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Topic: Planets conjunct the MC ---Help Please
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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 11292 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted June 08, 2011 10:11 AM
OK I can kind of figure out planets conjunct the other angles. Tell me if I am right.A planet conjunct the ASC is that planet in your outward self. Conjunct the DSC--you look for it in others Conjunct the IC--it was the sense of your early home What does the planet do when it conjuncts the MC? Thanks so much!
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VenusDiSirius Knowflake Posts: 1087 From: Saturn's Punishment Room ;) Registered: Aug 2010
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posted June 08, 2011 10:29 AM
Guiding star. Final destination,the ideal self we'd like to become. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 11292 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted June 08, 2011 11:00 AM
quote: Originally posted by VenusDiSirius: Guiding star. Final destination,the ideal self we'd like to become.
Brilliant Thank you Venus. That helps a lot! ------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it . Jesus He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged |
Anemone Moderator Posts: 153 From: Registered: Oct 2010
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posted June 08, 2011 11:01 AM
I have almost all my personal planets there I suppose that's good news for me - and career/DESTINATION/life path in general is extremely important for me.IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 11292 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted June 08, 2011 11:14 AM
Tell me about your planets there Anemone!------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it . Jesus He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged |
Anemone Moderator Posts: 153 From: Registered: Oct 2010
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posted June 08, 2011 11:22 AM
Sun Moon (its in the 9th but practically on the end, so it can count as 10th as well) Mercury Venus (ok, Venus is at the end of 10th, so I count it as 11th as well) Jupiter And many Asteroids, like Lust for example on my Mercury It feels as I ve described above - a strong sense of Purpose (I am a Number 8 on Num as well), ambitious, and if you consider my leo ascendant conjunct Regulus as well...it is as if I cant avoid spotlight! I ve always been very career-driven and my aspirations exceeded personal goals - they had to do with pulic/social involvement as well. IP: Logged |
Anemone Moderator Posts: 153 From: Registered: Oct 2010
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posted June 08, 2011 11:23 AM
Lets just say i am Capricornised IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 11292 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted June 08, 2011 11:29 AM
What does Regulus do/mean?------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it . Jesus He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged |
Anemone Moderator Posts: 153 From: Registered: Oct 2010
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posted June 08, 2011 11:47 AM
Regulus (Lion's Heart - 'cor Leonis') is a Fixed star and one of the Royal Stars They are known as the Archangel stars being watchers of the four points of the compass. I quote:
"Regulus - (the star of kings) known as being the heart of the lion in the constellation of Leo, it is the most important of these four. The healing Archangel Raphael, the watcher of the North. Certainly, in Royal nativity's, Regulus is very important, regarded almost as a planet itself." The other are Fomalhaut, Alderbaran and Antares It is linked with: Nobility, royalty, ambition, alertness, great power, status, leadership, great honor but also sudden downfall. It is a Behenian Star IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 11292 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted June 08, 2011 11:50 AM
If anyone is there. Could you take a planet or two and tell me HOW it would be on the ASC,DSC,IC and MCCould you try Pluto or Saturn. Thanks so much ------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it . Jesus He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged |
Anemone Moderator Posts: 153 From: Registered: Oct 2010
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posted June 08, 2011 11:51 AM
Also, Aldebaran is 2 degrees shy of my Sun - I guess with one of the 'Pleiadian' lot we can count up to 2 degrees of conjunction? I am not sure, so I havent considered it yet. If we accept 2 degrees though, that means Caput Algol is on my Mercury and 4 degrees close to my Moon as well IP: Logged |
Rosalind Knowflake Posts: 105 From: Someday in London... Registered: Mar 2011
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posted June 08, 2011 11:51 AM
quote: Originally posted by Anemone: Regulus (Lion's Heart - 'cor Leonis') is a Fixed star and one of the Royal Stars They are known as the Archangel stars being watchers of the four points of the compass. I quote:
"Regulus - (the star of kings) known as being the heart of the lion in the constellation of Leo, it is the most important of these four. The healing Archangel Raphael, the watcher of the North. Certainly, in Royal nativity's, Regulus is very important, regarded almost as a planet itself." The other are Fomalhaut, Alderbaran and Antares It is linked with: Nobility, royalty, ambition, alertness, great power, status, leadership, great honor but also sudden downfall. It is a Behenian Star
I have this one. Venus in Leo at 29 degrees conjunct MC in Leo. I hope it's good for me.
