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posted July 01, 2011 05:58 PM            

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My mars in scorpios squares my Saturn in Aquarius I can tell you it's more of a pain in the butt than anything... astro says that people with this aspect sometimes the world seems cruel, unfair and unforgiving to them so sometimes they thesmelves can become bitter... I can be somewhat bitter :/

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posted July 01, 2011 06:01 PM            

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My mars in scorpios squares my Saturn in Aquarius I can tell you it's more of a pain in the butt than anything... astro says that people with this aspect sometimes the world seems cruel, unfair and unforgiving to them so sometimes they thesmelves can become bitter... I can be somewhat bitter :/

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Yeah, that's what I was getting at in my original post. It can be their response against all the hard lessons they were dealt in early life. There was actually another thread about this aspect, and I posted a link that well illustrated the gist of how this aspect works. Let me see if I can find it again.

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posted July 01, 2011 07:02 PM            

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Yeah, that's what I was getting at in my original post. It can be their response against all the hard lessons they were dealt in life. There was actually another thread about this aspect, and I posted a link that well illustrated the gist of how this aspect works. Let me see if I can find it again.

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Also mars conjucnts my pluto (scorpio) idk how strong my scorpio mars is with that saturn aquarius in the 12th house my mars in the 9th almost in the 8th and almost everything in the 8th ...

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posted July 02, 2011 11:22 AM            

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I would not generally put ruthlessness down to any one aspect or sign,however as we are looking at aspects and to specifiy on it then there is one I would specify and that is mars square pluto.
I would say mars pluto especially hard aspects. Saturn pluto is more about deep disapppointment and mars saturn is more about discipline, whereas mars pluto is an internal volcano, cross that one at your peril.

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posted July 02, 2011 11:52 AM            

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missed u my bull sister!

venus,

i think i do. but it's very hard to observe on myself even more so on other people. how do you even figure out who has a rectangular head LOL!

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missed you too!

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posted July 02, 2011 12:01 PM            

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So---could you say that Mars/Saturn and/or Pluto/Saturn in hard aspect COULD be responsible for cruelty?

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posted July 02, 2011 12:01 PM            

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So---could you say that Mars/Saturn and/or Pluto/Saturn in hard aspect COULD be responsible for cruelty?

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posted July 02, 2011 12:14 PM            

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I can relate to the perpetual rain cloud over one's head. It feels like the more I push to succeed the more obstacles come up. Apparently I have succeeded somewhat but it's not good enough lol

As all this sits on my MC, and I tend to push HARD to get what I want, maybe I feel that moreso than in others charts? Saturn and Mars are both retrograde (actually, all of my planets from Mars - Pluto are retrograde.. erggh no wonder I am so hard on myself!) so I would agree that I do this more inwardly. People watch me tear myself apart through analysing and pushing to achieve and seemingly not getting anywhere (though I might be but I just see it as constant pushing Sh*t uphill). It is utterly frustrating.
So thats where my raincloud is lol... some people understand. Most dont. I appreciate Benedict Moon*'s comment so much!

Even with my self-destructive tendancies I will never actually be mean or destructive to others. Usually I am just so hard on myself that I overcompensate by trying to constantly say the right thing, try SO hard to be sensitive, compassionate etc.. that it wears me out. I try to listen and be there for others even though I am naturally a bad listener ... and I keep up friendships and relationships with people well past their expiry dates!! Ruthless just isn't in my dictionary.

When I read lonake's description I was thinking that I am not as hard as that at all, but other planets may modify how this aspect plays out.
My Mars /Saturn opposes my Venus/Sun so I have all that crap to deal with too.. and go between the dark cloud, then realise I am being like that so I try really hard to be happy and put on smileys. People realise I am not all doom and gloom but when seriously everything is going wrong no matter what I do then I find it really hard to by the happy shiny person I know I am.
With this godforesaken house settlement I have pushed and pushed and pushed.. it seems the people who were trying to help me have gotten either ****** off with me or have put up a wall. I feel like they have turned on me when it is probably that I can't push them anymore to get it through. So to destress I just gave up caring about it. Weight lifted off shoulders. Whatever happens happens. And I think that is probably a good way to deal with a Mars/Saturn aspect (in particular the conjunction) .. use your Mars to sow the seeds and tend a bit but then let it go. Thats what saturn is about anyway. The more you push, the more you will meet resistance.

