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Topic: Women: Have you cheated on your man before?
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jwhite997
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posted July 06, 2011 02:36 PM
  
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Originally posted by blugrey:
None of them? I think it was the fact that I let myself drink out of control and put myself in a bad situation... I have never cheated otherwise so I don't feel as though I have a "Cheating" aspect. I don't think anyone does. This is simply something you can't tell from a natal chart.
How's your libido compared to your girlfriends? Is it heightened and/or uninhibited when drunk? IP: Logged |
carl
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posted July 06, 2011 02:58 PM
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CancerRising
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posted July 06, 2011 03:14 PM
I've never cheated, and don't consider that an option at all. I'll break up before I move on, probably has something to do with most of my planets being water and the ruler of my House chart is the Moon. Too sensitive to hurt anyone.All of the cheaters I have known of have been female, with very little or no water. A lot of Virgo, Leo, or Air Signs in general. IP: Logged |
blugrey
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posted July 06, 2011 04:11 PM
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NickiG
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posted July 06, 2011 09:19 PM
reading all of these stories makes me glad for my fixed sign overload, LOL------------------
I once saw a sign that said "sin is death" but if "all deaths are suicide (linda goodman)" and suicide is sin, then shouldnt "death is sin" be more appropriate? IP: Logged |
blugrey
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posted July 07, 2011 03:19 AM
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Lonake
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posted July 07, 2011 07:16 AM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
What would Saturn/Pluto conjunct in the composite in the 1st house be---do you think? (...) Is it cold water thrown on the primal desires? Would it reduce passion/ desire between people in synastry or in the individual in the natal?
Saturn/Pluto in the 1st just by itself, the pair comes across as formidable as they have weathered storms together (maybe poverty, maybe death, maybe disease, maybe natural catastrophe, maybe they've exchanged harrowing stories of loss and that is their bond and they are honest about their wounds and very upfront about their losses to those they meet) and this had made them survivors, and their image is 'you may think we've been knocked down, but we're stronger than steel'. If it's square a personal planet such as Moon or Venus, the sensitive ones, there may be some type of inferiority complex while together, if it receives supportive trines or even sextiles then those will be the aspects that lead them out of hell's pathway and toward a greater healing, I'm thinking especially if they are sextile or trine to Chiron. Chiron positive aspect to a personal planet or even Asc or Mc in this case in a composite with Saturn conj Pluto contributes a lot of healing, negative Chiron can cause matters to feel inflamed at times. Regarding sex, Saturn/Pluto can actually pervert and point to somewhat obscene fantasies. If this is in your romantic composite and regular sex is not doing it for you then the two may want to try something that they deem a lil taboo for a stronger sexual response. The same goes for this aspect in the natal, if the drive is low then search outside the box and break some boundaries if you want to get the sex drive moving along, once you do the response will be much closer to volcanic. If this is a romantic relationship that is not consummated and there is an awkwardness in relating to the other on that level, then one of them has to push their sexual boundaries and approach their partner being suggestive of their boundary (Saturn) breaking (Pluto) desires, just a hint at first and if the partner does not get the msg then progress further in letting them in on these things. Saturn/Pluto is not about making it obvious unless it's in Air or Fire, if it's in Air then by all means chat away about it I suppose, but in the manner as described by the sign, if in Gemini make witticisms about it, if in Aqua be nonchalant and let the idea hit them like a lightning bolt and then drop it until the mood strikes again, if in Libra bring it up while in a pleasant mood, somewhat sweetly and emphasize how much mutual benefit the two would receive and how much you are willing to give to please the partner (libra is the giver).....Anyway hope that answered at least some of your Qs. IP: Logged |
blugrey
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posted July 07, 2011 01:48 PM
At Lonake - I'm really curious about Saturn/Pluto conjunctions. But what do you think of it in synastry - in Scorpio and the 7th house?IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted July 09, 2011 10:09 PM
http://sasstrology.com/2009/03/the-astrology-of-cheating-natal-chart-factors.html
http://sasstrology.com/2009/03/the-astrology-of-cheating-uranus-and-neptune-transits. html http://sasstrology.com/2009/02/i-couldnt-control-myself-outer-planets-and-cheating.html http://sasstrology.com/2009/02/mars-cheating-venus-cheating.html IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted July 09, 2011 10:11 PM
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Originally posted by blugrey:
At Lonake - I'm really curious about Saturn/Pluto conjunctions. But what do you think of it in synastry - in Scorpio and the 7th house?