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Anemone Moderator Posts: 153 From: Registered: Oct 2010
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posted June 08, 2011 11:52 AM
quote: Originally posted by Rosalind: I have this one. Venus in Leo at 29 degrees conjunct MC in Leo. I hope it's good for me.
Should be good. Mine is on the Ascendant. I think on the MC you are spared the negative part. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 11292 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted June 08, 2011 11:54 AM
I kind of understand Pluto in ALL 3 places EXCEPT the MC Could someone describe it on the MC,please?------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it . Jesus He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged |
MsCandeh Knowflake Posts: 552 From: Australia Registered: Jul 2009
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posted June 08, 2011 11:56 AM
Hi AmiIf this is of any help my Mars conjuncts my MC in 10th in Scorpio. (Mars 20 scorp, MC 18 Scorp). I have always been ambitious and very focused at work, and am finally in a job where they allow me autonomy and don't micromanage. Mars on the MC doesn't like to be micromanaged. I currently work full time, am about to start a degree in my field of work (not where I expected I'd end up - in IT - but still it resonates with my Aquarius AC!) I have always run small businesses outside of my regular job as well.. usually hobbies turned into money... sort of takes the fun out of the hobby though so they usually don't last too long.. but my latest has been going since about 2006, on a two year hiatus while I set up financially and get more experience Problems that i have found: 1. It's taken me a long time to finally focus on a career, even if its a career that is not really where I envisaged I'd be (I started a health degree in natural therapies!) My dream is to be my own boss, and I am embarking on a business degree (majoring in IT and Digital Design). Then again I fell into this job because I was good at data entry a fast typer and computer literate. It seems very fated, in fact this job was completely fated .. met my soul partner at work Not that it ended so well.. we still have ongoing energies 'talks' and communicate at work every couple of weeks (for work related stuff, but even on the phone the tension can be cut with a knife!) Anyway my Mercury in Aries/3rd is playing up and going on tangents.. (which can be annoying when I am trying to focus lol) So I am going to use this job/degree (my work is paying for this degree ! That is worth a lot of money!) as a stepping stone to setting up my own fully fledged business, while I dabble in business on the side. Currently I am running an ebay store reselling things after work. 100% feedback woohoo! 2. I can come across 'forceful' or 'aggressive' (in tone) when I am not meaning to be, usually when I am asking someone for help/a favour and usually I am not even feeling this way I am usually just being focused! This could possibly be my own warped perception of myself though. This has been a problem so instead I am aware that I usually come across really weak (because I don't want to offend anyone.. Moon in Libra here! This is totally conscious as well) I dont know if the 'aggressiveness' is just a Scorpio Mars or whether it is Mars on the 10th, or just a combination of them. There's a happy ending though. Over the last two years I have worked at using this energy positively in the work place and use this energy for confidence instead. People are actually starting to treat me with respect and listen to my ideas, and they still think I am a nice non-aggressive person. My self-esteem is much healthier for it (using the energy for confidence). I have always had manners and tried not to appear too aggressive as I am aware that I have a tendency to come across as firm, but I was compensating by being overly nice and timid.. so now after a lot of introspection it is a good mix after so many years. I think the Moon Libra in 9th really affected me there. It is semi-sextile my MC exactly. Mars is also natally retrograde. Does this make any sense to you?? IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius Knowflake Posts: 1087 From: Saturn's Punishment Room ;) Registered: Aug 2010
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posted June 08, 2011 03:41 PM
Every planet on MC has that shielding quality; when u reach it,it's like getting a new personality. It's lonely on the top situation. I noticed that many(I'll avoid to say all) r perceived/judged/experienced through that planet only. And not to mention ASC Ruler on/around MC. In my opinion,one is either ASC or MC.IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 11292 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted June 08, 2011 03:43 PM
quote: Originally posted by VenusDiSirius: Every planet on MC has that shielding quality; when u reach it,it's like getting a new personality. It's lonely on the top situation. I noticed that many(I'll avoid to say all) r perceived/judged/experienced through that planet only. And not to mention ASC Ruler on/around MC. In my opinion,one is either ASC or MC.
