posted June 06, 2011 05:02 PM            

However,I would like to hear how Saturn Retro is experienced by others.

Also,if you have Saturn conjunct the ASC,not Retro, I would like to hear your experiences.
Thanks!

posted June 06, 2011 05:21 PM            

Saturns best positions are 3d and 9th-and the ruler of Aq is Saturn

ask questons cause I'm not totally sure what this causes one to feel

posted June 06, 2011 05:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I have Saturn Retro conjunct the ASC.
I have started to accept that I must pull myself up inch by inch to get the self esteem I lost in my childhood.

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posted June 06, 2011 06:00 PM            

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Originally posted by starcrossedleo:
My saturn retro is in my 9th house Aquarius and is exactly sextile my Jupiter retro in the 11th house (Aries)

Saturns best positions are 3d and 9th-and the ruler of Aq is Saturn

ask questons cause I'm not totally sure what this causes one to feel

My saturn is square my neptune and my BML (retro)

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Ok
Is Aqua energy hard for you?
Are you prejudiced against people not in YOUR own group,whatever that group may be?
Is your world view more narrow as opposed to broad.
IOW--do you want your friends to be the same as you, ethnic,economic, ideas ,politics etc

posted June 06, 2011 06:07 PM            

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Originally posted by vertiver:
I also have Saturn in the 1st and RX in Sag. I can come across as awkward at times, and I definitely have self-esteem issues. I tend to take things very personally and that is the problem with RX planets, they become more personal to the individual...

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I was not too bad until I hit 14.Then I got numb,behind a sound proof wall I could not traverse.
I turned inward you could say,just as Retro is inward.
I have taken every single bit of my will and tried to come out of this numb state.
I AM doing it but the inch by inch feel is killer,sometimes lol

posted June 06, 2011 06:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Ok
Is Aqua energy hard for you?
Are you prejudiced against people not in YOUR own group,whatever that group may be?
Is your world view more narrow as opposed to broad.
IOW--do you want your friends to be the same as you, ethnic,economic, ideas ,politics etc

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I came across a very interesting description of Aquarians and I will parphrase. Aquarians have 2 types of friends and never the two shall meet.

Bohemian and traditional conservative

I found i interesting because while I tend to be conservative in my dress, I have bohemian interests (astrology, painting, yoga, into natural healin)and secretly wanted to be that way but Saturn suppressed that.

Also interesting is that my ex is an Aquarian south node and has both types of friends but the groups don't mix. So in a way I find that to be more intolerant almost hypocritical than someone who only hung out with one type of friend.

posted June 06, 2011 06:35 PM            

I'm not sure if anyone else has noticed this, but I feel a much stronger karmic connection with people who have Saturn Retro like my own. I know two different people with Saturn conjunct my Sun -- born a month apart.
One of them has Saturn Retro - I could almost swear I've met this person in previous lives... But I don't feel the same way about the Saturn direct person.

I think Saturn retro and Saturn direct - are very different energies. I don't even know where to begin describing the differences.

posted June 06, 2011 06:41 PM            

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For a person with Saturn retrograde in the natal chart, intimacy fears are enormous. They may have an easy time connecting with others (depending on other factors in their chart) and could be very friendly and seemingly outgoing, but if you take a closer look you will soon realize that the Saturn retrograde person gets along fabulously with strangers or ‘new’ friends but tends to shut off - castrate - those who grow to love him or her or anyone who gets close enough to notice the fine cracks in the façade the native presents to others. There is a very tender and vulnerable emotional infant lurking within the Saturn retrograde native…this may be a very small aspect of the soul, or it could be a huge part of the personality, but beneath the strongly contained ego that appears to have it all together, there is a child wanting to be loved for who he or she is… an infant wanting to be nurtured and cherished and most of all, understood and appreciated. The fear of not being good enough, not being what is expected, of being weak and vulnerable to others or worse, superseded or totally unneeded by anyone, drives the Soul with Saturn retrograde deeper and deeper into a cocoon of their own making…an isolated and lonely place to be, a stranger in the shadows watching others and wondering why he (or she) feels so horribly alone.

