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KarkaQueen
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posted June 25, 2011 04:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KarkaQueen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Surely it had to be something in the 'astrological' air.

Sorry, that was cheesy.

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posted June 25, 2011 05:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dinobleue9     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Probably because it was easier to get away with. There is too much technology today.

But thank God!!

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posted June 25, 2011 06:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AstrologicalMan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
because in the 70s and 80,s there was no internet. Serial Killing has been prevalent throughout the ages. It has only recently dissipated with the emergence of the internet and with graphic video games and movies for potential serial killers to channel that energy into.

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posted June 25, 2011 07:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mblake81     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by AstrologicalMan:
because in the 70s and 80,s there was no internet. Serial Killing has been prevalent throughout the ages. It has only recently dissipated with the emergence of the internet and with graphic video games and movies for potential serial killers to channel that energy into.

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posted June 25, 2011 07:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MsCandeh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank goodness for violent video games LOL!!!

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Nightingale
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posted June 25, 2011 07:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nightingale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Were there? The first serial killer which popped into my mind when I read this was the washington sniper - that was 2002

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posted June 25, 2011 08:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls**     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There are serial killers all the time, they just got more media attention in the 70s/80s.

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posted June 25, 2011 08:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls**     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_serial_killers_by_country

As you can see, there are several serial killers outside of the 70s/80s. The Craigslist Killer comes to mind as well as one that was active for 20 years and recently got caught... he just didn't get media attention because his targets were black women instead of nice white girls.

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posted June 25, 2011 09:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aya_and_baby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by AstrologicalMan:
because in the 70s and 80,s there was no internet. Serial Killing has been prevalent throughout the ages. It has only recently dissipated with the emergence of the internet and with graphic video games and movies for potential serial killers to channel that energy into.

And then there are people who claim that violent video games make people MORE violent! Hah!

Anyway, I was going to say it was Pluto's fault, but Pluto was in Libra until the early 80's...

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posted June 25, 2011 09:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MsCandeh:
Thank goodness for violent video games LOL!!!

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posted June 25, 2011 11:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls**     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Violence in video games don't make people more or less violent. I wonder where you got that information.

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posted June 25, 2011 11:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls**     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_murderers_by_number_of_victims

Easier to see the years active with this chart

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posted June 25, 2011 11:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aya_and_baby:
And then there are people who claim that violent video games make people MORE violent! Hah!

Anyway, I was going to say it was Pluto's fault, but Pluto was in Libra until the early 80's...



I was thinking Pluto also, but not transits.. The killers in the 70'80's has natal Pluto in Leo.. In the 70.80's. They would have been 20-30ish

Im thinking pluto in Leo or Cancer must me a a rough place..

I know this generation and me.. Most of their Pluto's are dead on my Leo Stellium..
I had soooo many issues with this generation..

This generation was my teachers,mom, aunt, mom's friends... etc...

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posted June 25, 2011 11:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MsCandeh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All jokes amowls.

I would probably agree with the publicity thing, though I find living in such an overly cautious , red-taped world that people (in general) probably tend to be more aware of the potential dangers out there anyway. Safety was honed into us as kids, not like when my parents were kids and the world was more trusting, where people used to not worry about locking the doors and such. I drive with my door locked a lot of the time because I always hear about carjackings. No way that is going to happen to me.

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posted June 25, 2011 11:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MsCandeh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As a second thought, I have an interest in lots of True Crime books, specifically serial killers. Anyone visitng me probably thinks I am a crazy person with all my astrology, true crime and paranormal books in my bookshelf I try and intersperse them with more lighthearted books though lol.

I would assume more is published on them now as well compared to back then (and earlier), creating awareness.

Hitchhikers and prostitutes in general were a lot of serial killer's targets. In one case I was reading recently, it was a hitchhiking prostitute who was killing men who'd stop to pick her up. People just don't do that as much anymore.. yes they do it, but people aren't as trusting.

Also, enter the age of mobile telephones. If your car is broken down you are more likely to call for roadside assistance (like RAC or whatever it is in your state/country) or a friend or relative, rather than hail down a stranger.

I am talking about serial killers not mass murders like gun shooting sprees or anything. That is completely different.

I don't know what astrological influence this would be caused by.

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posted June 25, 2011 11:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MsCandeh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also, in the case of Fred West, he took in disadvantaged people and I won't go into details but he was charming and lovely and took them under his wing. He managed to get away with it for years. His first was in the 60's and he was caught in the late 80's.

Cases like this are more hard to determine whether incidents have gone down because often they will go on for decades before being caught. We just don't know about it yet.

Also when an incident happens, with forensic technology more advanced, when detectives do get enough leads that usually stops the serial killer in his tracks (for whatever reason, eg continual surveillance and being caught, or being caught for other crimes that dont account for killing but often they will assault someone, the victim gets away, and with such forensic technology the person is caught and justice served before any more harm is done). Such is the case with a serial killer in this city back in the mid 90's. They honed in on someone and monitored him for years. The killings stopped. Not enough evidence to convict him, but the leads were enough to stop him doing it (or they managed to convict him for something else). Makes the general public worry though, and people became more cautious.

