posted June 06, 2011 09:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Benedict Moon*:
Nothing you're saying here is profound or even new, just because it happens to 'different'. But of course, what do I know? I've been brainwashed. Silly me.

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posted June 06, 2011 10:00 PM            

for example i have it in gemini....and my mind can be very gemini like (ex. now)

but my third house in leo seems to be related more to the community level and how i veiw communication...not nessesarly how i do it....
i personally hate my leo third house, it puts pressure on me to say the funniest, smartest thing, etc...which i can't so i censor a lot....

another possibility is
mercury sign=when alone..working through a problem...internal
house three=bigger relation to broader community,..discribe the situational contex???idk

you can play around with it a bit, but something along those lines....
yeah...i can't explain it...

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BUTT!! WHAT I WANTED TO ASK was
say you have a neptune trine jupiter aspect.

how would you view that "aspect"?

would it be neputne trine jupiter
or would it be ruler of house x trine ruler of house z
or would it be ruler of house x trine jupiter

posted June 06, 2011 10:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Coffee:
Ruler of house trine ruler of house.

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posted June 07, 2011 12:19 AM            

Also that little nugget coffee has made it so much easier for me...it's like dissonance always starting and i could never word what hte issue was

but now it's like a razors edge...there is sign centered....house centered....and planet centered......I believe psychological astrology should always be house centered...I guess ince the circle is a map of the psychee...meaning the ruler of the third house tells more about communication that the planet mercury...

but the planet mercury may give a general clue too....and the sign gemini even more of a clue...since mercury will carry this sign's house whereever it goes...

posted June 08, 2011 03:26 AM            

so this means? my talk opposes my emotions?

posted June 08, 2011 08:11 AM            

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Originally posted by love being Aries:
i have scorpio in third with pluto in 3rd
now pluto is squared by moon and jupiter in 9th

so this means? my talk opposes my emotions?

i do have trouble in expressing my emotions though

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Scorpio on the third (WHOLE SIGN House System?) is excellent placement with Pluto in it's home sign of Scorpio.

posted June 08, 2011 08:51 AM            

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Originally posted by Chaos:
I used to look at Mercury, but now I look at the ruler of the 3rd house, in aspects to other planets, to see how one communicates...

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posted June 08, 2011 09:32 AM            

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Originally posted by Coffee:
Scorpio on the third (WHOLE SIGN House System?) is excellent placement with Pluto in it's home sign of Scorpio.

It can mean that your voice (3rd house) is deep (Scorpio) and can (guessing) have an excess (Jupiter square) of saliva (square to Moon)
Just use key words. Imagine all the words that have ever been are divided into 12 signs, with each planet and house having the same words, if you look at their natural ruler. eg Aries, 1st house and Mars mean the same thing. All can mean your head.

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posted June 08, 2011 03:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Coffee:
You do that, then I like you. As you are from Serbia, I like you even more!

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posted June 08, 2011 06:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Chaos:
I get bonus points for being from Serbia?...Why do you like Serbs so much?

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I support Croatia national team, despite only being there once. I'm also the same birthdate as Nikola Zigic, so both have football links.

posted June 09, 2011 04:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Coffee:
I'm only really interested in a more HOUSE centred astrology. People say they use BOTH. That goes without saying and maybe misses the point. I'm looking at the house way of doing astrology as the first thing you should do. Work from the outside to the in.
House-house ruler-planet aspect. Not planet aspects-planet-house. Too many fall into the trap of looking at Mercury anywhere and thinking this is communication, not so. 3rd house (which is natural place of Mercury) is communication.

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Maybe I AM missing the point.

So, if I were to use your technique then I have Leo in my 3rd house at 29' which, if I understand correctly, I would be a dramatic,creative thinker and communicator with perhaps some virgo tendencies.

Am I on the correct track?

Then I would look at the planets and aspects to the planets in the 3rd house and go from there?

I would just like to understand if I'm incorrect.

posted June 09, 2011 05:34 PM            

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Originally posted by joyrjw:
Maybe I AM missing the point.

So, if I were to use your technique then I have Leo in my 3rd house at 29' which, if I understand correctly, I would be a dramatic,creative thinker and communicator with perhaps some virgo tendencies.

Am I on the correct track?

Then I would look at the planets and aspects to the planets in the 3rd house and go from there?

I would just like to understand if I'm incorrect.

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Correct!

posted June 10, 2011 07:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Coffee:
I support Croatia national team, despite only being there once. I'm also the same birthdate as Nikola Zigic, so both have football links.

Places in eastern europe seem a happy medium between the rich and the poor, the capitalist and other one, a divide between too strict punishments (Islam) and too lenient punishments (England). I always think they come off as overlooked or the underdog in most situations, so I side with them. A possible happy medium. Yes, I'm born in England.

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Oh...I don't think that Serbs & Croats have much in common, except for the language & the fact that we both used to be a part of one country in the past...Croats are more oriented towards western culture & Europe in general...us, not so much...

posted June 10, 2011 08:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Chaos:
Oh...I don't think that Serbs & Croats have much in common, except for the language & the fact that we both used to be a part of one country in the past...Croats are more oriented towards western culture & Europe in general...us, not so much...