You are helping me MORE than you can know. Thank you ------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it . Jesus He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 11292 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted June 08, 2011 03:44 PM
Thank you McCandish I appreciate your explanation.It is hard for me to relate to Mars on the MC though ! lol------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it . Jesus He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 11292 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted June 08, 2011 03:45 PM
Dear Venus Please talk about Pluto in exact conjunction to the MC. Please give as many details as you can.Thank you so much in advance for your help!------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it . Jesus He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius Knowflake Posts: 1087 From: Saturn's Punishment Room ;) Registered: Aug 2010
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posted June 08, 2011 03:58 PM
The best example for MC Pluto,I am not sure whether u r into politics,is Vladimir Putin. As a general trait of MC Plutonians is self-sacrifice. They know what/when/how to give,but never to give up. Blind to everything that isn't their goal. As if they stand on slightly rised ground,so they see more than other. But,it's not a burden,not to them. Dismissive,cruel,like an animal biting its way through. When I think of them I see little monser hiding behind eyes-it isn't the matter of embracing one's dark side,it is about having it on leash and absolutely taming it . Quite interesting individuals. Never afraid to get dirty but never losing their dignity.IP: Logged |
maira Knowflake Posts: 416 From: Registered: Jun 2009
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posted June 08, 2011 04:08 PM
Ami, my book does not cover Pluto conjunct MC, but here are some great interpretations for Pluto in the 10th. (Donna Cunningham)
These placements show very difficult conditions with authority figures and most probably a parent who was oppressive, controlling, and perhaps even abusive. The result is deep-seated resentment toward people in power (maybe toward the whole world) and a determination never to be under the control of someone else. The bind is that these people are also very success-oriented, and it is difficult to succeed if they are forever setting up battles with the powers that be. The scorpion's sting means that they are usually the ones who wind up getting hurt. They may be playing with the Big Guys, who are born strategists, while their own resentments lead them to make ill-considered moves. Parents with this position who are not able to be poewrful in teh world may act out power needs on their children, repeating, in fact, what was done to them. Pluto in the tenth shows a critical, highly ambitious parent who respected nothing but BIG success and was never pleased with child-sized successes. The parental curse 'You'll never amount to anything' may have been frequently heard; and this Plutonian may go through repeated humiliating public failures in order to get even. This depth and degree of the fail for spite game is not fun!These people may be stubbornly resistant to healing, because all healing in some way represents being under someone else's power. Possibly it is best taken alone. Working through exercises on resentment could be very important. A healing career is quite possible - and they will have to heal themselves in the course of their studies! People who are freed form the negative manifestations of this placement, who are able to work with power in a clean way, can have a strong impact on the world, bringing about healing and reform. (Howard Sasportas) If we take the tenth house to represent the mother, then those with Pluto here may see her as dark, threatening and possessing the ability to destroy them. She can be experienced as a witch, or someone who is primeval, ruthless and manipulative. They may sense a seething anger and pent-up frustration or sexuality emanating from her. They feel as if she is always there, somehow watching them, even if she is not physically present. In short, she is felt to be dangerous and untrustworthy. However, in reality, she may not be this sort of person at all, but the child with Pluto here, in certain cases, may experience her predominantly this way. Or sometimes the early death or loss of the mother is the root of later problems in life.As covered in the general discussion of the 10th house, our earlier experiences of the mother (our first container) will contribute to the way in which we relate to teh larger container of society. If the image associated with a negative Plutonic mother is projected onto the world, then these people will fear that the world is a dangerous place intent on destroying them. Some with this placement may react to this by withdrawing from society and having as little to do with the world as possible. Others may compensate for their dread of being devoured with an obsessional need for power and control over others. Attempting to regain a lost sense of infantile omnipotence, they strive to extend their territory of influence to include as much of the world as they can. If they are in control, if they are the ones in authority, then they feel safe. Their need for power can be so consuming that any means will justify achieving those ends. Also, there is a distrust of anyone who has authority over them, a desire to dethrone or destroy those in charge before it's too late. For all these reasons, those with Pluto in the 10th need to re-evaluate