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L0veLess
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posted July 30, 2011 06:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for L0veLess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm very Envious of others. I want what they have and its not good enough if I already have what they have I want THEIRS. Like if a girl has a bf but they breakup and I eventually get him then I won't want him anymore because what I really wanted was to have their relationship not my own version of the relationship. Its like I'm chasing something that will always be out of reach.
I'm not talking jealousy. That's when yu resent someone for having somehting good. Envy is actually coveting a thing. Wanting to become it to completely imbibe it into your being. I'm not condoning Envy and I'm not proud of it. I'm only curious. Besides craziness, what can be in a chart that points to this?

(And that example was just an example. Thats not specifically what I want. It was just a good analogy. hahaha)

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Betty Boop
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posted July 30, 2011 08:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would not have said Capricorn (though some would lol). I know this is your Sun, but can't remember your chart in detail.
Maybe it's like the 'shadow' side of Capricorn..

IMO What's going on is that you have not found your *thing* yet, whatever that is/will be... and so you are not completely happy with where you are at and with your own achievements. If you were, then you wouldn't care as much.. You'd find it easy to ignore what others are doing.

Try to focus on YOU. Work out what it is that you want and would like to have in your life.. what would make you happy (independent of the stuff you see around you and what others are doing).

When you go after what others have.. it's kind of like neglecting your own desires.
It's like you don't even get to a point where you ask yourself what you want -- because you *dive* right into the neighbours backyard, where the grass is always greener.

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frankie2912
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posted July 30, 2011 09:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for frankie2912     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Got any Scorp in your chart? that's what I assume causes my own envy.

what about your Venus? if she afflicted?

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tuxedoMask
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posted July 30, 2011 11:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tuxedoMask     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
interesting thread
kudos for being so open and honest about it

i'll check back later to see how it went

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Lonake
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posted July 31, 2011 12:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ No kidding, most people couldn't be honest about things like that. V.cool.

"chasing something that will always be out of reach."
---sounds like Neptune. My opinion on this is that you're searching for something more than just someone's lover or someone's pretty bracelet, for example. It sounds like a disguised spiritual yearning, an unsettled, anxiety-provoking state. Some people take this really far and turn into addicts of all sorts, shopping, sex, alcohol. It all seems like a search for the divine and for peace.

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sassaqua
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posted July 31, 2011 12:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sassaqua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There was a thread on this only recently Love.

If I find it, I'll post the link

Here tis: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/209256.html

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Benedict Moon*
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posted July 31, 2011 12:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Benedict Moon*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I'm not talking jealousy. That's when yu resent someone for having somehting good. Envy is actually coveting a thing. Wanting to become it to completely imbibe it into your being. I'm not condoning Envy and I'm not proud of it. I'm only curious. Besides craziness, what can be in a chart that points to this?

That's why I mentioned in the other thread that I thought it was more of a 2nd house/Venus issue. 2nd house is about possessions and your self-worth...an affliction there might incline you to attach yourself to the thing you covet (maybe neptune for the lack of boundaries between you and the object) Or hell, if the 8th house is 'other peoples stuff' then that would be another place to look too.

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L0veLess
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posted July 31, 2011 12:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for L0veLess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
IMO What's going on is that you have not found your *thing* yet, whatever that is/will be... and so you are not completely happy with where you are at and with your own achievements. If you were, then you wouldn't care as much.. You'd find it easy to ignore what others are doing.

Ya I think that I focus way too much on what Other people are doing, thinking, etc… Drives me crazy @_@ I do need to find my own thing because I have no idea what I want to be “when I grow up”.


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Originally posted by Lonake:
^ No kidding, most people couldn't be honest about things like that. V.cool.

It sounds like a disguised spiritual yearning, an unsettled, anxiety-provoking state. It all seems like a search for the divine and for peace.


HAHA! that V. cool thing reminded me of Bridget Jones's Diary! she would write that all the time hahaha
And the whole spiritual thing reminds me of how I even want what the plants and animals have. I admire that beauty of like a pretty scene of light hitting leaves and how it illuminates the plant; I want to BE it! I want to be a part of all that. Also I just want to be happy. Thats what I want ultimately.

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L0veLess
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posted July 31, 2011 01:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for L0veLess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by sassaqua:
There was a thread on this only recently Love.

If I find it, I'll post the link

Here tis: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/209256.html


thanks!!! Yu know what I think i remember that thread -_- I was reading it now tho!


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Originally posted by Benedict Moon*:
2nd house/Venus issue. 2nd house is about possessions and your self-worth...an affliction there might incline you to attach yourself to the thing you covet (maybe neptune for the lack of boundaries between you and the object)

In the other thread I read that bout the 2nd house!

