 24, 2012 12:38 AM
thanks lonake ..... my friend is focused, determined has good self control but your right about some set backs from other people in his way. He says hes not depressed IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted March 24, 2012 12:49 AM
The danger comes w.pushing too hard, if they make a plan and then have back up plans and focus and stay the course it's generally v.good. Also that way they have energy reserves when needed, just in case, cos when they get caught up in frustration there's not much other than anger that sits and stews and causes more damage. This is why self control/planning is v.good for them.IP: Logged |
popcorn
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posted March 24, 2012 02:58 AM
(((The trine would be totally different I think Ian. It would be an easy flow of the energy not a hard one like the square which is pent up.)))Anders Brevik who killed 60-70 children have an exactly trine. IP: Logged |
popcorn
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posted March 24, 2012 03:08 AM
(((Ok I am thinking that this in the natal would be like this in synastry.
In synastry,it makes you fight but kind of in a sexy,passionate,magnetic way.
Maybe, the person who has it in the natal has THAT same vibe?
What do you think?))))Ive been in the square, composite with my exhusbund. I agree it sexy, passionate and magnetic. It was in 15 year. No fight. We have problem to talk to each other. That's why we divorced. My mother have an square in her natal. She is 78. Shes not aggressive on an dangerous way. She is aggressive on an positive helping people way... The aspect are strong even the easy. Every healthy person have a choice....
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Capriquarius
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posted March 24, 2012 03:12 AM
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Originally posted by popcorn:
(((The trine would be totally different I think Ian. It would be an easy flow of the energy not a hard one like the square which is pent up.)))Anders Brevik who killed 60-70 children have an exactly trine.
As well as a Mars-Uranus square with mutual reception.
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Geminisquared
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posted March 24, 2012 03:19 AM
I have mars trine saturn I also have mars quincunx pluto. I'm not a violent person in no means since my moon is loaded with trines from neptune jupiter and uranus. I do however have a vengeful nature, and a need to seek justice against those who wronged me. So usually I get back at them i some way, the intention is to teach them a lesson. :PMy mom has mars square pluto and she's harmless but she is fierce and messing with her is not a good idea. My dad however is very controlling especially with money. IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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posted March 24, 2012 03:21 AM
i knew a girl who had a scorpio mars conjunct scorpio pluto and uranus squared mars,she was very very unstable IP: Logged |
popcorn
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posted March 24, 2012 03:26 AM
One of my childhoodfriends have an mars conj uranus conj pluto aspect and she is very stable  ....We are an minigenereation around 1964-1968 who have the conj of uranus and pluto so I know many who also have the stellium to this one... IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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posted March 24, 2012 03:27 AM
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Originally posted by popcorn:
One of my childhoodfriends have an mars conj uranus conj pluto aspect and she is very stable ....We are an minigenereation around 1964-1968 who have the conj of uranus and pluto so I know many who also have the stellium to this one...
but in this case the uranus was square to mars IP: Logged |
popcorn
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posted March 24, 2012 04:39 AM
Yes but dont forget he is an mental psychic sick person. An normal person with that aspect pattern will never do like this....IP: Logged |
cooljen
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posted March 24, 2012 09:23 AM
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Originally posted by SaggiMC:
[QUOTE]Dark Energy: Aspects Between Mars and Pluto in the Natal Chart
March 21, 2012 by Nadia Gilchrist 11 CommentsCredit: Klubovy via iStockphoto
Mars equals will and primal instinct. Pluto equals power and compulsion. Combine these energies, and you have one explosive package. Now, imagine having these planets connected in your natal chart! Aspects between natal Mars and Pluto create a potent, sometimes frightening, source of energy. Mars fires up the Pluto need for control, while Pluto intensifies Mars’ desire to conquer. Hard aspects (conjunction, opposition, square) between Mars and Pluto can be especially challenging. These two planets are so strong that even the unity of the conjunction can create friction. The conflict of the hard aspects triggers the most intense manifestations of Mars/Pluto energy. The Mars/Pluto Personality Here’s the perspective of the Mars/Pluto person: they’re afraid of losing control. Any destructive or manipulative behavior that they demonstrate is a direct result of this fear. Their personal power may have been threatened or taken away in childhood. As a result, trusting and letting go are problems. Pluto’s need to explore the depths is activated by Mars, making them deeply suspicious. They are constantly on the lookout for ulterior motives in others, even when there are none. The Pluto rational is this: what you don’t know can hurt you, so it’s best to get the jump on everything and everyone. Their behavior is designed to protect and stems from the subconscious conviction that their life is being threatened. That’s extreme, but Mars/Pluto people don’t experience anything half-way. People with this aspect exude a dark magnetism. They are relentlessly determined, as Pluto’s obsessive tendencies push them to fixate on whomever they are attracted to. Challenges are mowed down when Mars’ need to conquer is fired up, and they literally pursue the object of their desire. Fortunately for them, they have no problem drawing people into relationships. Unfortunately, this is where the difficulties can start. What happens in a partnership with someone who carries around this deeply volatile aspect? The Challenges of Having a Mars/Pluto Partner Being the partner of a Mars/Pluto person is no picnic. Choosing to stay in this relationship means having a strong sense of self. Not giving into unreasonable demands is important. Acquiescing may seem easier, but it’s the quickest