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Topic: Mars Square Pluto Natal
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Lonake
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posted March 25, 2012 10:25 PM
  
Mars sq Saturn adds anger + frustration.
The conj would be better w.self control, depending.
It's his choice what to do with the energy.
However, best to not let it fester as INHIBITED energy as he will either explode or meet that anger from the outside.
Anger has to go somewhere.IP: Logged |
inthemisosoup
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posted March 25, 2012 10:31 PM
I have Mars-Pluto trine exact and Mars-Saturn square (I think at 4? degrees or something). I am not violent (then again, I have mars in pisces), but I do have a temper and it can get nasty. I have a lot of frustration with myself tbh it is mostly internalized. I think the mars-pluto trine so far has helped me deal with a lot of pain and challenges. It gives me power and will to put up with practically anything. having a mars-pluto contact I think makes it especially hard to open up or let your guard down with people. what i hate the most is having secrets from my best friends. i want to tell them stuff but for some reason I just *can't*. I don't want to show them certain vulnerabilities which is strange because other vulnerabilities I show without hesitation (but these vulnerabilities are more shallow, less meaningful. where i hurt the most i am the most guarded.). it was the same with all of my ex boyfriends as well. I know I have a breaking point and I have definitely felt it before. usually it's just me who falls down; I don't bring anyone down with me. i don't really know how to change this and honestly i don't like it about myself.  i like that i have will and never give up but i wish i could let people a little closer instead.IP: Logged |
Lava Flower
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posted March 26, 2012 01:31 AM
That description is very accurate except for the violence part, for me. I have the square at 2* and I have never struggled with being violent. Ever. I do not throw dishes around when im mad, I do not lash out at other people. I withdraw and want to be alone. I realize Im obviously denying a big part of myself, but I have not yet found a way to connect with it except through other people IP: Logged |
Doreen
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posted March 26, 2012 05:45 AM
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Originally posted by popcorn:
My mother have an square in her natal. She is 78. Shes not aggressive on an dangerous way. She is aggressive on an positive helping people way... The aspect are strong even the easy. Every healthy person have a choice....
Oh I like this... this person is also a very determined and helpful person who goes all out to help the less fortunate ------------------
The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong - Mahatma Gandhi You must be the change you want to see in the world - Mahatma Gandhi IP: Logged |
ariesdragon
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posted March 28, 2012 12:52 PM
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Linda Jones
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posted March 28, 2012 01:52 PM
^ Thank you ariesdragon!  I read thro. LOTS of interesting info here including your posts, and my question 'bout Mars and Saturn does get answered. Thanks for directing me here so quickly. Really appreciate it. Never knew that Mars contacting Saturn could also be a "watch out" aspect. IP: Logged |
ariesdragon
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posted March 28, 2012 01:56 PM
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Originally posted by Linda Jones:
^ Thank you ariesdragon! I read thro. LOTS of interesting info here including your posts, and my question 'bout Mars and Saturn does get answered. Thanks for directing me here so quickly. Really appreciate it. Never knew that Mars contacting Saturn could also be "watch out" aspect.
 you're welcome Linda xoxo IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted March 28, 2012 02:45 PM
My Mars conjuncts Pluto and they both square Saturn (and the Moon).I have anger (actually more like irritability) issues related to insecurity, all due to my family environment. I'd be scared of someone with a similar configuration of aspects as me, especially in a man because they are more externally aggressive than women.
But actually now that I think about it, that's exactly the kind of energy I attract.