The Saturn retrograde individual is like a sponge that absorbs all of the energy around him (her) and intuitively knows what is going on and how to protect the self within that atmosphere…he may also take on the beliefs or thought patterns of others, especially in youth, without even being aware that these beliefs aren’t really his own but were absorbed from the family or society/culture he was raised in. There is a (karmic) distortion in the personality that allows the external world to permeate the Soul, rendering the Saturn retrograde native’s early attempts at constructing boundaries ineffective. As the ego develops, it learns to construct higher and thicker emotional walls, extremely defensive barriers, and a reserve with others that says, “Do NOT approach.” Of course those superficially involved with the native may not sense or feel any of this because the fears aren’t activated until the Saturn retro individual grows closer or more involved with a person. Let him (or her) fall in Love and Bam…the fear floods in and the walls come up. The worries that the loved one will not love the ‘true’ self can be so strong that they distance themselves or sever the relationship in order to protect the loved one…and the Self.

Ironically, if they would move toward the lover, open to the lover, and find a way to let down the barriers, they would learn that their vulnerability is endearing and that by showing the real self, they could truly be loved for who they are, warts, wounds, and all. Yet once they finally do begin to open to another, the intensity of the awakening can be such that they must withdraw and protect themselves at all cost…this is especially true upon their first initiation into a karmic love relationship. This withdrawal and denial of love is heartbreaking for both partners involved…while the Saturn retro native’s lover may suffer and feel bereft when the love is withdrawn, it may help the lover to realize that the pain is even greater for the Saturn retro individual. Why? Because their inability to cope with intimacy pushes them into isolation and their despair and loneliness cannot be easily assuaged. If the lover doesn’t also have the Saturn retro, he or she will be able to move on and see the relationship as a major learning experience…the Saturn retro native may learn a lot about him or herself as well, but the misery that will accompany this learning could last for several years as they slowly come to realize that it was their own inability to love that has created the schism and pushed love away. Those with Saturn energy moving forward in the chart have Saturn (more or less, depending on the rest of the chart) at his best…he is happily creating structure and building up necessary strengths within the personality to shine out into the world. Those with Saturn energy turned inward (retrograde) are building structures within the Self to hide that light…they do not feel safe enough within the world to truly share of the Self…they swallow their ‘children’ (their creations) and keep them in the dark. To many Saturn retro natives, to share of the Self is to risk rejection…and to lose personal power or authority. Saturn, at his worst, is a greedy, fearful, selfish little boy who hogs all the cookies and won’t share…he wants to use the cookies as a bargaining tool and thus keep all the others (the outside threats) in their place. If they do what the Saturn retro native desires, then he might - just might - offer a cookie as a reward. The Saturn retro individual may be very aware of this aspect of the self and yet be unwilling or unable to admit that the child inside needs to grow up and enter the adult world…the only way to grow up, however, to truly develop the Self and to learn about one’s true needs and desires, is through relating.