As for "happy medium between the rich and the poor", you're kinda right...Most of us are neither ridiculously rich or insanely poor, we're all struggling to survive & earn enough money to live a decent life, nothing more...Don't know what the situation is like over there, in England, I suppose it's much better, when it comes to living standard...

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It's like England and Wales may be enemies on the pitch, but when they play against teams from outside UK, English side with Welsh and Scottish due to how close we are to each other, so I guess that is something every country has in common. Always favouring your neighbour when against a country from out of your region.

In England, you get paid if you are looking for work, and also get a contribution towards housing costs. This has been reduced, which some were not too happy with, but compared with other parts of the world, this 'low' amount means they are rich people. They just do not recognise that fact.
Hospital is somewhat free, because we contribute by national insurance, taken out of our wages.

posted June 11, 2011 07:51 AM            

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Originally posted by Coffee:
In England, you get paid if you are looking for work, and also get a contribution towards housing costs. This has been reduced, which some were not too happy with, but compared with other parts of the world, this 'low' amount means they are rich people. They just do not recognise that fact.
Hospital is somewhat free, because we contribute by national insurance, taken out of our wages.

When you looked at the ruler of a house for communication, instead of looking at the planet Mercury for communication, did you understand astrology much easier?

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Getting paid if looking for work & hospital is free?! Man, I'm moving to England!

I'm still learning about astrology and I'm glad I've found this place, lots of smart people & great astrologers here (a few psychos & trolls too, but I try to ignore them, lol)...

My perspective on astrology has changed since I joined LL. Before that, it was: Mercury for communication, Venus for love, Mars for action, Jupiter for luck, Saturn for difficulties, Uranus for unexpected and/or unusual occurences, Neptune for illusion, Pluto for transformation, Sun for self & Moon for emotions. My knowledge was limited, I didn't take house rulers or aspects into account. I knew I knew nothing, though, but I wanted to learn.

So, yeah, it's a long answer, but yes, I can understand astrology much easier, now I can explain some stuff in my chart, that were unclear to me...

posted June 14, 2011 07:55 AM            

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Originally posted by Coffee:

House-house ruler-planet aspect. Not planet aspects-planet-house. Too many fall into the trap of looking at Mercury anywhere and thinking this is communication, not so. 3rd house (which is natural place of Mercury) is communication.

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Hey this is a really interesting thread, and it is something I have actually considered and thought about in an abstract (picies on the 3rd kind of way maybe )

But, I have questions. Obvious one being - where does that leave my mercury in aquarius? How does my pisces on the 3rd balance with this - or, as you say, the house analysis doesn't consider this - it's pure house.

posted June 14, 2011 04:24 PM            

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Originally posted by sassaqua:
Hey this is a really interesting thread, and it is something I have actually considered and thought about in an abstract (picies on the 3rd kind of way maybe )

But, I have questions. Obvious one being - where does that leave my mercury in aquarius? How does my pisces on the 3rd balance with this - or, as you say, the house analysis doesn't consider this - it's pure house.

Then, in synastry, I certainly know when someones mercury is square, trine of sextile mine, just by talking. So it does seem to play a prominant role to me. I remember I had an ex, we are both cap rising, so both pisces on the third but, our mercuries were square (his taurus, mine aqua), and it was very difficult fumbling over eachother everywhere

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Start with each house meaning. Going round the houses....personality, finances, communication, father, children, work, partner, sex, law, mother, friends, sleep.

There you have 12 areas of the chart in which you want to look. Always start with an idea of what you are looking for in your natal, this is found through the house meanings above.

Once you know which area of the chart you have, then work on house meaning, then sign, then planet, then either relation to another HOUSE, or house meaning in relation to planet

When you go and do planet in relation to house meaning, you use the original word meaning, eg communication = Mercury.

You either compare house ruler to house ruler, or house ruler to planet.

I really say that you do not know why when someone's Mercury is square your Mercury, as this aspect should never show communication problems, as you look at the house meaning, not planet.

posted June 15, 2011 04:06 AM            

However, I do see these elements (as I said in above post), taking place between planet/planet aspects, the example above being, Mercury square mercury. So having a bit of trouble reconciling or understanding how the two play out together - meaning the house and planet analysis.

posted June 15, 2011 01:00 PM            

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Originally posted by sassaqua:

Yes, well, when we look at relationships, just say, we look to the 7th house so, by uniform, should look to all houses then. Meaning, the same principle should apply to all houses.

However, I do see these elements (as I said in above post), taking place between planet/planet aspects, the example above being, Mercury square mercury. So having a bit of trouble reconciling or understanding how the two play out together - meaning the house and planet analysis.

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posted June 15, 2011 02:58 PM            

mine mercury is retrograding and strongly aspected

kind a not-that-good speaker - even i love to talk - but good writer
(English isn't my mother language btw)

posted June 15, 2011 04:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Coffee:
Correct!

Always work from the outside in.Make it a rule to look at the house first, instead of looking straight at the planet.

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