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Linda Jones
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posted March 28, 2012 03:11 PM
^ Aw, Doux,A close friend of mine w/ moon conj Pluto kept attracting the negative part of Pluto energy into her life for years. Over and over again ... the same manipulation, same hidden or overt anger, jealousy, etc. I pointed out to her the similarities in these people and suggested she go into herself and figure out what in her is bringing such people into her life. I taught her how to protect her energy. She made it a 'self project', took a few years and over time began to see the real issues (some family related). She worked thro' them, and gradually began to see the diffce. Now she only attracts gentle, positive people in her life. Long story short ... it's doable ... and also important, especially if such people are causing pain. IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted March 28, 2012 03:20 PM
Thanks, Linda.I am sure it is manageable, but it does require effort and courage. I am not sure I am ready to face my inner demons yet. It's very scary. I'll probably need help because I don't think I can do that by myself. IP: Logged |
Linda Jones
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posted March 28, 2012 03:33 PM
Yes, I understand exactly what you're saying, Doux.  I was there for this friend every step of the way pretty much over the years. So you may need the support of a loving friend, someone you can trust completely. This same friend of mine has Sun/Merc in oppo. to Saturn, so a lot of fears to even begin to face stuff (and there was so much of it). But I kept encouraging her, 'propping' her up ea. time she faltered, so she would get back on track. Absolute devotion towards those I love is my usual MO. My positive perception on even the smallest of things, really helped her, and she realized she has much more courage than she EVER gave herself credit for. I truly hope you can find someone devoted to wanting to see you happy, 'cause yes, you may def. need this type of 'outside' help.  IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted March 28, 2012 03:39 PM
Thanks a lot for the encouraging words, Linda!I'll do my best to sort this out.
Hopefully it will work.  IP: Logged |
Linda Jones
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posted March 28, 2012 03:50 PM
^ Anytime, Doux! IP: Logged |
Linda Jones
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posted March 28, 2012 09:06 PM
Oh, one more thing, Doux,You don't have to know HOW to work it out. You just have to have the DESIRE to work it out. The rest is taken care of by the good forces of nature/Universe/God. This is where God steps in and "takes care of the details." All my friend had was the desire to move away from pain and I believe that is when the Universe brought us in each others' lives. I was one of the first few people she met when she moved to my city and the rest is history. This is the way it happened for her. For you it might be different. I don't know how this works-all I know is that it does. Once you have the desire, things begin to be set in motion-incidents, circumstances, the right people, etc., which fit in with your life at a given moment, to make your desire a reality. You may think that this is my 7th hse. singleton Neptune hokus pokus talking, but with a very strong Taurus and earth energy in my chart, I can tell you I make it my business to figure out how to make my ideals a reality. And of course I also do the same for those I care for and love. So rest assured, when you're internally ready, the good forces that we're constantly surrounded by, will start making things happen for you. By having this 'good' desire in you, you will automatically be aligning your mind with that of the higher power. And that is all you have to do. I'm telling you all this so that you don't get bogged down in trying to sort out the details before you've even begun-something most of us try to do in order to control the outcome of things. But this is completely unnecessary. In fact it is best to step away from trying to control the outcome, while simultaneously trying to put increasing amounts of trust in the higher power. The more you do this, the more you'll become aware that your "demons" are, in reality, just scarecrows. Hope I've made sense enough to give you a little bit of peace And yes, my heart definitely goes out to you. Yet I also know you can do it. The power of Pluto ain't just a sand dune, you know. My apologies to Doreen, the OP, if I've gone off topic ... kay, I know I have, but you won't mind will ya, Doreen? Thanks. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted March 28, 2012 09:30 PM
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
I'd be scared of someone with a similar configuration of aspects as me, especially in a man because they are more externally aggressive than women
This is a VERY good point. Majority violent crime perpetrated by men. And a lot of it is against women. We have a right to stand up for ourselves and speak up. I am so sick of the power these weak men wield simply because they are stronger and they think we won't fight back. Hell no (!) I will fight against a man to protect any woman any day. If I am around and any man tries something you know I'm not scared of making a scene. (Thank my Leo asc lol.) He can hunt me down wanting to kill me and I will be waiting for him and win. This was a news story in my town actually. A guy was beating up on his girl in the parking lot. Another man intervened and broke it up. The abuser knocked on the man's door, the guy opened it, the abuser killed the man and his family. Serious. This is a war. Oh. And I have Mars conj Saturn conj Pluto IP: Logged |