The relationship with the Father has often played a crucial role in the formation of the strong outer ego shell and the soft, gooey baby that hides inside. The Saturn retro native may have not had a strong father figure in his or her life…the Father may have been absent (in physicality, mentally, or emotionally) and the retro native had to assume a strong protective role in the family…in essence, the Saturn retro individual may have had to father the self or others (siblings or even Mother). The longing for Father may have been made stronger simply because he was not available…or the child may have felt it was his or her fault that Father was not around. In some cases, the child may have blamed the Mother for the absent Father; if so, then trouble with both parents may have left the child not only fulfilling the role of Father but Mother too! The Saturn retro individual likely presented as very mature to outsiders in their teen and early adult years, which only led to more responsibility being heaped upon the seemingly strong shoulders. There wasn’t much room for emotional development…no time for crying and whining, no time to waste on being a child. The praise for being such a strong boy (or girl) reaffirmed the native’s path as an authority figure to others, one who could stand the heat and take charge when needed. Inside, however, inside the child cried out for attention and the Saturn retro individual told it to shut up and get on with life. But the child remains inside, locked up…swallowed by the Saturn retrograde defensive energy and longing to be free, to be loved, to really grow and express the self. Coming face to face with a person who can penetrate the defenses could throw the native into a whole new world, one where the navigation equipment is broken and the ego structure begins to crumble in the light of real love. It isn’t unusual to find a Saturn retro native who married very young only to find that their partner is not truly compatible or fulfilling for their Soul. They married because it was the socially acceptable thing to do, especially if they were having sex with the partner or if the lover expected that they would marry. This is another example of the Saturn retro individual being permeated and influenced by external sources. Eventually the individual will come face to face with a karmic lover or someone who really ‘gets’ them…who understands and accepts their vulnerability and true inner being…and this can happen whether they are married or not. Imagine the intensity of the meeting and the Soul longing of the Saturn retro individual when he (she) faces the one who could be the love of a lifetime only to find that he/she is shackled in a difficult marriage and yet, to do what society expects, he/she must remain with the spouse. To deny the lover and remain with the spouse, no matter how unsuitable, is another expression of how the Saturn retro energy turns inward and destroys (or prevents) the Soul from growing and evolving. By refusing to enter into a passionate love relationship that has the power to penetrate all the ego-defenses, the Saturn retro native denies his/her own Soul’s needs.

To overcome the burdens of the Saturn retrograde in the natal chart means to enter into the inferno…to let the Self feel, to let another person in, to surrender. Let the child be born and make peace with him…let the world crumble. Once the façade has been shattered, the Saturn retro native will realize that what was once feared is truly the path forward into the light…they will no longer desire to build inner defenses, they will instead work to turn the creative power held so tightly within out into the world…to shine the internal light and not hide it. The flames of passionate love may be the only power strong enough to crack the Saturn retro façade…but if they are unaware of this heavy energy working in their lives, they may run from Love when it is upon them…they may continue to shut the child in the closet and to build a personality that will keep others out. Becoming more aware, especially of their childhood difficulties and either their idolization of the Father or their anger toward the parents in general and how it is still affecting their life, is perhaps the most important way to open themselves to others. Surrendering the defenses allows the Saturn retrograde individual to become a shining light of true authority instead of denying life, instead of denying their power to create, to form, and to shape their own world…

We all have our share of intimacy fears that develop during our childhood and difficult early relationship experiences, but for most of us, our desire to be with another - to open our Self and share our inner being with someone - is much stronger than our fears. Because our inherent drive to be with someone is so powerful, we put ourselves out there and hope for the best. Through connecting with and interacting with others romantically, we get to know ourselves and learn about our own needs and desires when it comes to relating.

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posted June 06, 2011 07:53 PM            

That Saturn retrograde description makes me want to cry-it is so accurate.

The most profound statement was:
"the only way to grow up, however, to truly develop the Self and to learn about one’s true needs and desires, is through relating."

posted June 07, 2011 10:02 AM            

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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
Ok - I had it bookmarked (yay for being organised lol)

Here it is:

-- by Dena L. Moore http://www.throughnightsfire.com/LoveandSaturnRetrograde.html

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posted June 07, 2011 10:16 AM            

I knew something was wrong but could never put my finger on it... my longest relationship lasted three years, and I'm usually attracted to the emotionally unavailable people. Anyone who is available doesn't appeal to me. Of course my Saturn is in a lot of conflict natally which doesn't help, and all my planets from Mars - Pluto are retrograde.

going from relationship to relationship.. I met that karmic soul who broke my barriers then swiftly left. I was never so happy and myself with someone else before.

So I have been single for the longest time since then, which has been good but I don't want to get into another relationship for fear of being myself and getting hurt. But did learn how to draw boundaries from this heartbreak... which is an awesome thing and more empowering than not having boundaries and absorbing what is around you. It takes real inner strength... and if it wasn't for that person absolutely tearing my heart out when he left then I would still be on the same karmic path.

