posted June 09, 2011 01:54 AM            

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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
Hi samsoule,

Thank you so much for answering my questions! I don't know anyone in RL who has this conjunction. It's interesting because I am also in love with a Scorpio Mars man, and it is likewise "not meant to be a true relationship" -- that's how it seems anyway. What sign is your conjunction in?

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It is in Sagittarius a close Mars-Neptune-Black moon conjunction opposite Saturn, trine Moon and sextile Pluto (I am 38 yo).
I am pleased to meet people with similar aspects to mine as we may find common psychological patterns and improve our understanding of them.

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Originally posted by Betty Boop:

Were there times in your life when you saw a man – and were attracted purely based on his physical appearance-body language… before a connection developed between you?

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posted June 09, 2011 04:59 AM            

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I am pleased to meet people with similar aspects to mine as we may find common psychological patterns and improve our understanding of them.

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Same here!!

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It is in Sagittarius a close Mars-Neptune-Black moon conjunction

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You know, sometimes the "down-side" descriptions in Mars/Neptune sound like descriptions I've read for Sagittarius Suns: half-baked pies, too idealistic, aims too high - can't achieve aim because it was unrealistically high and so forth.

I find it very cook-book though. It doesn't apply in day to day life to actual people. It applies on a very general level.

I think this Mars placement is very equipped at taking action in Neptunian areas.. like psychology, psychiatry, healing and other spiritually-driven endeavours.

posted June 09, 2011 08:10 AM            

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Originally posted by jupitersgirl:
Practically mars conjunct neptune makes someone idle imo. All dreams no action. This can drive someone like me crazy.
Edit: If you're lucky it's dreams, if you're not it's all delusions.

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Crabby Patty
See this post.This is what you were saying.

posted June 09, 2011 01:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
Hi samsoule,

How does Lilith come into the picture for you? That would bring more sexual magnetism in. Are people easily drawn to you?

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My Mars conjuncts Black moon and Sun conjuncts asteroid Lilith :-)

I believe it means the urge to integrate my feminine side, my unconscious is stronger than the average men ;-)

As to the sexual magnetism, I really do not know if Lilith plays any role! Lol

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Originally posted by jupitersgirl:
Practically mars conjunct neptune makes someone idle imo. All dreams no action. This can drive someone like me crazy.
Edit: If you're lucky it's dreams, if you're not it's all delusions.

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Each birth chart, each planet interaspect is exaclty what it should be for the soul incarnated. All of those aspects have a deep meaning and they are not intrinsically “good” or “bad”. Mars-Neptune may lead someone to express “idleness”, “no drive”, “dreams” and “delusions” as you wrote, but if this happens, then it has to be like that and it is perfect for the soul incarnated because this soul has to go through that state before integrating Neptune lessons. It is true that, sometimes, Neptunian people have difficulties to accept the limitations of this society and life down to earth, but they may also bring to you (non Neptunian people) deep collective emotions and a sense of belonging to something bigger than your little individuality. Neptune is the planet of Music (Arts in general), collective feelings, spirituality, and even sometimes Politics.

In my opinion, each Mars-Neptune people will show a wide range of behaviors from idleness to dream realization and “spirituality”(or sense of collective) at some point in their life. It is a work in progress because the way taken by the consciousness is not always straight…for all of us.

So, there is always a darker side to any planet depending of your level of consciousness...Jupiter in humanity, Jupitersgirl, has its own dark side unless you are God Jupiter itself ;-)

posted June 09, 2011 03:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Yes Darling Coffee
His chart is in Personal Readings
It is Crabby Patty titled "Why is this man so wimpy

Cap ASC and Cap Sun

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posted June 09, 2011 06:17 PM            

That being said, Bill Clinton's conjunction is in Libra as well.. but he has a strong Sun in Leo.. and the signs are sextile/compatible.

Every aspect depends on others and how they interact.

samsaoule,

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Each birth chart, each planet interaspect is exaclty what it should be for the soul incarnated. All of those aspects have a deep meaning and they are not intrinsically “good” or “bad”. Mars-Neptune may lead someone to express “idleness”, “no drive”, “dreams” and “delusions” as you wrote, but if this happens, then it has to be like that and it is perfect for the soul incarnated because this soul has to go through that state before integrating Neptune lessons. It is true that, sometimes, Neptunian people have difficulties to accept the limitations of this society and life down to earth, but they may also bring to you (non Neptunian people) deep collective emotions and a sense of belonging to something bigger than your little individuality. Neptune is the planet of Music (Arts in general), collective feelings, spirituality, and even sometimes Politics.

