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Topic: Saturn in the 12th house
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Saraintheski
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posted July 04, 2011 03:06 PM
  
I read that the 12th house is supposed to be karma.misfortune.all kinds of miserable depressing stuff my Saturns in Aquarius squaring my Mars this sucks for a number of reasons I can't even begin to verbalize . This could possibly do with why I dropped out of school .. IP: Logged |
dysfunctionalmystic
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posted July 04, 2011 03:16 PM
You need to throw that book away.Saturn in 12th can indicate a lack of support of some kind. Sometimes the father will be absent or just weak. Saturn rules the bones so if we think in terms of the body...we have the bones in the house where things can be inaccessible. Wherever Saturn is...we take seriously, you may take the "hidden" side of life very seriously or have a slight fear of it...finding it oppressive or restrictive in some way. At the same time, Saturn shows us what we need to master or put into some sort of structure. Saturn squaring your mars will give you lessons so that you can learn to modify your impulsiveness. IP: Logged |
dysfunctionalmystic
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posted July 04, 2011 03:17 PM
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VenusDiSirius
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posted July 04, 2011 03:19 PM
Was it ur choice to drop out?
A.Jolie has a H12 Saturn,and a tatoo of a window,which,I believe,was Saturn's doing. She explained it by saying she was always looking out,caged,while everthing and everyone was -out there-.IP: Logged |
Saraintheski
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posted July 04, 2011 03:22 PM
I have a real interest in weird stuff but a fear of occult and conspiracy still really fascinating it's 8th house stuff ..and my father is pretty selfish and absent from my life ..Thanks  IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted July 04, 2011 03:24 PM
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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
Was it ur choice to drop out?
A.Jolie has a H12 Saturn,and a tatoo of a window,which,I believe,was Saturn's doing. She explained it by saying she was always looking out,caged,while everthing and everyone was -out there-.
I have heard it explained that way before. ------------------
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Saraintheski
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posted July 04, 2011 03:27 PM
I felt caged in at school like I really wasn't learning what's important . I learn more watching t.v and from the internet I didn't want to conform too public school districts and other sheeps ideas even tho I loved being teacher pet at the same time and getting credit I saw I cannot go through with this especially once in highschool I became part of this big mindless crowd of loud,insensitive jerkoffs who think theyre better than me cus they get by on minimal effort and I just get frustrated ...IP: Logged |
Saraintheski
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posted July 04, 2011 03:27 PM
I felt caged in at school like I really wasn't learning what's important . I learn more watching t.v and from the internet I didn't want to conform too the public school districts and other sheeps ideas even tho I loved being teachers pet at the same time and getting credit I saw I cannot go through with this especially once in highschool I became part of this big mindless crowd of loud,insensitive jerkoffs who think theyre better than me cus they get by on minimal effort and I just get frustrated ...IP: Logged |
Saraintheski
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posted July 04, 2011 03:31 PM
I think Angelina dropped out of school as well...IP: Logged |
Saraintheski
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posted July 04, 2011 03:36 PM
My school was beyond a joke I mean we had a reality show filmed here as soon as the guy came we all of a sudden pushed for 60$ uniforms..3500 kids! were did all this money for the show go like the school is probably still sh*t IP: Logged |
Benedict Moon*
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posted July 04, 2011 04:12 PM
I have this placement, AND it squares my mars as well. I didn't drop out of school, but I've always been more of a DIY learner than one who enjoys sitting in the classroom. I think this has more to do with my 3rd house Mars and Mercurial influence, thanks to Mystic Medusa (I should find that post of her's). If you had trouble sticking to school, I think you should look to strong 3rd house or gemini influence, or problems with the 9th house instead. 12th house Saturn placement is alot more complex IMO. Although saturn is also my chart ruler and its Retrograde. I've experienced it more as being an outsider, depression, and a strong sense of spirituality. The majority of teachers have disliked me or felt I needed to be reigned in, I was never much of a pet and I actually hate teacher's pets today..LOL. IP: Logged |
dysfunctionalmystic
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posted July 04, 2011 05:06 PM
Yep the trouble with school is more a 3/9 axis or mercury + uranus thing. I'd say 3rd if anything because that house is said to show early schooling, college in the 6th and uni in the 9th {+ you can use house rulers if there's nothing there}.IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius
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posted July 04, 2011 05:26 PM
Doll,it's always the student,not the school. Time spent there is precious,one realises that only when they leave it or when it's finished. Trust me,kids in schools r careless.What about friends,killing the time in sweet idleness? This is form of isolation and mistake in Saturn style. Just simple handling,not mastering. Thinking u have control. Go Back!