Okay So I was looking in that other thread and I found that there was a lot of things being said about scorpio mainly and some libra thrown in there. I have libra asc. and
I have moon in scorpio conj. pluto in the 2nd house. About the venus aspects only difficult things might be Venus conj. Saturn and Venus quintile Pluto ( i just realised in another thread i got quincunx and quintile confused urgh!) So perhaps these things might be indicators? I also never realised that I was so envious till recently. I just didn't know what to call what I was feeling. And I really hate it because it makes me get the ugliest feeling ever and I get angry. I don't think it will go away until something happens that flips the envy switch off in me. And Im trying to stay away from things that might trigger those thoughts.Also this is not something anyone would think about me having trouble with. I fume silently on the inside. Anger/Envy is eating me up from within! Cos I'm still nice to people even if I envy them and sometimes I find that if I make nice with that person then I envy them less because I know whats really going on and the flaws start to show. My envy stems from wanting perfection mostly (i think).


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tuxedoMask
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posted July 31, 2011 01:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tuxedoMask     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
anyone have op's chart?

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L0veLess
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posted July 31, 2011 01:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for L0veLess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by tuxedoMask:
anyone have op's chart?

lol 'op' i like that word

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posted July 31, 2011 01:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by L0veLess:
Also I just want to be happy. Thats what I want ultimately.

Never read the book but I like the character's energy You're right about needing a path, but I think the journey is the destination and you're already there, not the other way around. So you will stumble onto something I am sure because you have beautiful images in your mind already. When you string together all of the beautiful moments in your life then you will see the path that is calling and that will be bliss, probably some hard work involved too but it will be meaningful, not wasted time.

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L0veLess
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posted July 31, 2011 01:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for L0veLess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lonake:
Never read the book but I like the character's energy You're right about needing a path, but I think the journey is the destination and you're already there, not the other way around. So you will stumble onto something I am sure because you have beautiful images in your mind already. When you string together all of the beautiful moments in your life then you will see the path that is calling and that will be bliss, probably some hard work involved too but it will be meaningful, not wasted time.

Ah thanks! I like the sound of this. Maybe some positive energy is all I need.


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Benedict Moon*
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posted July 31, 2011 07:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Benedict Moon*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I have moon in scorpio conj. pluto in the 2nd house. About the venus aspects only difficult things might be Venus conj. Saturn and Venus quintile Pluto ( i just realised in another thread i got quincunx and quintile confused urgh!) So perhaps these things might be indicators? I also never realised that I was so envious till recently. I just didn't know what to call what I was feeling. And I really hate it because it makes me get the ugliest feeling ever and I get angry. I don't think it will go away until something happens that flips the envy switch off in me. And Im trying to stay away from things that might trigger those thoughts.Also this is not something anyone would think about me having trouble with. I fume silently on the inside. Anger/Envy is eating me up from within! Cos I'm still nice to people even if I envy them and sometimes I find that if I make nice with that person then I envy them less because I know whats really going on and the flaws start to show. My envy stems from wanting perfection mostly (i think).


Oooo, yes. Having such intense water energy in the second does shed light on the earlier comments. I do also believe that this could be the shadow of the Venus/Saturn aspect as well. And the 'perfection' comment is interesting, because I was thinking that maybe the envy was stemming from you not feeling 'whole' or 'complete' in a way. Do you also have Virgo placements by any chance? Or perhaps that's a side-effect of the Venus/Saturn conjunction....forget what I said.

I was thinking for a solution, if you're open to it, you could try making a list of all the things/experiences you are grateful for in your life, and all the GOOD things about yourself. Or you could try remedying your Moon by mastering something you're interested in (Scorpio Moons tend to be good at that, and yours is turbo charged with the Pluto conjunction). Letting out your feelings into a private source, like a journal, can be a cathartic release as well. The key here is to try pouring your energy into things that can *truly* bolster YOUR self worth instead of attaching it to other people's things. Hope I'm not being too blunt here.

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L0veLess
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posted July 31, 2011 06:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for L0veLess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Benedict Moon*:
I was thinking for a solution, if you're open to it, you could try making a list of all the things/experiences you are grateful for in your life, and all the GOOD things about yourself. Or you could try remedying your Moon by mastering something you're interested in (Scorpio Moons tend to be good at that, and yours is turbo charged with the Pluto conjunction). Letting out your feelings into a private source, like a journal, can be a cathartic release as well. The key here is to try pouring your energy into things that can *truly* bolster YOUR self worth instead of attaching it to other people's things. Hope I'm not being too blunt here.

Thanks! I just see things like no matter how good yu think yu are at something theres always somebody better (and worse). I did write in journals since i was in 3rd grade not like a lot or everyday even, But I haven't written yet for this year. I kinda feel dumb writing. Like once i see my thoughts in front of me, I sound stupid. And I dont feel free to write what I REALLY want to because I dont want anyone knowing! Or maybe I don't want to face myself. So I limit myself. -_- But I get what yu mean to concentrate that energy into something. I think I need a career lol. So im still deciding what to do.


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