Australian serial killers, the birnies, were putting fear into the people in this city in 1986. They only got caught when the last victim escaped. Again, most of the victims were picked up off the side of the road because they were hitchhiking or stranded.

This kind of thing doesn't happen as much anymore 1. because of more awareness and 2. because of the advances in technology.

Also, I think when awareness wears off (when the incidence of these events happening go down and aren't publicised as much anymore) then people becoming complacent may encourage these incidents to rise again. It's most likely a cyclical thing too.

Still not sure what astrological influence it would be.

I still think it would be down to someone's personal disposition / environment.
Maybe highlighted by transits. In the case of the Birnie's it was the fateful event of these two people meeting and falling in love. So I guess it could be in the stars on a personal level for these potential serial killers, but I am not sure on a generational level.

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posted June 25, 2011 01:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls**     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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This kind of thing doesn't happen as much anymore

I don't think it happens less often at all.

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posted June 25, 2011 02:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MsCandeh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I personally have not heard of a lot of tales of hitchhikers / stranded people suffering this fate as often as in the past.

JMO. It could be different in different areas though, but I know people here are aware. I don't have a problem bringing up the topic in conversation and my understanding is that people are more cautious nowadays than they were back then.

As I was saying before, I am not discussing a situation like Fred West as they were moreso lured into the situation for sometimes months before they were actually killed. And as these sorts of killers go around for years sometimes decades before they are caught, we may hear of more in the future I don't know.

I'm not saying it doesn't happen, I am just saying the occurence seems to be less so regarding your run-of-the-mill serial killer who goes around just picking random people.

I understand there was occurances of prostitutes turning up dead in NYC recently. Did they end up catching the guy? There was something like 7 or 14 of them last time I heard? (can't remember which number!)

I know that it does happen, but I definitely think we have become a more isolated society (due to technology) which has lowered the incidence of these events somewhat. I haven't personally done a study but I am just going on my own thoughts and observations.

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posted June 25, 2011 08:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Don't worry there are still psychos. Remember Josef Fritzl (b.1935). I believe he locked his sick mother in her room and left her there to die, boarded up the windows. Raped some nurse somewhere, kept his daughter trapped in a makeshift dungeon for 10+ yrs and made her deliver his grandchildren, at least 3, and he killed one of em who was sick cos he didn't want to take that one to the hospital, I think he put that one in the incinerator.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritzl_case

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posted June 25, 2011 09:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Benedict Moon*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What everyone else said. It was easier to get away with it back then. It still happens today, but they usually get caught before it gets really prolific.

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posted June 25, 2011 10:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I seriously regret reading the wikipedia on Fritzl... holy that really traumatized and disturbed.

Going to go vomit now...

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posted June 25, 2011 10:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BeholdAstarte     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ed gein was a virgo. his rising was in gemini with pluto closely conjunct the ascendent with jupiter and neptune on the cusp of the 1st second.. his moon is also in sagitarius. saturn in the 10th
jeffrey dahmer was a gemini. with aries moon and libra rising with his moon directly opposing his ascendent. i think he had some harsh aspects to pluto to his sun/merc/and venus. neptune was also in his first house.


john gacy had a pisces moon but practicly at a cusp of ariesbut its conjunct his sun..and a sag/scorpio cusp rising. his pluto is opposing his venus in the 3rd/8th house.. maybe his leo pluto in the 8th house has some doing

theres a lot of mutable signs going on... maybe that has to do with that generation being born with pluto virgos and pluto leos and ive noticed fire signs.. maybe making there repressed desires acted out...plus water planets or signs.. making contributing to repressed hurts

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posted June 26, 2011 12:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Saraintheski     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Richard Kuklinski killed possibly 200 men violently I believe he was an aries with a leo moon Sun Aries 20.57
Moon Leo 2.26
Mercury Aries 5.15
Venus Taurus 24.36
Mars Libra 14.02 R
Jupiter Scorpio 21.42 R
Saturn Pisces 6.26
Uranus Taurus 0.49
Neptune Virgo 12.14 R
Pluto Cancer 23.51
Lilith Leo 29.42
Asc node Capricorn 27.19
He never killed a woman or child mostly people who just looked at him wrong or for money ..

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posted June 26, 2011 01:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PlutoSquared:
I seriously regret reading the wikipedia on Fritzl... holy that really traumatized and disturbed.

Going to go vomit now...


At least you can look at his pic and say "evil", the ones that scare me are the common looking types, or, gasp, even good looking.

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posted June 26, 2011 10:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls**     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I personally have not heard of a lot of tales of hitchhikers / stranded people suffering this fate as often as in the past.

Serial killers don't just target hitchhikers, they also go for prostitutes or drug addicts: easy prey. No one would notice or care if they disappeared. And trust me, it still happens all the time. Just because a prostitute getting murdered doesn't make headline news anymore, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

The flavor of the decade for News Media are sex scandals. In the 90s it was kidnappings. 80s it was serial murders.

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