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maira
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posted June 11, 2011 05:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for maira     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hm, lots of Saturn tonight. It is my belief that we create the reality we live in. That thoughts become actions and that we draw whatever experience we feel a strong emotion for.

I also believe that there are only two basic emotions, fear and love. I first read this in "Conversations with God" and could totally identify with this statement.

I think that if we live in fear, the Universe will give us the experience of fearing, people will come at the right time and at the right moments to confirm that this is indeed an unsafe place to live in and so on. But I'm a big believer in free will, however hard it is to use it, it can be done. We can attract loving experiences and we can create a safe environnement to live in.

Just my opinion though.

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Ami Anne
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posted June 11, 2011 05:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you all for your answers.I want to come back and study them all.
Retro Saturn is a big key in the puzzle of low self esteem

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stillatlarge
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posted June 11, 2011 06:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stillatlarge     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dream on, IMO. Even paranoids have real enemies. I've seen very few people ever change or be able to affect change for the better for any real length of time. I've personally experienced a miracle but I've come to believe free will is an illusion for the most part and I don't see how anyone who knows anything about genetics, organic bio chemistry, history, or especially astrology, can conclude otherwise. It's futile to think otherwise. Might as well accept it and get the best out of it you can. I do believe in God and prayer and that's the only variable I've ever seen that can change anything.

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samsaoule
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posted June 11, 2011 07:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for samsaoule     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by stillatlarge:
Dream on, IMO. Even paranoids have real enemies. I've seen very few people ever change or be able to affect change for the better for any real length of time. I've personally experienced a miracle but I've come to believe free will is an illusion for the most part and I don't see how anyone who knows anything about genetics, organic bio chemistry, history, or especially astrology, can conclude otherwise. It's futile to think otherwise. Might as well accept it and get the best out of it you can. I do believe in God and prayer and that's the only variable I've ever seen that can change anything.

I also think the concept of free will is kind of an illusion. Change happens through us whether we want it or not. However, free will or the illusion of it, as well as genetics, chemistry or (personal) history have all their part to play in the big picture. And if everything was a big illusion? Have you thought about it?

Indeed, I notice that you wouldn’t consider having enemies as being an illusion. There is no doubt in your mind, which I think is not a good sign of objectivity, and considering the fact you talk about science (genetics, etc.) I find it a bit contradictory.

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posted October 01, 2011 07:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for samsaoule     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just for the record. I wanted to thank Betty Boop for showing me this article by Dena Moore a few months ago. Three weeks ago, after having thought of it for a long time, I finally decided to have a karmic reading by this amazingly talented astrologer/channeler.This was a total mind blowing experience. I understood the roots of the issues I have been suffering in this lifetime. And I am actually healing. She is a really talented and caring individual. So, I wanted to thank you Betty Boop for drawing my attention to her website :-)

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posted October 02, 2011 12:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, I didn't know about this thread, I wasn't around during that time. But boy, that article is amazing...

I have retro Saturn as my chart ruler, in the 9th, in Scorpio, conjunct Pluto, MC ruler.

In short, I became so good at self-defense that I managed to alienate everyone from my life and isolate myself in my little bubble, as I like to call it. Of course you can't stay there all your life, though it would be great, still have to go to work, still have to pay the bills or buy groceries to survive. I have been living with the basic for survival for several years, this is why despite the economic crisis, I have money in the bank. I lived the minimum possible type of existance.

Ohhh... and the intimacy issues... as you can imagine, in my case it is worse, with Pluto/Scorpio in the mix. Pluto is also retro. Sure, most people born a year before/after me will have this too, but the two of them ruling my most important angles and making aspects to my personal planets, they became HUGE for me.

It wasn't until Saturn transited my 8th house (which is still not over, but soon will be) that I learned about intimacy and how badly I crave it and fear it at the same time. I sabotage relationships out of reflex, but damn me, how I yearn for that sweet surrender. It's just that I haven't found a single person worthy of such a complete trust to be able to do so. I am now more at ease with this, I am aware that I could do it if I really wanted to, but I'm still horribly selective about partners.

Awesome read, Betty. I came across that site a long time ago and absolutely loved the articles there. So deep and transfortmative!

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Taineberry
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posted October 02, 2011 03:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Taineberry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted July 21, 2017 08:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vertiver     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bump! This is a good one

Going through Saturn return especially with it being RX right now and natally in the 1st house no less, has got me re-evaluating everything. I've definitely learned a lot and its not over.

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Ami Anne
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posted July 21, 2017 09:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Glad you like the thread, V

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