route to Mars/Pluto’s contempt. This relationship is only suitable for those who are prepared to stand their ground. ›› Get your customized astrological compatibility report for insight into how the planets play out in your relationships. Mars/Pluto people respect power and abhor weakness, but they also need to maintain control. They may uncover certain “flaws” in their partner and demand that a change be made. If the partner complies, they’ll face the scorn of the Mars/Pluto person, because they gave in to their demands. If they don’t comply, they’ll endure a relentless barrage of pressure to change. With the Mars/Pluto person, love is war and there is only one winner. Sex is a contentious issue, because Mars and Pluto both represent different aspects of it. Mars is desire and sexual instinct; Pluto is the need to penetrate another’s defenses and merge with them on the deepest possible level. With the conflict of a hard aspect, sex can become an all-consuming obsession. Pluto’s need for control bears down on Mars, and blocks the ability to let go and be truly intimate. At the same time, Pluto’s need to push the limits is triggered, and dominance comes into play. Sex can become a venue for the Mars/Pluto person to prove their supremacy. Their partner can feel simultaneously overwhelmed by sexual demands and distanced by the mechanical Mars/Pluto technique. The Mars/Pluto person will be extremely jealous, but they’ll hide it (acting jealous would be a sign of weakness). They may turn the tables on their partner, covering up their own actions, even if they have nothing to hide. This can drive their partner to distraction, because they have no idea what the Mars/Pluto person is doing. In this way, they create a jealous partner who can be more easily controlled. The Rewards of having a Mars/Pluto Partner But there’s good news for those willing to take up the challenge of entering into a relationship with a Mars/Pluto person. This energy lends itself to change, once effort is applied. The Mars/Pluto person may not realize what kind of impact they have on their partner. Pluto deals with the subconscious, so most of their actions (Mars) are instinctive, rather than rational. If the Mars/Pluto person becomes aware of what he or she is doing, the transformational qualities of Pluto can be activated by Mars, in a positive way. Fear can be a weakness, if it’s not addressed. If the Mars/Pluto person sees that it’s responsible for destructive actions, he or she may be compelled to stop it. It’s their choice, but that relentless determination can be directed towards changing their behavior for the better. Then the Mars/Pluto person can become a fearlessly intimate, profound lover. They’ll focus on protecting their partner and relationship, rather than safeguarding power. Then, the Mars/Pluto explosive energy can be appreciated for its power for good. http://sasstrology.com/2012/03/dark-energy-aspe cts-between-mars-and-pluto-in-the-natal-chart.html/comment-page-1#comment-145752
.[/QUOTE]Awesome description! Very very accurate. In my natal chart I have: Mars (in Cancer 9th house) square Saturn/Pluto conjunction (in Libra 12th house).
Saturn & Pluto are opposite the Moon (in Taurus) which is a part of a kite with Moon, Mercury and Neptune. ------------------
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Doreen
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posted March 25, 2012 01:21 PM
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Originally posted by SaggiMC:
there seems a few enquires just recently about this aspect, so thought I would resurrect rather than start a new one.. http://www.celestialperspective.com/library/marspluto-aspectswhat-determines-theyre
mars/Pluto aspects by Donna Cunningham http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2118&highlight=mars+square+pluto[/ URL] [URL=http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7733&highlight=mars+square+pluto]http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7733&highlight=mars+square+pluto[/ URL] [URL=http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40335&highlight=mars+conjunct+pluto]http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40335&highlight=mars+conjunct+p luto
Thank you SaggiMC
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YoursTrulyAlways
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posted March 25, 2012 01:51 PM
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Originally posted by popcorn:
One of my childhoodfriends have an mars conj uranus conj pluto aspect and she is very stable ....We are an minigenereation around 1964-1968 who have the conj of uranus and pluto so I know many who also have the stellium to this one...
Hahaha.. I have Mars Trine Uranus as well, in addition to Uranus Conjunct Pluto
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scrappydog
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posted March 25, 2012 07:21 PM
Excellent post saggie MC, but u also just described me sooo much! And I am sun pluto conj almost exact squaring mc. I have no mars pluto aspect...?IP: Logged |
scrappydog
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posted March 25, 2012 07:26 PM
I agree with Lonake, it has a reputation for good reason and is no joke, just because 1 person has it and it hasnt happened to them does not mean it should be minimized in Any way. It has the potential to be extremely dangerous. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted March 25, 2012 10:01 PM
I believe SaggiMC has been banned as of Saturday. But obv could re-register w.a new nick..
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just because 1 person has it and it hasnt happened to them does not mean it should be minimized in Any way. It has the potential to be extremely dangerous.
 Yeah while we're at it I'll bring up Mars/Uranus again. Take a look at this case if interested, the birthdays are there. Save em in astro.com, look at the solar arcs + transits for each, keep an eye out for Mars/Uranus because it is all over this one.  We honestly do not ever know under what circumstance a relatively sane person will break. IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka
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posted March 25, 2012 10:16 PM
My boyfriend has a Mars-Pluto square and an explosive and violent temper. While he doesn't physically lash out at PEOPLE, he can be verbally abusive when he loses his temper and has been known to break objects.It's a difficult aspect to control, I think.
I think his Mars-Saturn square actually INHIBITS its expression a little bit; without this I don't know that he would have refrained from ever striking another person. IP: Logged |
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