posted June 07, 2011 08:41 AM            

Abstinence seems so strange and freakish in our culture like "Come on man, WHAA is wrong with you ?"

I get that so much.

I ,only,now can see the wisdom in abstinence . More importantly, I see God's love behind it .

posted June 07, 2011 09:50 AM            

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He says that in order to really give up willingly on something, may it be ego, wealth, sex, one must acquire these things - for example, build a strong ego before letting it go.

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That is an amazingly good point. It never crossed my mind to put this into words, but I think this is exactly how I feel about it.

posted June 07, 2011 10:20 AM            

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Originally posted by dysfunctionalmystic:
I have issues with the whole abstinence thing being regarded as spiritual. The denial of the flesh has it's roots in many religions ...Catholicism and Buddhism especially.

To understand this you need to look at the reasons why "man" would deny the flesh and that usually comes down to a denial of mortality which is also strongly connected to those who engage in a "spiritual" path.

I agree that it's important to respect and honour the body but this does not mean that we need to abstain from physical pleasure. It certainly doesn't mean someone is less "evolved" even if they do have issues in this department.

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Non-spiritual sex causes a downward movement of prana (apana) in the shushumna which slows down kundalini and on an energetic level makes you more self-identify with the body as opposed to the spiritual etc. When people go on spiritual fasting there jathara agni gets converted to bhuta agni and more energy ascends the shushumna.. so a similar impact here (bhuta agni allows for spiritual evolution and insight). Then there's the karmic energy exchange. I know there are other positive benefits to it, but I don't know them off the top of my head. If you practice tantric union and you're thinking about sex you're seriously screwing yourself over on a spiritual level.

posted June 07, 2011 10:53 AM            

If it feels right and good then it isn't going to cause damage. Problems occur because people don't listen to their instincts.

Can anyone tell me what exactly is non spiritual sex? And for that matter...what is spiritual sex?

posted June 07, 2011 10:55 AM            

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Didn't jesus himself get it on with a prostitute?

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No

posted June 07, 2011 11:32 AM            

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Originally posted by dysfunctionalmystic:
Mochai - That's a belief you've chosen to buy into. Plenty of people have a healthy sex life without knowing anything about tantra or kundalini. Just as plenty of spiritual people have unhealthy sex because they are disconnected from the body.

If it feels right and good then it isn't going to cause damage. Problems occur because people don't listen to their instincts.

Can anyone tell me what exactly is non spiritual sex? And for that matter...what is spiritual sex?

Didn't jesus himself get it on with a prostitute?

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I didn't say it was unhealthy, just that there are benefits to abstinence. Please don't jump to conclusions on my beliefs. I do revere tantrics and certain hindu teachings, and I'm not quick to dismiss pantheistic trends. Fasting has been highlighted in disparate spiritual traditions and tantrics say it is because of bhuta agni. Sex is not good or bad. It just is, however I do see reducing someone to a sex object as bad as it's a reduction or elimination of the spiritual. I think complete denial or suppression of your feelings or urges is extremely unhealthy (but doesn't mean you have to act on them). I believe this leads to psychosomatic ailments like chronic back pain or rheumatoid arthritis or even diseases like cancer, this purely from a holistic standpoint.

As far as feeling good is concerned, it feels good to drive cross country, eat mcdonalds and pollute a bunch when you do it. It's hard to separate eudaimonic and hedonic instincts so I try not to jump on board with everything that feels good. Besides I'm a slight adrenaline junkie and there are things that are bad that feel good to me. To a killer killing feels good.

posted June 07, 2011 11:40 AM            

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Originally posted by dysfunctionalmystic:
So who were the 2 mary's?

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That would be what is called extra Biblical teachings.
That may be like the teachings of Jesus in India.
Those are not in the Bible as a pure Bible believer/Born again Christian would believe.
We believe that the Bible itself is the only thing that is inspired by God and as such, true.

posted June 07, 2011 12:02 PM            

But to be honest...it is the eastern philosophies which turned me on to celebicy and abstinence...and it was mostly for energetic reasons...meaning the ability to heal by touching...

also by listening, and expanding the morphic field around the brain

rather than wasting the sexual energy savigely like some sort of brute...regardless of religion, we are all pretty much built the same

and you cannot avoid the fact that sexual release is like a drug which has consequences for being used in access...

it's like running, you do it too much, say good bye to your knees...

that simple - biological and functional at the very least...spiritual and soulful at the very most

that being said....chasity is a virtue in every culture, and universally accepted so..

posted June 07, 2011 12:05 PM            

i'm going to tell you teh same thing that Bettyburp told me after I said that i believed in transumating sexual energy..

here is my diagnosis of your "sickness"...in betty boops words

"You all need to stop seperating yourselves from the group, we all have the same problems"

in other words your individuality is of no signifigance here...

as if you don't lov eenough and i am some omniscient entity who plays god

and this is why i believed her too be a sociopath, because how can one not know that htis would offend...if i stopped you on the street and said

excuse me...you are giving money to charity? You are being abstinent? You are visiting old people in teh nursing home?