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I agree with this. I think people go through things in their own time. There's always an inside perspective and an outside perspective.

I've never seen an interpretation of Mars conj Neptune (from the positive ones that go overboard into saying you are a magician and the world is at your feet -- to the negative ones saying you are on your way to becoming a hopeless alcoholic) that really *gets* the energy of this aspect.

I'm always left wondering --

- Whether the astrologer has the conjunction themselves (which is highly unlikely, because it is usually way off the mark)

- Whether the astrologer has personally known someone with this conjunction (or is simply going on what "may" be the case and matching up the planets as they think best).
Often - if you take the energy of Mars and the energy of Neptune - the interpretation 'makes sense' in theory.. But that is simply not how it works in practice.

You can mix and match words.. when you interpret an aspect.. For instance Mars (action) matched with illusion (Neptune).. But there are so many mixes and matches ^ that - one of them *alone* will tell you 10% of the story, or less.
Another one would be Mars (physical energy).. Neptune (swimming) = good swimmer.
I mean there are endless possibilities. But other than mixing and matching, you also have to see how it plays out in the lives of different people.

- Whether the conjunction was either very well-placed or alternatively, afflicted in the charts they looked at... This can make a huge difference.

Some astrologers are so mesmerised by it.. like "woooow Mars/Neptune is the best thing since sliced bread" -- it's a bit overdone. On the other hand, others only mention the negatives, which is likewise overdone.
Perhaps this conjunction is very malleable depending on other aspects to it etc.

posted June 09, 2011 06:39 PM            

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Practically mars conjunct neptune makes someone idle imo. All dreams no action.

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I wanted to say something about action as well. I never take action in the primary area of life ruled by Mars (sex). It is genuinely - all dreams and no action in terms of sex. I can day dream for a life time and never have sex. (again, this is not at all a moral choice.. the "desire" is simply not there or not strong enough)
I only have sex when someone else makes a move and pushes things that way. The men I have been with have a strong Mars (always). They initiated strongly and really *pushed things* in that direction.

:edit: ^ About that, also.. Mars/Nept is the *most* likely of all placements to have sex out of pity. With my ex, I care about him and I know he is in love. I am not in love with him myself, but I didn't want to hurt him - so I went with it. :edit:

My best match is definitely Scorpio Mars though (another strong Mars). I am very submissive sexually (which again suits Mars/Neptune & the lack of action thing).

"Do what you like with me. I am all yours" - is my motto, once I'm in love. In my experience it's perfect for Scorpio Mars men because they are sexually dominant and like the feeling of you being *theirs* alone and no one else's.

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posted June 09, 2011 07:18 PM            

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Were there times in your life when you saw a man – and were attracted purely based on his physical appearance-body language… before a connection developed between you?

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posted June 09, 2011 11:01 PM            

JFK -

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either something is deeply pure and celestial, or something is really grotesque, filthy, evil.

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Imo.. Neptunian/Pisces influence sees everything (good and bad) as intertwined. Everything is a grey area. There are no boundaries to separate good and bad precisely. The Virgo/Mercury discrimination is lacking. This can be a problem actually… because there are almost no standards.
You are inclined to see serial murderers and spiritual leaders as being on the same journey and hence ‘not much different’ – in virtue of being human. People with stronger egos take offence to this, as they have a desire to be identified as special and better than the next person.
It depends on spiritual beliefs as well.. I’m more inclined to believe in reincarnation, in which case we have all been there at some point… I doubt anyone has a perfectly nice, “good” slate.. but that’s OK.. because it’s part of life.

I think oppositions give rise to these dichotomies. The Virgin/Wh0re… The God/Devil.. The Good/Evil… White/Black etc..
I can see it in my Venus opp Pluto for instance.. but the Mars/Nept conjunction is like a fruit puree… you can’t pick Mars apart from Neptune. They’re completely mashed and intertwined.