and come to a deeper understanding of their underlying psychological motives for ambition, power or worldly success. Of course, the above description is a one-sided explanation of Pluto projected in a negative light. It is possible that the mother may carry a positive Pluto association. She could be viewed as the great bestower of life, and experienced as an exceptionally capable source of comfort and support through all the contingencies of daily life. Some people I know with this placement have watched the mother struggle successfully with a personal crisis or a severe life trauma, and were most impressed with her ability to manage hard times and come out the other side renewed and regenerated. She then become a positive prototype for later challenging experiences with which they had to contend. In this way, as adults with Pluto in the 10th they model qualities of strength, will and endurance to other people.Pluto's placement in the chart is where we periodically tear down, destroy or alter existing circumstances in order to create new ones. It is where we may be reduced to nothing in order to rise again. In some cases, Pluto here may indicate the loss or leaving behind of an established career and the necessity to embark on a new vocation of an altogether different nature. Those with Pluto in the 10th ultimately require a career which is deeply engaging, meaningful, and exciting. Either the work is of a 'Plutonian' nature or they approach the whole area of work with the kind of intensity and complexity associated with this planet. Some may be responsible for reforming existing institutions of society which are outworn or outdated. Other fields related to Pluto are those of medicine, psychology, and occult or psychic work, investigative sceince and journalism, politics, mining, atomic research, etc.. I have done charts for two people with Pluto in the 10th who were in jobs in which they were not allowed to reveal the exact nature of their work. Some may engage in careers which reflect socieity's shadowy side - such as prostitution, crime or underworld involvement.Occasionally, I have come across people with Pluto in the 10th who tell me that they have no ambition. After my talking with them for a while, it becomes clear that they still see themselves as 'small' compared to the big, powerful world (mother) out there. Usually, on some level, they are frustrated by the lack of influence they wield, or the unchallenging job they are already in. In certain cases, it strikes me that some people with Pluto in the 10th may not find their true vocation until they are more capable of using their power wisely and for the good of the larger whole, rather than for purely personal ends. (Stephanie Camilleri)
Extremely single-minded in doing what they want to do, those with Pluto in the tenth will let nothing stand in their way once they have decided what htey want to do and be. Sometimes this shows as a firm determination not to do what others want them to do, particularly in youth, before they know what it is they want. It is hard for them to know what they want in youth because it is often something very unique that rises out of the socio-economic-psychological nature of the times. No failures, however crushing; no sidetracks, however tortuous and time-consuming; no handicaps, however, cripping, can deter them from their ultimate goal once they have determined what it is. Their will grips onto the image of themselves in a certain role; and nothing, not even their own good sense, can change it. Their imagination builds castles in the air that they must drive themselves to make real. They are far-seeing, both back into the past and ahead into the future; and this can set them apart from their fellows and make them appear peculiar to others with more ordinary or immediate goals. There is apt to be quite a bit of lonelineess aloing the way until they find others who understand; and even when they do, the demands of their fate often require that they part company. This often testifies to a difficult start in life; the early loss of one or both parents, or similar external circumstances that shatter the peace and calm of the family and set them on their own, psychologically if not physically, at an early age. They are rarely seekers of power for its own sake, tending to be shy and constrained in front of groups; but they may seek it as a means to their own personal ends. They are capable of disregarding any and all ordinary demands placed on them by society, but are also capable of working nonstop around the clock for years toward their own personal goals, putting up with situations that would deter most others, if they feel that it will ultimately lead to their destiny. It is a partial testimony to a long, healthy life, particularly when their goal is one that cannot be reached in one lifetime, as though they can't take time out for sickness or death. If fate or fortune allows them to achieve their goal fairly early, they may die young. If there are oppositions to Pluto from the fourth, from the Sun, Mars, or Pluto's dispositor, they may die before their goal has been reached, or before they have found out what it is; but this is usually more due to the psychological stress of being so unique and lonely than to frustration over barriers in their path.They have magnificent imagination, almost a sixth sense about the nature of reality, that enables them to grasp the possibilities inherent in whatever it is that interests them.They have passionate love natures. Their lives may be filled with unique love affairs which may be long and drawn