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posted July 02, 2011 01:52 PM            

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I've actually met/known of many other Mars/Saturn people who are similar. For me personally, I couldn't treat anyone the way I was treated in earlier times...I wouldn't wish that on anyone. I do lose respect for people who CAN help themselves but won't, but if someone is truly defenseless then I have no problem standing behind them.

I dunno, its really hard for me to take this aspect lightly because it really SUCKS all around, to the point that not even your own dad supports you. I mean, most people's fathers helped them confront their fears when they were young, while mine just totally threw me in front of mine and under the bus. To this day he becomes vindictive everytime I re-assert my independence Not whining about it today, but its annoying that he could still want me to be attached to him when I can even get a single dime of tuition help because he's p*ssed off about something I probably did last Christmas but did not remember. Its like he enjoys me being at mercy. Its almost sick.

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posted July 02, 2011 02:11 PM            

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So---could you say that Mars/Saturn and/or Pluto/Saturn in hard aspect COULD be responsible for cruelty?

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Adolph Hitler...Saturn in Leo, conjunct MC from the 10th, square a Mars-Venus conjunction in Taurus. Also no Water planets or AC. Loveless motherf**ker.
His Pluto makes no major aspects in his chart, as far as I can tell

See for yourself: http://www.astrotheme.com/portraits/77F8T58PnLaJ.htm

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posted July 02, 2011 02:13 PM            

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no, wait..his Pluto makes a quincunx to his Moon..the quincunx can definitely make nasty feelings fester, especially a quincunx between Pluto and Moon, two very intensely emotional/instinctual water planets

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posted July 02, 2011 02:25 PM            

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I have a very wide (8 degree) Saturn-Mars square. I'm not a ruthless person because I'm very fanatical in the fact that I REFUSE to step on others to get what I want (my Mars is in the 9th and I value people). However, I am very bluntly honest (to a fault), and this can make me come across as "ruthless." I never intend to hurt anyone... I just call a spade a spade.

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They seem really awkward about sexuality, as well..they either dismiss any romantic implications, and see it as something purely physical, or don't care about it at all.

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I think this is SEMI-true, but more in the sense that I am reserved and so people seem to automatically assume that I don't care about it at all. I DO, but I'm not overly demonstrative initially.

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posted July 02, 2011 02:28 PM            

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Anyway, thank you for all the posts so far..pretty much confirm my theory. My ability to get into others' skin via intuition never ceases to amaze me. I am a Pisces Sun, Venus, Mercury, by the way, with a Saturn-Neptune conjunction in Capricorn, sextile Pluto in Scorpio..so I guess my intuition rarely fails.

I have nothing personal against these people,really, but if they lash out at me...it's a war statement.
One way or another, I always win. It is good to be a Neptunian in a world that doesn't believe in ghosts anymore. hehe.

Vengeance aside, though..my general "objective" observation about those with the hard aspects between Saturn and Mars is that they tend to make up problems out of thin air, which is incredibly annoying.
I assume the soft aspects make it possible for them to endure hardships or work hard WHEN and only WHEN they have to..but the hard aspects are, like some pointed out here, walking around with a dark cloud over their heads.

The person I was talking about with the conjunction actually has both Neptune and Saturn conjunct his Mars, in Libra, all square Uranus..worked as a weapon engineer. Totally cold and boastful about his toughness. Also a Cap Sun, Scorpio Moon. A real selfish ***** .

Like I said, all these 3 people are incredibly selfish, and have no qualms about walking over others to get what they want-no principles, no values, no nothing. That's why I said ruthless.
I suppose, in their twisted heads, they assume it's a survival of the fittest case, and that they should be able to use any weapons they have to get what they want.
Just think that Angelina Jolie has a Moon-Mars-Jupiter stellium in Aries, opposite Pluto and square Saturn..everybody knew she was a total ***** , from start.

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posted July 03, 2011 05:12 AM            

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Neptune in Libra so I guess it's a family member....Don't worry too much, everyone gets screwed over and everyone has good times. No sleep should be lost over the whole thing.