I think yuou are mentaly sick and need to lov emore

so before you all continue to say taht i was the one being rude

check the order of events

and check yourself in place.

Also based on what betty boop said before....i will give you teh same advice

"Love more"

you all don't love enough...your love efforts thus far have been insuficient. How can I Tell?

posted June 07, 2011 12:10 PM            

well

posted June 07, 2011 12:13 PM            

notice how I'm not asking randal to come here and block this thread like a manipulator...

also understand that we are the new breed of astrologers and that you have paved the way for us...but it is inevitable that we shall surpass you in knowledge...I and a few others here are only in their 20's and we already know what you didn't know until your 40's.

posted June 07, 2011 12:39 PM            

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Originally posted by mochai:
Road, you have no right calling Betty crazy and abusive debasing language is in no way spiritually evolved. I don't care what she did. Almost all of us are here because we have not reached the divine perfection of god. Betty is a divine being with her own path and wisdom whether you like it or not. Do not lower yourself to slinging insults and sarcastic quips. Ami was hoping to have you stay on this site..

You have all this potential for spiritual realization yet you are getting into arguments? I know it's hard with kundalini. I have a seriously hard time not tearing into people some days where I am currently, but you have more potential than this. You are not showing love and forgiveness. You are showing duality and more importantly a judgmental attitude that will impede you spiritually if you continue along that path.

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There is no judgement in me.

posted June 07, 2011 12:43 PM            

no one is saying anything about betty not being divine...but i think you need to check hte order of events here....

and see who is really judging who

I am not the one who made sarcastic remarks about being celebant...she however, objectively did..

now you can reason that spiritualization is seperate from cerebral logic, but as someone who has awakened kundalini i am aware that the heart can be reached through the mind, just as well as by the emotional body

so you are in error saying that i am judging..I am not judging...I am not saying she is guilty of a crime

yes she did break the law when she harassed me for my sacred beliefs.....like i said it is illegal to make fun of someone for being christian or a musclim

yes she was sarcastic

and yes she did it purposefuly

and no being a sociopath is not calling someone crazy

being a sociopath is an illness....and should not be made fun of by you or anyone else...being divine does not mean you are God.

posted June 07, 2011 12:46 PM            

spiritualization is turning the cheek against violence...not philosophical or intellectual debates..

now notice how there is no pettiness in my words...because i have forgiven you but i still mainting the write to speak the truth..

I pray the Lord Jesus forgive you for your sins against him as well as for me.

posted June 07, 2011 12:48 PM            

if you have a personal issue or vendetta also please keep it out of these boards...I have said what I needed to say.

If you read what i wrote above there are not sarcastic quibs whatsoever..however if we read yuour post there are

posted June 07, 2011 12:51 PM            

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Originally posted by mochai:
Your language is full of judgment. Road, please don't call people names or call them crazy etc. There are true sociopaths out there with no feeling and Betty is not one. Calling people by such loaded terms only actualizes that reality whether it is real or not. Isn't there enough hatred in the world? Please calm down and just take a breather. When I am angry I leave the area and try to work out my anger in such a way that when I can communicate with someone it is full of compassion and empathy. There are no winners in conflict.. only losers.

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I said she may be a sociopath because she lacks emotional empathy...I will say that if i feel it's true..there is nothing wrong with being a sociopath...there is nothing wrong with being blind...I believe you are the one judging here and saying that all sociopaths are bad...

posted June 07, 2011 12:52 PM            

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Originally posted by roadwarriorsdp:
I said she may be a sociopath because she lacks emotional empathy...I will say that if i feel it's true..there is nothing wrong with being a sociopath...there is nothing wrong with being blind...I believe you are the one judging here and saying that all sociopaths are bad...

I have distant relatives who are sociopaths who i love very much...so please refrain from judging.

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Also mochai...I never mentioned anything about winners here....

I am not trying to win a debate...but i am still going to engage in debate..

Also mochai...I don't understand why you think i'm angry...