out. They may have to overcome barriers to possess their beloved; and this may go into old age, or happen more than once. (Ulla Palomaki) Pluto's position on the highest point of the birth chart signifies that its transformative power is directed mostly to work, career and social position.Because of Pluto's demanding nature, career expectations may be very high, even megalomaniac. The individual expects that he will reach some exceptional goals, and often does realise them. Parental expectations about the career of the child may be in a central position. Perhaps they demand too much of the child, possibly to realise something they themselves didn't do. Parentlay ambitions may be a heavy burden on the child, who feels pressured to do something grandiose in the eyes of the parents. Parental ambitions are felt in the unconscious of the child as: "I must be somebody", "I must have power or a high social position", "Life depends on social position". Sometimes the attitude is much more negative: "I oppose all authorities", or "I fear people in power".Regarding social position there is often a love-hate relatioonship with emotional involvement. Questions of authoirty and control are strong, and influence the destiny of the individual. Hatred toward controlling individuals inherited from childhood may lead to a powerful desire for control so that nobody will be able to control him any more.The power complex is related to this aspect. The individual may not relaise its mechanism and how it influences his choices and directions in life. He may admit that he has a peculiar attitude toward people who are in positions of authority. This power complex and all the causes underneath should be examined to avoid career complications. A subconscious power complex may lead to avoidance of all contact with authorities, so that professional self-realisation becomes difficult.Because Pluto leads easily to extremes, the individual often feels that social position is hard to get. He blames everybody else and society for that. It may seem that fate denies social position and status. Drastic changes happen sometimes. To improve the situation, it is important to find the roots of the problem and to find a personal motivation for work.Usually Pluto's position on the Midheaven signifies strong ambition and the ability to build a successful career. In fact, the attitude toward career may be rather obsessive. The individual has a tendency to identify himself with his career or social image. (Pluto is sometimes very symbiotic.)The collective nature of Pluto indicates that some individuals will have a large sphere of influence - a large audience with or without a transformative impact. Surprisingly, their role may be rather superficial. In show business there are many influential people with this aspect. One of the most famous television show hosts in France has it, and he has kept his position for years. An influential position in show business today means a lot of power. That's why it is so appealing to many Pluto in the tenth house people.At best, professional life is related to secrets, revealing or digging up the unconscious. Working with nuclear energy is Plutonian but questionable. According to a French astrologer, Jean-Pierre Nicholas, the person may be 'hierophnant of the unexplained'. This is a suitable planetary position for healers, therapists and thos who function as channels for change.The individual's fate may include scandals and revelations, sometimes caused by evil practices, immoral actions and manipulation; but sometimes the person is not at fault.
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VenusDiSirius Knowflake Posts: 1087 From: Saturn's Punishment Room ;) Registered: Aug 2010
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posted June 08, 2011 04:12 PM
Maira,do u have Venus on Mc??IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 11292 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted June 08, 2011 04:21 PM
quote: Originally posted by VenusDiSirius: The best example for MC Pluto,I am not sure whether u r into politics,is Vladimir Putin. As a general trait of MC Plutonians is self-sacrifice. They know what/when/how to give,but never to give up. Blind to everything that isn't their goal. As if they stand on slightly rised ground,so they see more than other. But,it's not a burden,not to them. Dismissive,cruel,like an animal biting its way through. When I think of them I see little monser hiding behind eyes-it isn't the matter of embracing one's dark side,it is about having it on leash and absolutely taming it . Quite interesting individuals. Never afraid to get dirty but never losing their dignity.
I think that animal is hiding inside me ------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it . Jesus He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 11292 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted June 08, 2011 04:21 PM
Thank you Maira I will study it ------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it . Jesus He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged |
maira Knowflake Posts: 416 From: Registered: Jun 2009
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posted June 08, 2011 04:29 PM
quote: Originally posted by VenusDiSirius: Maira,do u have Venus on Mc??
Nope, it's in my 7th. I have a tight sun-venus-mars stellium in the 7th. My MC is in Cancer, the Moon is in the 8th. All I have in the 10th is my lousy Leo NN, who's making me walk on stages, ever though I don't really want to. Also, Putin is the poster child for Pluto conjunct MC! Good one. IP: Logged | |