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vertiver
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posted July 09, 2011 11:07 PM
I can be so loyal to the T to someone, but once I feel that I'm getting a lack of attention I'll get impetious and find attention somewhere else, but I think being in your early twenties doesn't help either, plus I have a Mutable Moon, Venus and ASC. And Venus is opposite Saturn/Uranus.IP: Logged |
mintgirl123
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posted July 09, 2011 11:37 PM
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Originally posted by jwhite997:
What are your impressions of this chart? Can any of you find suspicions of infidelity?
This person will def cheat.
All that Gem!! Gem sun, venus (flirty, flighty, way too curious, likes variety), merc (liar and likes variety)
jupiter expands... Her 7th house is in Gem too!
lol and sag moon? Conjunct uranus loosely?? Wow. This is a classic chart for a serial cheat. CANCER aspects aren't the most loyal =/
And combo of scorpy asc, cancer mars and all that gem suggests the person's manipulative and keep secrets. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted July 09, 2011 11:47 PM
Good points.
I also noticed the Sun/Merc in Gem squaring the nodal axis from the 7th.
And then the yod pointing straight to the jup/venus conj in Gem.
Venus inconjunct Neptune
Mars opp Neptune
Asc ruler tucked away in the 12th
Then again the time is on the hour so the houses involved may be off a bit.Hopefully people like this just stay in open relationships and have that be the end of it. IP: Logged |
Betty Boop
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posted July 10, 2011 02:16 AM
Lonake - I think I'm in love with you.
Your insights are just awesome  I made a thread not that long ago, asking WHY the hell people bud in and ruin my love life. I think you replied to it - It was about a girl sending an email from my address, to the guy I'm involved with - pretending to be me.
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I have made it a point to NEVER introduce the men I date to anyone else I know to completely avoid this as I sensed it very early on that many people wanted to have their say about my love life and I wanted it to be private. And I guess it's a habit now because I don't plan on changing this, so it's something that partners have to accept, no matter if they want to introduce me to their family, etc., my privacy means too much, it's too painful for other people or things to be involved. The relationship for Venus/Pluto is the lover and the beloved, and that's all
Yes. It truly is painful. That's the best word for it.
Neptune is involved in my opposition... My Mars/Nept conj is sextile Pluto and trine Venus. I think Neptune makes it worse for me. Usually the result of people getting involved is complete confusion and sometimes it turns into a mess of such proportions that I can no longer fix things.
Re: Thread Topic..
When I was 15 I kissed a guy repeatedly and publicly, to upset my first love. I was very angry with him. This was during one of our breakups.. so technically I was not cheating, but he still saw it as cheating (so potato, puh-tato).. To this day (a decade later) he would bring this up if I even said "hi" - which I don't! The whole thing didn't end very well because he physically harmed the other guy and was almost expelled. We all ended up in the counsellor's office.
Since then I have not physically cheated.
On an emotional level I was cheating on someone from the start of this year until last month.
Sadly, it won't be the last time. Because it seems whoever I date from now and until the day I die... won't be someone I am in love with.
I'm already in love with someone else.. so ---- ya. IP: Logged |
Betty Boop
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posted July 10, 2011 02:24 AM
^^^ Yup... And that person is Lonake jk 
PS. I just spotted the irony in the way I started & ended my last post LOL
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blugrey
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posted July 10, 2011 02:29 AM
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blugrey
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posted July 10, 2011 02:44 AM
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Lonake
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posted July 10, 2011 04:06 AM
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Originally posted by Betty Boop:It was about a girl sending an email from my address, to the guy I'm involved with - pretending to be me.
Ahhh! I remember that strange case..Re:Venus/Pluto, I had to break up with someone tonight because he can't let go of his ex that screwed him over; physically she's long gone, but she did a huge number on him, really messed him up. He makes assumptions about me thinking I'm her. I don't even know what she looked like, and yet, she's all over the place and won't go away (in his attitude toward me). It's maddening. The worst thing is that she made him feel unlovable, so every time something didn't go his way he accused me of not caring about him. It had bad Moon energy all around it. Now I look at the synastry, and I can see that altho his Moon is Taurus, it's v.early degree and squaring mine, and also opp my Pluto. Well of course I want to get to the bottom of things (Moon/Pluto) and he always called me intense but I guess he just really can't deal with how things are, and then my new dreaded synastry aspect: Moon sq Mercury ::shivers:: quote:
Originally posted by Betty Boop:I think Neptune makes it worse for me. Usually the result of people getting involved is complete confusion and sometimes it turns into a mess of such proportions that I can no longer fix things.
