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cappy1277
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posted June 28, 2011 01:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cappy1277     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Please bear with me...lol.

I want to check out a first meeting chart but I have two. One for the first time we got together and then 5 months passed where we didn't speak or see each other. I drew up another "first" meeting chart and we have been ever since. Obviously I should use the 1st chart but could I actually use the 2nd chart since that was the start of our relationship?

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posted June 28, 2011 01:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dysfunctionalmystic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'd be tempted to look at both. It may be that the initial "separation" shows up in the first?

The composite and davison will show your relationship as an entity in itself. I'd use the "transit" charts more as an oracle type thing. Have you checked both charts against the composite and davison? Is it davison or davidson?

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posted June 28, 2011 02:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cappy1277     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
its davison.

the first chart is actually my solar return. so of course the sun is conjunct sun in the 1st 1st meeting chart, along with venus & mercury & north node. My natal venus is conjunct neptune & jupiter & pluto is conjunct my mars. moon & mars is conjunct my saturn. for him moon is trine 1st meeting moon and sun, mercury and venus is trine 1st meeting saturn. In the 2nd meeting chart, the angles are the same as his.

the first chart shows nothing but squares except for moon sextile uranus. But there is a grand trine in the 2nd chart with sun, north node & vertex. venus is conjunct the IC and moon conjunct the asc with saturn in 7th house with vertex. that chart seems a little easy going but not without problems.

as far as the composite with transits goes, saturn is creeping up on the desc.(desc ruler in 11th) (right now its conjunct vertex) transit sun coming up on the IC. Saturn in 11d away from davison desc. and the sun will conjunct davison IC soon enough.

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posted June 28, 2011 02:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dysfunctionalmystic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's interesting that the 2nd chart is better than the 1st...I did wonder if it would be. Kind of like the heavens giving you the go ahead.

Saturn could be about to say get serious or separate or maybe work/other responsibilities are going to come into play and just interfere with the fun stuff.

Is there any possibility that where you both live will become an issue? Or actually living together?

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posted June 28, 2011 02:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cappy1277     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
funny you ask that...while we haven't talked about living together (even though I stay at his for about 2 days a week & treat it like my 2nd home) I am looking to move out of my sister's house sooner rather than later. Very toxic environment. But he has been helping me house hunt for myself. At one point, I was scratching my head thinking to myself- it wouldn't be so bad to live together. 2 incomes are better than 1 & he doesn't have steady income but I do. He has a big house with plenty of room....but I come with baggage & our relationship is ambiguous. Even though we've been together over a year, we still don't know where we're heading. We're both so busy trying to accomplish our goals (his business,my education) it just seems secondary. All we can say is that we're going to be together for a long time.

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posted June 28, 2011 08:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would use the second chart... Its a new event..
I agree the first chart has played out,in which ever way it did, you separated, and then reunited months later..

I think if you move into the "next step" then a new event chart could be created

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posted June 28, 2011 09:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cappy1277     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks lioness- that's exactly what I was thinking.

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posted June 28, 2011 11:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ive looked into this also...

Gem is the only person I know the first meeting time... I also made sure to make a point to note the time of our reunion..
Which was 12 years later...
The charts are similar, but opposite..

Thats pretty close to how we have been, its been different.. and the "feelins" that were there back then, are not like they were..
Plus we had sooo much fun together..
But now I feel like... I just cant... I keep saying I cant I cant I cant.. We both just seem to say I cant... but IDK we still sometimes see each other...

The chart is opposite..

The thing I found the most interesting is in the reunion chart Neptune is exactly conjunct Chiron both in RX in H3..

We discussed and argued and worked through, the hurt that we both caused each other.. Which neither of us was aware of how much the other person was hurt..

Man when we reunited RX was in a frenzy!
Venus,Uranus,Jupiter,Neptune,Chiron.
We went back and dealt with all this issues with each other...

When we first met Rx planets were
Mercury,Pluto,Neptune,Uranus,Jupiter

Both charts have venus conjunct mars
first time cancer, 2nd scoprio

First chart to 2nd chart
asc Gem/Sag
Pluto H7/H1
Nn conjunct merc/ NN conjunt pluto

Theres more.. but I dont wanna bore you

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posted June 29, 2011 12:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cappy1277     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow...that is so interesting! Its amazing how its written in the stars!

