posted July 16, 2011 08:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
About your last post - Lunatic...

This whole idea that only one person is 'affected' by the other person is a little insane.

I mean both planets are in aspect so obviously both people are affected (but in different ways).

It always goes both ways. But it does depend on what people choose to do.
With Moon/Mars.. Mars can be cutting and hurt the Moon's feelings whether intentionally or unintentionally.
However the Moon can also make Mars' life something close to living in a 'hell'. It's the "one drop at a time" rule.. dripping water until Mars feels like he is drowning - his drive is gone.. and her emotions are killing him.

It's never a one way street.

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posted July 16, 2011 08:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
"I have read that an unaspected planet gets powerful, in a way he feels the need to express the traits of this planet and it speaks louder to him,"
Oh yeah, they stand out all right.

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posted July 16, 2011 11:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
^ Wow, do you really??
I have this with someone and I feel it is one of the strangest synastric feelings I have ever had (!) (I'm the unaspected Sun person.) I hardly know how to explain.
On one hand, I feel, do I even care about being seen by this person, and I look at him and what he does with his life, and I'm left feeling "meh." And then he sees me as having importance in his life, he is actually close friends with others who have the same Sun sign at the same degree as mine, and with the opposite point, so they're all still unaspected to him.
Wait, I was gonna ask you something but I don't know which one you are the Sun or the chart that it doesn't aspect?

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posted July 17, 2011 12:45 AM            

"I was thinking that I make her turn inside more, connect with her emotions but she doesn't feel like a strong presence around me?"
---I wonder does she feel acknowledged by you? Yes to connect with her emotions, v. likely. At the very least sun conj moon is a friendship aspect so there is still a bond there.

"Also her personal planets falls in my 1st house and that makes her pay attention to me I think. So, maybe she doesn't feel her personality shining around me"
---Oh yes, that's right, in your first she would feel like you are expressing everything that she feels she is about. You're in tune with her, you're putting forward the type of image that she associates with, etc. so therefore she approves.

OK, so can I ask, just regarding her Sun,
(1)do you think she feels noticed around you/did it take a while to notice her,
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(2)is it more like the girl came out of nowhere, and you spun your head around and thought 'who is that' and that you have no real frame of reference for what she is about on which to peg her, so that there is an element of fascination there, like a kaleidoscope, ever changing, and you wonder if you'll ever figure her out, you try to catch her, but she's out of your grasp?

posted July 17, 2011 01:18 AM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
"My Sun conjuncts her Moon for example."
---: : I have this with the guy, too. I am the Moon person. I feel like on one hand I want to surrender to him, but on the other..like, am I imagining things? Do we really have anything in common? (btw my sun is my asc ruler, so it's prob a bigger deal to me as it rules an angle.)

"I was thinking that I make her turn inside more, connect with her emotions but she doesn't feel like a strong presence around me?"
---I wonder does she feel acknowledged by you? Yes to connect with her emotions, v. likely. At the very least sun conj moon is a friendship aspect so there is still a bond there.

"Also her personal planets falls in my 1st house and that makes her pay attention to me I think. So, maybe she doesn't feel her personality shining around me"
---Oh yes, that's right, in your first she would feel like you are expressing everything that she feels she is about. You're in tune with her, you're putting forward the type of image that she associates with, etc. so therefore she approves.

OK, so can I ask, just regarding her Sun,
(1)do you think she feels noticed around you/did it take a while to notice her,
OR
(2)is it more like the girl came out of nowhere, and you spun your head around and thought 'who is that' and that you have no real frame of reference for what she is about on which to peg her, so that there is an element of fascination there, like a kaleidoscope, ever changing, and you wonder if you'll ever figure her out, you try to catch her, but she's out of your grasp?

I feel this way (2) when I encounter someone who has a Sun that doesn't aspect my chart. I feel like I could try to form a connection, but would I be shunned and not have anything to offer (as their Sun doesn't aspect my chart).

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posted July 17, 2011 12:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
"I have read that an unaspected planet gets powerful, in a way he feels the need to express the traits of this planet and it speaks louder to him,"
Oh yeah, they stand out all right.

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posted July 17, 2011 02:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
The quincunx is one of my favorite aspects natally and in synastry.
It is a unique bird in that it calls you to meld two very different energies.When you do, you have a unique part of yourself .
I have to do this with Gem and Scorpio. I find that I like the result I am making putting these 2 things together.

Ami Anne, so you don't consider it a minor aspect then? How do you think venus quincunx pluto would manifest in the natal? Would this person swing back and forth between feeling venus and pluto at different times because they are difficult to integrate? Also, because of this aspect would you consider this person to be a plutonian type? His mercury and mars trines pluto too.