Yea Neptune is plugging into a strong sexual dynamic in your chart: mars/venus/pluto, so there may be confusion or delusion from time to time, but they're not hard aspects, well, only the one to mars, but its symbiotic there. I wonder if you *do* any Neptunian things, to try to get it under control (i mean not wreak havoc), like artsy things or whatnot, cos Mars has to do Neptune otherwise it's like fog, there's no charted course, you cant really let Neptune lead the way plus Mars is exalted there so it holds stronger weight. In cap, maybe pottery or sketches of buildings or i dunno im just throwing things out there, but it would need to be something that takes a lot of practice to get right, cos its cap. quote:
Originally posted by Betty Boop:On an emotional level I was cheating on someone from the start of this year until last month. Sadly, it won't be the last time. Because it seems whoever I date from now and until the day I die... won't be someone I am in love with. I'm already in love with someone else.. so ---- ya.
Oh, do you mean you have one long standing love interest who you hold a torch for? This sounds Venus/Pluto, I mean if it is someone that you want to be closer to but can't for whatever reason, so they stay in the background.
I'm sorry, I'm not sure if I understand emotional cheating as a concept. If so, then there have been a good number who emotionally cheated on their wives with me, because they confided things to me that they didn't to her, let themselves be vulnerable around me, wanted to have sex with me but did not because they didn't want to hurt their marriage. I mean, I don't want to share everything in the world with the person I'm partnered with, I'd like to keep some things to myself, and then share one part of my personality with this friend (who matches me in that way) and share another part with another friend. I would feel suffocated if the only person on Earth that I was allowed to confide in was my partner. I dunno, I guess certain people see it otherwise. My thing is I don't want anyone intruding on my relationship and pushing it on another course, trying to steer the ship so-to-speak. quote:
^^^ Yup... And that person is Lonake jk
PS. I just spotted the irony in the way I started & ended my last post LOL
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Lonake
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posted July 10, 2011 04:50 AM
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Originally posted by blugrey:
There is about 5 years difference? Normally that's out of my age range.... and the conjunction is only 1 second off of exact (0.01) off so I figure it's probably a little more meaningful. I've never had this aspect before, so it's unusual to me at least. His Saturn is sextile mine so it's a fair ways off.
OK Scorpio 7th, is it your Pluto, in your 7th? I dunno, ok, Well if its their Saturn they likely feel vulnerable in your 7th, afraid you will reject, conj to Pluto, I don't see it as having significance unless one of the two is tied into a personal planet natal dynamic. For instance if Saturn person has Venus sq their Saturn, and here comes Pluto, they will be drawn like a moth but at the same time hold some fear, Saturn in Scorp is actually not a comfy placement, there are sexual hang ups even if they are acting out sexually there are still fears associated with intimacy. Pluto in Scorp may terrify Saturn on one hand, on the other if the Saturn person has well aspected Saturn or strong Pluto or Scorp, like Pluto in aspect to their Mars or Venus or Sun, etc. then there would be a feeling of wanting to explore that area of their life but having fear also so the Pluto person could be the gateway for real emotion and feelings to be expressed (Saturn in Scorp is still Saturn in a Water sign). I guess what I mean is that there are a lot of factors that could change the interp.
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blugrey
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posted July 10, 2011 05:13 AM
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Lonake
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posted July 10, 2011 03:54 PM
"He is very detached (it seems) when it comes to me and he doesn't seem to appreciate me coming closer to him or at the very least he is uncomfortable with my energy."
That sounds like the Saturn sq Moon, they can distance if need be. That is double whammy for fear of intimacy, saturn/moon and then saturn in scorp. With these people, it's more that you need to let them work through it on their own, if you're opening the door so to speak and theyre not walking through it then its not the time for them, they may be met with heartbreaking situations where they didn't budge due to fear, eventually many of them usually get it. The rub here is that saturn is in a fixed sign. Fixed signs take a long time to learn their lessons and they don't like to change to accommodate.IP: Logged |
blugrey
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posted July 11, 2011 05:27 AM
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Originally posted by Lonake:
"He is very detached (it seems) when it comes to me and he doesn't seem to appreciate me coming closer to him or at the very least he is uncomfortable with my energy."
That sounds like the Saturn sq Moon, they can distance if need be. That is double whammy for fear of intimacy, saturn/moon and then saturn in scorp. With these people, it's more that you need to let them work through it on their own, if you're opening the door so to speak and theyre not walking through it then its not the time for them, they may be met with heartbreaking situations where they didn't budge due to fear, eventually many of them usually get it. The rub here is that saturn is in a fixed sign. Fixed signs take a long time to learn their lessons and they don't like to change to accommodate.
Thank you for your explanation. It was greatly insightful! IP: Logged |
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