Interesting stuff!

posted June 11, 2011 12:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Stellar:
This article was amazing....I can relate to this almost entirely but my saturn is not retro. I wonder if it has anything to do with it being in the 12th. Thank you for this read it really helped me clarify some things Ive been feeling about my relationship.

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posted June 11, 2011 12:58 PM            

"The Saturn rising person will usually approach the world with a certain amount of
caution, as if on some level feeling that it is not a very safe place - certainly not safe
enough to venture out without wearing at least a little armour-plating. Typically, the
individual feels that he or she must be ready to defend him- / herself against possible disaster. I once looked after a boy aged about 11, with Saturn rising. Whenever we went out, he used first to go around the house, checking that the windows and doors were tightly bolted and that the plugs were all pulled out of the electric sockets. Thus his persona was a serious one. The immediate impression he made was of someone older
than his years and very responsible. At the same time, being so well defended, it was not
easy to see the vulnerable little boy underneath. The oldest in the family, he took on what he saw as the role of father when his parents divorced, and this is quite typical of a 1st house Saturn.

Margaret Thatcher, the so-called 'Iron Lady', has Saturn rising in Scorpio. She seems to have a very controlled persona, to have her guard up at all times. She doesn't seem very spontaneous. Satirists often portray her as being something of a heavy schoolteacher type, ready to discipline and control irksome cabinet ministers.

Because people with Saturn conjuncting the Ascendant do not see the world as a
particularly safe place, they often take steps to control the environment and those within it. They want to leave nothing to chance, and they want to be seen as being a person who 'never puts a foot wrong'. In fact, this insistence on never putting a foot wrong is a common Saturnian one, whatever the configuration.

The controlled responsible exterior may not necessarily be indicative of a particularly
responsible or serious person, but merely indicates that is the impression that the
individual initially makes.

Saturn rising is often associated with a difficult or delayed birth, as if the baby is
reluctant to come out and enter into the world. Perhaps this infant is controlling the
situation from the word 'go', or on some level feels he / she needs to. In any event, the caution about and fear of greeting the world naked and exposed seems to persist
throughout much of life.

posted June 11, 2011 03:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
I actually looked this up just the other day. I'll try to find the article I was reading.. You may have already seen it, though.

I'm not sure if anyone else has noticed this, but I feel a much stronger karmic connection with people who have Saturn Retro like my own. I know two different people with Saturn conjunct my Sun -- born a month apart.
One of them has Saturn Retro - I could almost swear I've met this person in previous lives... But I don't feel the same way about the Saturn direct person.

I think Saturn retro and Saturn direct - are very different energies. I don't even know where to begin describing the differences.

Also something like 40% of the population has Saturn retrograde, since it retrogrades for such a long period.. so it is very common. This is the only thing that threw me off... But I guess it is possible to say that you have more karma to resolve with that half of the population... or something along those lines.

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posted June 11, 2011 04:44 PM            

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Originally posted by stillatlarge:
I totally disagree with it because of the 'blame-the-victim" theme. There is a REASON we feel that way. There is a REASON we're afraid. She makes it sound like you can change it and it's our UNFOUNDED fear that's causing it. Nothing could be further from the truth. They try to do the same thing with 12th house Mars and Venus. People with 12th house Mars enter into secret relationships and act in secret because the world FORCES us to. We use cunning because we have no choice. It's like one of those little animals on the Discovery channel whose adapted to have a very powerful defense because they look like easy prey. You have to learn to embrace it after a while and not let them put this ignorant guilt trip on you for it. You can't fight them directly. You CAN'T. An example of this would be my much older MUCH larger Aries brother. I was a little girl. He was 100 lbs. heavier and 8 years older and a sadistic, relentless, violent bully. I had to learn to be sneaky and use my wits against him because it was the ONLY way to survive. I see the Saturn retro the same way. We don't IMAGINE the threat. It's [b]real and we have to protect ourselves and I'm very offended by people who make the assumption that writer does in that piece.[/B]

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posted June 11, 2011 05:14 PM            

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Originally posted by stillatlarge:
Maybe it disappeared for you as an adult but it doesn't for everyone. Your parents aren't the only ones with more power than you in life.

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