Linda Jones
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posted March 28, 2012 10:03 PM
^ "Oh. And I have Mars conj Saturn conj Pluto "Whoa, Lonake, you're a POWERHOUSE , and using it for good, I see. Excellent! Count me in on your march any time. I detest abuse of ANY KIND! IP: Logged |
Linda Jones
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posted March 29, 2012 12:27 PM
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Linda Jones
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posted March 30, 2012 10:26 AM
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amowls**
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posted March 30, 2012 11:45 AM
2 of my exes had Venus/Mars/Pluto in hard aspect (G has Venus conjunct Mars in Leo square Pluto, P has Mars in Taurus opposite Pluto both squaring Venus in Aqua).G was a pussycat in many ways, but stubborn as f*ck. He's super gentle, has a pleasant speaking voice, is very non threatening. Girls love him because to them he's their "Seth Cohen." I think this energy comes out that way for him... lots of female admirers. He never had any aggressive tendencies. P had a weird dark aura about him. He, of course, was never violent but I would say aggressive, yes. Again, lots of admirers. But he was emotionally abusive. IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted March 30, 2012 02:43 PM
Oh, Linda, I am sorry I have just only seen your post!Thank you so much, that was really inspiring. You've given me hope. Your help is truly appreciated, thank you again!
@ Lonake, I know! Scary stuff. It really pi*ses me off to know that there are so many abusive/aggressive/violent people out there, and we never know what they can do.. it's horrible. We definitely need to take a stand against violence, this is no joke. I admire people like you, not afraid to speak up! Our society needs more people like you.
@ amowls, fortunately not everyone with such aspects will be violent, otherwise we'd live in an even scarier place than it is now.. but they do have the potential to use these enrgies in a very destrutive way though, that's for sure.
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girl27
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posted March 30, 2012 03:13 PM
what would be the effect of mars square pluto in synastry? mars feels being taken over when mars wants to be in control?IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted March 30, 2012 03:20 PM
I guess the Pluto person would want to have some control over Mars. It may indicate power struggles and that's why it can lead to abuse/violence; but by itself, it may not be that dangerous, unless the natal charts show some serious affliction to either planet.Usually what it does though is create a lot of passion/tension. And we all know that passion can easily lead to destruction - be careful! IP: Logged |
Linda Jones
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posted March 30, 2012 04:07 PM
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Originally posted by Doux Reve:
Oh, Linda, I am sorry I have just only seen your post!Thank you so much, that was really inspiring. You've given me hope. Your help is truly appreciated, thank you again!
No worries, Doux And you're welcome! I'm glad this thread is growing. It is an important topic, I think. Your response to girl27 is right on! IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted March 30, 2012 04:33 PM
Linda 
I agree, it's an important topic.
People need to be aware!
And thank you!
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anno_lucis
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posted April 30, 2012 05:16 PM
i have pluto in 1st scorpio opposing mars square to jupiter in 4th..consciousness is key, we are not all dangerous psychopaths, kthx. on a forum like this, a label like that can feel somewhat alienating, although im sure its not meant that way. i have definitely experienced domestic friction and have attracted abusive partners in the past - not all though. usually if there's no friction i can lose interested so i guess i do bring it upon myself to some degree. over time i aim for soul progression so will bring any notable flaws to the fore - as mentioned in the article. some are ready to evolve, some arent. some make a staggering amount of progress, and we enjoy evolution together. if there are any unresolved issues resentment builds, and a downward spiral ensues. on a personal level, evolution is like...a necessity. mainly spiritually....
without this harsh aspect i probably would not have the impetus to do much in 'the real world'. i have to be 'nagged' by this energy or else things wont get done.
without an outlet or focus though it's all too easy to become frustrated and self destructive. self destruction quickly becomes boring and frustrating too... ive moved about alot, always trying to reach for my goal, aiming to expand my surroundings, with much success...up til now... IP: Logged |
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