As far as -learning stuff from TV- oh,well,I just wish I can slap u back into senses 
Off topic,I was always interested in USA educational system. What's difference between college and Uni? We go strait to Uni.IP: Logged |
Saraintheski
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posted July 04, 2011 05:47 PM
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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
Doll,it's always the student,not the school. Time spent there is precious,one realises that only when they leave it or when it's finished. Trust me,kids in schools r careless.What about friends,killing the time in sweet idleness? This is form of isolation and mistake in Saturn style. Just simple handling,not mastering. Thinking u have control. Go Back!
As far as -learning stuff from TV- oh,well,I just wish I can slap u back into senses
Off topic,I was always interested in USA educational system. What's difference between college and Uni? We go strait to Uni.
You wanna see my school? google TONY DANZA NORTHEAST TEACH
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nordicsoul
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posted July 04, 2011 05:53 PM
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Originally posted by Benedict Moon*:
I have this placement, AND it squares my mars as well. I didn't drop out of school, but I've always been more of a DIY learner than one who enjoys sitting in the classroom. I think this has more to do with my 3rd house Mars and Mercurial influence, thanks to Mystic Medusa (I should find that post of her's). If you had trouble sticking to school, I think you should look to strong 3rd house or gemini influence, or problems with the 9th house instead. 12th house Saturn placement is alot more complex IMO. Although saturn is also my chart ruler and its Retrograde. I've experienced it more as being an outsider, depression, and a strong sense of spirituality. The majority of teachers have disliked me or felt I needed to be reigned in, I was never much of a pet and I actually hate teacher's pets today..LOL.
i have 12H saturn in aries and a strong mercurial influence (marcury and moon in gemini) and all my cancer stellium in 3rd house. I never dropped school and I have 3 masters and 2 bachellor degrees. always good in school.Well, my saturn sextile my moon and mercury. I suspect it may be the square with mars that cause to feel trapped in a cage... IP: Logged |
nordicsoul
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posted July 04, 2011 05:56 PM
I also has mercury square uranus and pluto and although i had trouble with authorities in school, my academic performance was good. but sometimes too rebeliuos for teachers to handleIP: Logged |
Benedict Moon*
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posted July 04, 2011 06:02 PM
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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
Doll,it's always the student,not the school. Time spent there is precious,one realises that only when they leave it or when it's finished. Trust me,kids in schools r careless.What about friends,killing the time in sweet idleness? This is form of isolation and mistake in Saturn style. Just simple handling,not mastering. Thinking u have control. Go Back!
As far as -learning stuff from TV- oh,well,I just wish I can slap u back into senses
Off topic,I was always interested in USA educational system. What's difference between college and Uni? We go strait to Uni.
Uni and College are pretty much synonymous in the U.S. academically. The only difference, I believe, is that a University is more private and has a collection of colleges, whereas a college offers a collection of degrees in one school. IP: Logged |
Saraintheski
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posted July 04, 2011 06:07 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Saraintheski:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
[b]Doll,it's always the student,not the school. Time spent there is precious,one realises that only when they leave it or when it's finished. Trust me,kids in schools r careless.What about friends,killing the time in sweet idleness? This is form of isolation and mistake in Saturn style. Just simple handling,not mastering. Thinking u have control. Go Back!
As far as -learning stuff from TV- oh,well,I just wish I can slap u back into senses
Off topic,I was always interested in USA educational system. What's difference between college and Uni? We go strait to Uni.
You wanna see my school? google TONY DANZA NORTHEAST TEACH[/B][/QUOTE]
you obviously have no clue....what american public schools are like
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Benedict Moon*
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posted July 04, 2011 06:08 PM
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Originally posted by nordicsoul:
i have 12H saturn in aries and a strong mercurial influence (marcury and moon in gemini) and all my cancer stellium in 3rd house. I never dropped school and I have 3 masters and 2 bachellor degrees. always good in school.Well, my saturn sextile my moon and mercury.I suspect it may be the square with mars that cause to feel trapped in a cage...