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posted June 10, 2011 02:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Betty Boop:

I'm always left wondering --
- Whether the astrologer has the conjunction themselves (which is highly unlikely, because it is usually way off the mark)

- Whether the astrologer has personally known someone with this conjunction (or is simply going on what "may" be the case and matching up the planets as they think best).
Often - if you take the energy of Mars and the energy of Neptune - the interpretation 'makes sense' in theory.. But that is simply not how it works in practice.

You can mix and match words.. when you interpret an aspect.. For instance Mars (action) matched with illusion (Neptune).. But there are so many mixes and matches ^ that - one of them *alone* will tell you 10% of the story, or less.
Another one would be Mars (physical energy).. Neptune (swimming) = good swimmer.
I mean there are endless possibilities. But other than mixing and matching, you also have to see how it plays out in the lives of different people.

- Whether the conjunction was either very well-placed or alternatively, afflicted in the charts they looked at... This can make a huge difference.

Some astrologers are so mesmerised by it.. like "woooow Mars/Neptune is the best thing since sliced bread" -- it's a bit overdone. On the other hand, others only mention the negatives, which is likewise overdone.
Perhaps this conjunction is very malleable depending on other aspects to it etc.
- Whether they personally had either extremely positive synastry or extremely negative/bad synastry with the Mars/Neptune person.
It sounds very subjective. Maybe it is difficult to maintain objectivity as an astrologer.
However I find that with this aspect in particular... perhaps people (astrologers included) are so emotionally involved that they cannot see it clearly.
Maybe it's not just the person with Mars/Nept who can have delusions (on the down side of the aspect)... but also there is an aura or something about the aspect - that leaves other people unable to see it clearly.
Do you think that's possible?

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Hi Betty Boop,

As I wrote before, the way people are going to live Mars-Neptune (or any other planet interaspect) will depend on their level of consciousness, their stage of psy/spiritual development.

Furthermore, an interpretation of Mars-Neptune by an astrologer will depend on the level of consciousness of the astrologer him/herself. Astrologers “not advanced/mature enough” as individuals will find difficult to open themselves to what we (try to) talk about. Spirituality? level of consciousness? What does it mean? They are just not yet ready to grasp what it means.
Stephen Arroyo, Liz Greene, Howard Sasportas and other great astrologers have very well described the energies involved in Neptune aspects. The Neptune archetype itself is probably beyond our understanding, but the energies, concepts and behaviours flowing from the archetype can be felt and understood to some extent (to our own limitations). There is a wide range of expressions and we (Neptunian people) probably cover both the down and high sides (in different proportions) of humanized Neptune in a life time.

As to the use of pejorative (/judgmental) terms like “wimpy guy” and how to detect them through their chart, I am wondering what kind of energy is behind such astrologers requests. Does this come out of love, hate, contempt or simple curiosity? Is this quest for an answer benevolent or malevolent? Astrology is a tool that can be used by all kind of people at all possible stages of their spiritual/psychological development, so we must be careful when reading astrology interpretations and (sometimes) when giving tricky information.

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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
Maybe it's not just the person with Mars/Nept who can have delusions (on the down side of the aspect)... but also there is an aura or something about the aspect - that leaves other people unable to see it clearly.
Do you think that's possible?

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I think Mars-Neptune people have an aura that can trigger intense reactions in others, as much attraction as repulsion. In particular because Mars can be so frustrated and angry against Neptune (without knowing the target) that it generates unconsciously aggressive waves around the native. Some of us may be accused of being passive aggressive or moody. The other way round is also possible, attracting, mesmerizing people with Neptunian waves ;-) Both expressions (and what’s in between them) are possible at different times for the same person. Observers may find difficult to understand our changing mood and “colourful” aura ;-)

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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
I wanted to say something about action as well. I never take action in the primary area of life ruled by Mars (sex) [.......]

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Thanks for sharing such private aspects of your life. It is very generous of you to share your experience, and very valuable.

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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
But at the same time, the lack of action thing does not work in other areas of my life. Mainly in my work/studies, where I have very clear plans and achievements.