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posted July 03, 2011 11:12 AM            

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^^ i have this aspect!

and Pluto trine Saturn. i have 6 Pluto aspects. still haven't read up on them all.

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posted July 03, 2011 02:37 PM            

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^^ Sounds intense, esp. stellium h8, I guess lots of people project their bs onto you? Or no?

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posted July 03, 2011 02:40 PM            

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^^ i always see it coming from miles away! i tell them exactly who they are and they either love, or loath me. there's no middle ground

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posted July 05, 2011 02:11 AM            

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Have to say that on calling out potentially negative traits in oneself, there is a high propensity for people to lie. So on threads like this it is difficult to take personal perceptions as true. A liar would say he is one who tells the truth, for example. It's hard to be honest about who you really are unless you have very strong Pluto or h8 action.

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posted July 05, 2011 02:15 AM            

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^^ i always see it coming from miles away! i tell them exactly who they are and they either love, or loath me. there's no middle ground

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Omg sounds horrid! I get it too! Eventually I learned to see more clearly and let it roll off. This is what I mean about (post above) people only wanting to see their positives or likewise often TO PAINT THEIR NEGATIVES AS POSITIVES, which is easy to do I guess. I think it's much more fun and freeing to own up to it and get rid of whatever label society says you're supposed to display.

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posted February 08, 2013 05:46 AM            

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i have progressed h1 saturn opposing 7h mars. such deep joy.

found these articles to cheer myself up lol
http://theinnerwheel.com/2011/09/01/the-cardinal-path-to-sexual-maturity-marssaturn/
http://www.astromarkt.net/mars-in-aspect-with-saturn.html

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the boy i loved most in the world had mars square saturn, venus square saturn, venus square uranus, mars square uranus, saturn conjunct neptune and uranus and mars opposition venus, and his mars was in pisces IN RETROGRADE!!!!

i loved him so much though,i really really did.

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I find that Mars/Saturn can be quite controlling and cold.They can just cut you.I think they can be pretty heartless.I think they would make good soldiers.My sister has this placement.She has a lot of different sides to her personality---She is a Capricorn so is mainly pretty serious,but she has Sun conjunct Venus so she can be very sweet and loving.She has a Pisces moon so has a very sensitive and dreamy side.But when the Mars/Saturn kicks in she just cuts to the core.She is all business and can be just plain cold.

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I find that Mars/Saturn can be quite controlling and cold.They can just cut you.I think they can be pretty heartless.I think they would make good soldiers.My sister has this placement.She has a lot of different sides to her personality---She is a Capricorn so is mainly pretty serious,but she has Sun conjunct Venus so she can be very sweet and loving.She has a Pisces moon so has a very sensitive and dreamy side.But when the Mars/Saturn kicks in she just cuts to the core.She is all business and can be just plain cold.

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I have an exact Mars/Saturn square and everything in this post fits me to a tee.
I've been called ruthless and harsh many times. I am also a Virgo, so that adds up to it. I can see myself as a solder except for the fact that I absolutely refuse to submit to other people's rules and orders.

Thank God I also have a Pisces Rising and lots of Neptune in my chart, so that mitigates the harshness most of the time. When the Mars/Saturn kicks in however, its nasty. Not too often, only when someone steps on my toes. In other times, Neptune makes me very gentle and compassionate.

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posted April 05, 2013 10:32 AM            

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Mars/Saturn square and opposition are the worst aspects anyone can have, in my opinion. Mars and Saturn just.don't.fit. It's a very frustrating aspect, you meet obstacles whenever you try to assert yourself or get things done. Also, if you have this aspect and believe in peace and non-violence, chances are, you'll attract all the violent types to you who wil lash out at you. Sadistic people, people who take advantage of you, etc. It's a very difficult combo no matter how much you want to sugarcoat it.

Fortunately, Saturn is more kind to you with time and experience, but dang, youth isn't a piece of cake at all with such a combo.

I think it's extremely important to be very self-aware as soon as possible when you have this in your chart otherwise you go around being negative and pi$$ing people off, without even noticing that you are actually the one creating all the tension.

It's easy to be cold and intolerant.. really easy. But I believe this is the negative expression of a Mars/Saturn aspect and needs to be transmuted into positive manifestations.

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