I think you're referring to the OP here because I didn't say anything of the sort. I meant that the person with strong mercury/3rd house influence is more of a DIY (Do-it-yourself) learner due to gemini and the 3rd house being more personal as opposed to collective like Sag and the 9th house. They do generally like to learn so they aren't exactly 'bad' at school, but when Mystic first posed this theory it revealed alot of people who believed they could learn more on their own than they ever could in a classroom. Its kind of why I like to think of the first four signs as the self-sufficient signs now. *edited for gramatical errors. Ugh, English is *so* not my favorite language. IP: Logged |
Aya_and_baby
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posted July 04, 2011 06:18 PM
Saturn in 12th Scorpio conjunct Sun here. Coincidence has it that I quit school early as well. For certain reasons, though. I was tired of school, which is something that is usually followed up but in my case teachers and family alike had the idea "she's smart enough, she'll bite her way through it." The last year and the incompetent teachers I had that year (there was a crisis on, there weren't enough teachers so they had to give teachers classes they weren't equipped to do, and to be honest, it kind of showed at the time - you know your teacher isn't good enough when they are regularly outwitted by their own students, and a class is only as good as the teacher who gives it) made me even more tired of school and I decided I was better off earning money for myself and actually be of service to community, instead of not being taught properly, being there against my will and not being listened to and just kind of left aside to be forgotten.I also have strong Mercury influences, but sadly enough, although I have the brains to match them, no bachelors or masters. My own stupid fault I admit, but since I wasn't being listened to and just left to my devices, I didn't find any support for my "issues" and decided to give it all up in favour of earning money (so Capricorn 2nd house of me  ). But as fate wants it, here in Belgium, that little piece of paper saying you've succeeded in your studies means an awful lot to employers, which I then learned the hard way.
So now I'm picking up on my studies again, a bit late but no harm done. I'm still young.
But anyway, I can imagine that it's not always the student's fault, but it can very well be the school's fault too. It depends on the situation... If a school is of good quality then perhaps it's the student, but if teaching students properly is not the school's primary goal then, yeah, it's the school's fault. Of course there are outside forces like shortage of teaching staff which is neither the student's or the school's fault, but will undermine the quality of the school.
I think in Sara's case the school's primary goal was not to educate youth, and in my case it was the inevitable consequences of shortage of teaching staff (including the local student welfare department, which should have picked up on the severity of my school fatigue - or whatever it's called in English, I honestly can't think of a proper translation and it really was just school, I would have loved to get home education but lack of a "guide" stopped me there. And lack of money). Both resulted in the same thing eventually. ------------------
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dysfunctionalmystic
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posted July 04, 2011 06:38 PM
UK college 16-18
uni 18-21I've got Jupiter in aquarius in the 3rd in opposition to mercury in leo in the 9th, I left school early but kept on studying and still do now at 37, I'm always reading something. IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius
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posted July 05, 2011 04:58 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Saraintheski:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Saraintheski:
[b] [QUOTE]Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
[b]Doll,it's always the student,not the school. Time spent there is precious,one realises that only when they leave it or when it's finished. Trust me,kids in schools r careless.What about friends,killing the time in sweet idleness? This is form of isolation and mistake in Saturn style. Just simple handling,not mastering. Thinking u have control. Go Back!
As far as -learning stuff from TV- oh,well,I just wish I can slap u back into senses
Off topic,I was always interested in USA educational system. What's difference between college and Uni? We go strait to Uni.
You wanna see my school? google TONY DANZA NORTHEAST TEACH[/B][/QUOTE]
you obviously have no clue....what american public schools are like [/B][/QUOTE]Then change the school,don't give up... IP: Logged |
Sunia
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posted July 05, 2011 08:29 AM
Saturn Scorpio in the 12th squaring Mars Leo in the 9th.I never had problems in school and today I'm busy with my second degree at University. I did hate teachers pets and I was usually part of "the rebels" group instead of the mommy's boys and daddy's girls group, but this might be because of my Uranus in the 1st. That quote from A. Jolie makes sense for me, because I felt a bit imprisoned too, specially in my childhood and teens, but that's the thing with Saturn: the older you get, the better it will be. My Saturn in the 12th also gives me a need of being alone at times. So, yes it's not an easy peasy place for Saturn but it's not THAT bad either, it has to be somewhere anyways.
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visions
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posted July 05, 2011 12:03 PM
12th house saturn is less difficult than mars square saturn...many great man have 12th house saturn : T.Carlyle, Jacques chirac, b.Obama,Charles the XIIth IP: Logged |
sand
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posted July 05, 2011 08:28 PM
i agree change the school. i can see why it could be a tough place for some. i'm sure it's not easy for the kids that fit in so well either. who knows what pressure is put on them at home. winona ryder i know also had some problems with it. not sure what's in her chart. but i know she didn't exactly fit in as well. funny they both starred in girl, interrupted. IP: Logged |
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