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posted June 10, 2011 04:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
Imo.. Neptunian/Pisces influence sees everything (good and bad) as intertwined. Everything is a grey area. There are no boundaries to separate good and bad precisely. The Virgo/Mercury discrimination is lacking. This can be a problem actually… because there are almost no standards.
You are inclined to see serial murderers and spiritual leaders as being on the same journey and hence ‘not much different’ – in virtue of being human. People with stronger egos take offence to this, as they have a desire to be identified as special and better than the next person.
It depends on spiritual beliefs as well.. I’m more inclined to believe in reincarnation, in which case we have all been there at some point… I doubt anyone has a perfectly nice, “good” slate.. but that’s OK.. because it’s part of life.
I think oppositions give rise to these dichotomies. The Virgin/Wh0re… The God/Devil.. The Good/Evil… White/Black etc..
I can see it in my Venus opp Pluto for instance.. but the Mars/Nept conjunction is like a fruit puree… you can’t pick Mars apart from Neptune. They’re completely mashed and intertwined.

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My co workers sometimes mock/praise me when I do not jump on conclusions (even if it seems obvious) as they do when looking at people’s behaviours. I always say something like: “we do no know what’s the real purpose of this behavior” or: “who knows if it is good or if it is bad?”. I try as much as possible not to be judgmental and I think Mars-Neptune helps me a lot in that matter.

posted June 10, 2011 05:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
Coffee - Did you have a look at the thread ? Actually the conj is in Libra and square his Sun (and I think Crabby is a Cancer.. so that doesn't sound 'easy' in synastry). It might not be as 'good' as usual. Also Mars is detri. in Libra so Neptune could take over - making him seem perhaps too sweet/nice/feminine for a man (or at least from Crabby's perspective).
My Sun and Mars are exalted - and I can seem too masculine for a girl (specially in my career).. so I'm sure it also happens the other way around.

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posted June 11, 2011 03:24 PM            

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I'm really not sure why the secrecy... It must be a Neptune thing.
Have you ever been private to an extreme?

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Originally posted by samsaoule:
I can talk about my private life to people I have just met, it is not a problem for I have a strong need for truth and some kind of “intimacy”. But at the same time, I need to have my personal space respected and the possibility to withdraw from others. Freedom and respect are very important to me (Sun square Uranus, Aries Moon, etc.)
However, you are right, as a last resort, it is very difficult for me to open the very heart of my soul to people. It is as if I was working hard to open myself in being as true as possible and telling “others” intimate things because I actually try to reach this part of me who is at the heart of my soul, overprotected and finally not connected to others. I try hard to loose my grip on vulnerabilities and Neptune is here to help me whether I want it or not ;-) Because it is such a frustration not to be connected...

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posted September 23, 2020 08:04 PM            

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I do have very set out plans - as all Cap Mars people..

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this made me laugh, i have cap mars loosely conjunct neptune (it's also in a t-square that neptune doesn't touch with venus and mars and my ascendant/descendant axis and loosely conjunct my ic in the opposite direction as for neptune it sextiles my pluto and trines my sun, which also sextiles pluto and is square saturn) and "set out plans" isn't a thing i can even comprehend

nearly every action in my life is either taken out of sheer necessity, under pressure, or based on a spiritually guided whim (dreams and signs etc) and my only set plan really is to see where fate leads and what lofe has in store for me

i have no real interest in many material pursuits and only care about them in a means to an end sort of deal and even then it's about where life leads me not set goals

i feel like they get in the way of the ride and what's meant to be will be

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Originally posted by Yrone:
Well a bit of both. I should have phrased it differently hahah. But it does sound way more dramatic like that no?

See, for as long as I can remember, I always played battles and fighting, was fascinated with war strategy, loved martial arts. If you ask me who my favourite people in history are, there's going to be a bunch of military commanders among them.

Occasionally I do really dream of it as well.

I've heard there are some theories about what you are naturally good at is something you brought over from past lifes.

Oh and btw, you are going to like this :P
I have square between your two favourite asteroids

But not to worry, I am a very peaceful person, I don't even kill flies or spiders.

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i love military strategy and warfare etc too, find it fascinating and like to read books and watch videos about it

i love it the way i love medical oddities like deformities, parasites, rare illlnesses surgery videos etc

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posted September 24, 2020 03:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Hard to get motivated. Tend to get stuck in the fantasy of life rather than the hard practical work of attaining what you want(goals)

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posted September 24, 2020 06:44 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosion:
I wish Samsaoule was still here--they sound like a really interesting, more conscious, and deeper kind of person.

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