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posted July 17, 2011 03:56 PM            

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Originally posted by polysigh:
Is his venus still considered unaspected because it is a quincunx?

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It's not a major aspect but imo it carries weight, more weight than the sextile, which I see as just plain weak all around, the sextile colors the other planet but that's it, there's no big reaction there. With the quincunx (inconjunct) 150* angle, there is a rub between the 2 that can pull off some really amazing feats and connections within the person, and the result can be comedic cos you have these two planets that are working not even at cross purposes like a hard aspect; they simply act alone yet there's no frame of reference there so the end result can seem sort of crazy. I don't know the signs involved, but I'm sure if you watch the person you can see it in action. For example an incojunct between Pisces and Leo, Pisces is confused about a situation at the same time that Leo is adamant about it, now how does that make sense (it doesn't) but the inconjunct looks like, 'wth just happened', it's impossible to be confused and adamant at the same time but they pull it off to comedic effect. On the other hand, this combo is insanely creative and expressive and able to show off their creations to their benefit.

If you can tell me what signs are involved I can tell you what they have in common to give you more info on what colors his Venus in that way.

The inconjunct will make you stand out, and of course the 2 inconjuncts to one planet creates that great Yod formation in a chart, so...I would see it again as not a major aspect but still one that has definite influence. So it's up to you whether you'd like to count it or not re: being aspected.

posted July 17, 2011 06:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
It's not a major aspect but imo it carries weight, more weight than the sextile, which I see as just plain weak all around, the sextile colors the other planet but that's it, there's no big reaction there. With the quincunx (inconjunct) 150* angle, there is a rub between the 2 that can pull off some really amazing feats and connections within the person, and the result can be comedic cos you have these two planets that are working not even at cross purposes like a hard aspect; they simply act alone yet there's no frame of reference there so the end result can seem sort of crazy. I don't know the signs involved, but I'm sure if you watch the person you can see it in action. For example an incojunct between Pisces and Leo, Pisces is confused about a situation at the same time that Leo is adamant about it, now how does that make sense (it doesn't) but the inconjunct looks like, 'wth just happened', it's impossible to be confused and adamant at the same time but they pull it off to comedic effect. On the other hand, this combo is insanely creative and expressive and able to show off their creations to their benefit.

If you can tell me what signs are involved I can tell you what they have in common to give you more info on what colors his Venus in that way.

The inconjunct will make you stand out, and of course the 2 inconjuncts to one planet creates that great Yod formation in a chart, so...I would see it again as not a major aspect but still one that has definite influence. So it's up to you whether you'd like to count it or not re: being aspected.

And I like that both of your Venuses are in aspect to Pluto, I've had that too, it creates a nice steamy atmosphere that you two vibed on from the beginning, a lot of nuance and depth there, maybe a touch of something naughty cooking on the back burner, it's fun.

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Loanake, thank you so much for the info, it is all very interesting and informative. I looked at his chart again and I missed a venus quincunx uranus aspect as well ( I think I was looking more for aspects between luminaries initially). So if his venus quincunxes both pluto and uranus, is that a yod? If so, what does that mean? Also, his venus is in aries, pluto in virgo.

posted July 17, 2011 09:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
So I'm guessing Pluto and Uranus are conjunct?
A Yod would be if (example)
Venus 15 Aries
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Pluto 15 Virgo & Neptune 15 Scorpio
Here's an image, cos I know I'm more visual,

Like a slice of pizza.
Aries-Virgo, These are both very instinctual signs that are focused on the bottom line. But Aries is forceful and direct while Virgo wavers and is obsessed with the minutiae, which Aries couldn't give a toss about. The result could be someone that gets caught in the grips of mistakes and things that didn't go as planned, it's difficult to move on from these without getting caught in the details. There are lots of stops and starts in the love life, maybe even some bitterness from a past relationship feeding into the present. They go forward with their passion and at the same time there is this feeling of being constantly 'checked' by themselves or others, many times having to answer to someone. They'd like to continue unbounded but the worried nature holds them back, so that would be something that they would have to learn to come to terms with. So it's a continuous cycle, one part feeds the other. Someone like this would do well with a laidback more relaxed partner, Pisces Libra Sagittarius, etc. strong in their chart, or 12/7/9 or Neptune or Venus, a gentle person. What they don't need or appreciate is a critic or someone who stands in their way.

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posted July 17, 2011 11:23 PM            

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I feel this way (2) when I encounter someone who has a Sun that doesn't aspect my chart. I feel like I could try to form a connection, but would I be shunned and not have anything to offer (as their Sun doesn't aspect my chart).

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posted July 18, 2011 12:38 AM            

That's all you need to know! imo Don't make problems where there aren't any with those you love