The one thing I noticed in both charts is that the 7th house rulers are both retrograde- mars 1st & mercury 2nd. Saturn in 7th is also retro in 2nd chart along with pluto retro in 10th. The one thing that looks a little concerning regards to 2nd chart is moon conjunct uranus & jupiter in 1st house opposing saturn in 7th. Its unconventional in the sense of how it began. Long story...lol.

My gemini moon is always inquisitive so I'm never bored

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posted June 29, 2011 12:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cappy1277     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
1st chart is libra rising with venus conjunct IC. Cap IC ruler conjunct AC. 2nd chart venus is conjunct IC again . North node is conjunct my sun & juno conjuncts my moon opposing his moon. All the angles in 2nd chart are same as his +/- a few degrees.

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posted June 29, 2011 12:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Have you done a synastry with the two charts..
I was AMAZED!! Try it.. mine was unbelievable..

Post the two charts as a synastry.. I wanna seeeeeee lol

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posted June 29, 2011 09:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cappy1277     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
will do...lol

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posted June 29, 2011 09:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cappy1277     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
here are the first meeting charts as synastry

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posted June 29, 2011 09:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cappy1277     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
here's our synastry just in case...

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posted June 29, 2011 04:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cappy1277     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
the one thing that i noticed in both charts is that the moon is conjuncting another planet that in turns conjuncts the same planet in the other chart...lol. interesting. also sun conjunct north node in 1st chart is again conjuncting the north node in 2nd chart.

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posted June 29, 2011 05:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Chart 1 has mercury Rx.. Was there some lies?
Chart 2 has Saturn in Rx.. Time to go back and re visit it?? Its in Chart 1 2th house.. Did some secrets come out?

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posted June 29, 2011 05:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cappy1277     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oh gosh...our relationship ensued so much drama from other people. basically it was something that should've never started but there was definitely something at play that made us come together. it was horrible what we had to go through. Never had to defend my actions like that and a lot of hurt feelings came out of it. nothing was ever intentional but it just happened. that's the reason for the 5 month gap between 1st & 2nd meeting. My ex said of a lot of things of us being together and said that I was stupid for getting involved with him- said it would never last & that i was being used and just another notch on his belt. He not too long ago just found out that we are still together.

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posted June 29, 2011 06:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cappy1277     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
both charts make references to attraction & sex...moon conjunct mars & moon conjunct uranus

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posted June 29, 2011 06:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by cappy1277:
both charts make references to attraction & sex...moon conjunct mars & moon conjunct uranus


Well thats nothing to complain about!!

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posted June 29, 2011 06:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cappy1277     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
definitely not...lol

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posted June 29, 2011 06:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I tried to feel the same about Gem.. but I cant get that back.. To much time maybe (12 years) to much hurt between us... IDK....
But we still see each other from time to time.. I saw him this past Sat night..

I hope you have better luck

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posted June 29, 2011 08:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cappy1277     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Emotional pain can definitely dull the chemistry between people. That how it was with my ex. We spent many years together but it was so hard to feel happy or satisfied with all the hurt. My so has breathed new life into me. I'm a firm believer that everyone that comes into our lives does so for a reason, whether to be a teacher or a student. There is no one on this planet that I have come in contact with that I wasn't supposed too.
Lioness- one day you may have better luck than me <3

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posted June 29, 2011 09:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ahhh thanks hon....

I know Gem's not the one though.. Hes toooo needy... for me now..
He's a lot more cancerous...... He expects me to just give and give.. I cant do that... I dont have it in me...

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posted June 29, 2011 10:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cappy1277     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lol- cancerous. Its the same as the disease and the sign. They will eat right thru you & destroy you if they are not aligned with you spiritually & emotionally. I had 2 cancer ex's that tried to do me in....very toxic.

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posted June 30, 2011 02:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nordicsoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by cappy1277:
Please bear with me...lol.

I want to check out a first meeting chart but I have two. One for the first time we got together and then 5 months passed where we didn't speak or see each other. I drew up another "first" meeting chart and we have been ever since. Obviously I should use the 1st chart but could I actually use the 2nd chart since that was the start of our relationship?


magi astrology says that you can use as many as you want and the most important is always the one that represent the most imortant event. marriage more important than the first time you slept together, and becoming a couple more important that the first meeting...etc

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