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Lonake
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posted August 04, 2011 11:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK, June vs. July were related to degrees, speaking to early degree vs. late.

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posted August 04, 2011 11:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Benedict Moon*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes I know that, once again, and its a great theory but I haven't seen a correlation in the Cancers that I know. I know June Cancers who give July Cancer a run for their money, and vice-versa. Hence I don't agree with it entirely (atleast not for my sign), unless we're talking about decan energies which can go either way (positively or negatively). Maybe the later degree person is more familiar with the energy, but that doesn't mean they can handle it better than the one earlier from what I've seen. Maybe the Sun is not well supported in the chart, maybe they also had a hideous childhood that affected them adversely, or maybe they were spoiled rotten and expect everyone else to serve their needs, and etc, etc. There's many reasons to consider here.

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posted August 05, 2011 07:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AscTaurus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've explored this topic so many times, but can come to no definitive conclusion.

I actually read up on mine:

[b]The third, Leo/Sun decan of Sagittarius[b]

[b]Here in the Leo decan of Sagittarius we have the showman or woman, one who is always on the lookout for another adventure or spontaneous experience. Their integrity and pride is great, and still they seem to always stumble into the pitfalls of excessive risk-taking, rash decision and impulsive action. Quite a few gamblers have Sagittarian/Leo influences. They need to aim far and high, and will beyond any doubt experience many great letdowns in life, because of the sheer magnitude of their ambitions and dreams. Still their optimism never fades completely, and people are drawn to their sunny personalities. They may be intellectually conceited and vain.[b]

But alas, as fun as it is to read, I ended up siding with those that say that the suggestion that there are "cusp signs" or "blending of the energies of two side by side positions", is not likely.

Many people just find fault with the way conventional astrology works; that since they are of a certain sign i.e Capricorn, then they should get on marvelously with other Capricorns or Taurians etc. Only to find that they don't(for whatever reasons)

I think that those born on a so-called "cusp" are no different than those born at any time when the Sun in in the position of that particular sign

I think that we shouldn't understate Mercury, Venus and Mars positions in such instances-especially if they fall on a sign that comes directly after the one in question.The energy of the next sign can be felt definitively for some , whilst not so much by others.


I, for one, have always felt like Sagittarius sun sign fits me to the "t". But when I look at Capricorn, Scorpio and Libra, I can't say that I am indifferent to them either.And that is because my Mercury , Venus and Mars are on the aforementioned signs respectively.

So I'd say consider the personal planets, the dominant signs(the sign that repeats the most) and that may give you clues as to why you feel "divided".

Personaly though, I've always thought of the Sun-sign position as especially potent. The Ascendant and moon do factor in(a great deal, apparently), but the Sun persists long enough to NEVER be outdone.

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posted August 05, 2011 03:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for etherealenlightenment     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by AriesSun:
Can I ask, where are your mercury and venus?

Sure

My Mercury is in Taurus at 8 degrees in the 9th
My Venus is in Aries at 17 degrees in the 8th

Also, I'm a Virgo AC, so Mercury is the ruler of my chart

Gemini is on the MC

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posted August 05, 2011 06:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AriesSun     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by etherealenlightenment:
Sure

My Mercury is in Taurus at 8 degrees in the 9th
My Venus is in Aries at 17 degrees in the 8th

Also, I'm a Virgo AC, so Mercury is the ruler of my chart

Gemini is on the MC


I think these things explain very well why you feel that Gemini influence - but now i got some feeling that i understood something wrongly and you really do know that, i'm sorry i blame my bad English,lol!

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posted August 05, 2011 09:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Benedict Moon*:
Yes I know that, once again, and its a great theory but I haven't seen a correlation in the Cancers that I know. I know June Cancers who give July Cancer a run for their money, and vice-versa. Hence I don't agree with it entirely (atleast not for my sign), unless we're talking about decan energies which can go either way (positively or negatively). Maybe the later degree person is more familiar with the energy, but that doesn't mean they can handle it better than the one earlier from what I've seen. Maybe the Sun is not well supported in the chart, maybe they also had a hideous childhood that affected them adversely, or maybe they were spoiled rotten and expect everyone else to serve their needs, and etc, etc. There's many reasons to consider here.

Again, I was obviously isolating one part.

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posted August 05, 2011 10:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Benedict Moon*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And your point is? My original comment wasn't even directed at you to begin with, so I'm not really concerned with what you were trying to do. And My original opinion still stands because I haven't seen it play out that way in reality. And it is because I haven't seen it pan out like that in reality that I believe there are too many factors to consider when deciding *who* handles the sign energy better other than degree hierarchies (early vs. late). Astrology is not that black and white.

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posted August 05, 2011 11:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You tried to disguise it. I'm OK with anyone having a diff opinion but reply to the person who brought up the idea if you don't agree with it.

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posted August 05, 2011 11:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Benedict Moon*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I didn't TRY to do anything because I don't read every single reply in a thread. If that's your view as well, then my only fault is not acknowledging it. I skimmed through and found Nordicsoul's observation which did not correlate with my own on OUR sign, that is all. I have no idea why you're trying to pick a conflict where there really is none.

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posted August 05, 2011 11:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tell me how I'm trying to pick a conflict by stating facts. Cos it's not the case.

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posted August 06, 2011 12:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Benedict Moon*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What facts? I saw Nordic's post about early vs. late Cancerians and I responded to it, nothing more. You're making more out of it than needs to be by assuming I'm "disguising something". Disguising what? I still don't see what you're trying to get at.

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posted August 06, 2011 12:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Again, tell me how I'm trying to start a conflict.
O right, I'm not. It's not a big deal.

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Benedict Moon*
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posted August 06, 2011 12:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Benedict Moon*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You making inflamed statements like this one.....


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Originally posted by Lonake:
You tried to disguise it. I'm OK with anyone having a diff opinion but reply to the person who brought up the idea if you don't agree with it.


I really don't appreciate having to argue what *my* own intentions are with someone who I was not even trying to address. Its annoying as hell.


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posted August 06, 2011 03:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's only inflamed if that's what you're looking to find. I don't see why you're arguing about this, I already got your point. You're adding extra onto something that was not meant to be complex.

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posted August 06, 2011 06:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Benedict Moon*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I didn't *look* for anything, your statement speaks for itself as it assumes something about my intentions that you know not to be true. Anyways, if you really wished to discuss the subject with me you would have addressed that instead of derailing the thread with the aforementioned crap.

And btw, that was NOT my point. My original opinion still stands: If I can't apply a theory to real life, then its of no use to me and I have to consider other options. And it is NOT your idea btw, its been thrown around by alot of astrologers, which is also why I wouldn't need to address you even if I had actually read your post.


But at anyrate, I'm going to do something more useful with my time like going to work. If I can't respond to other people's posts without you getting up in my grill about nothing, then that's your problem, not mine. This is Northernlad's thread and he deserves to keep it *his* thread.

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posted August 06, 2011 11:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for etherealenlightenment     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by AriesSun:
I think these things explain very well why you feel that Gemini influence - but now i got some feeling that i understood something wrongly and you really do know that, i'm sorry i blame my bad English,lol!

Oh, no worries!!

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posted August 06, 2011 09:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BM, lol no one cares about your grill, whether you're talking about something in your mouth or something in your backyard. No one said aspects never played into anything, lmao. And you were replying to an idea that I brought up. So touchy.

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posted August 06, 2011 10:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jamisyn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In my experience a sign at 27+ degrees CAN take on some of the traits of the next sign and I would say it's especially likely at 29 degrees. At 29 degrees you are RIGHT on the line between one sign and another, that line is blurry.

Personally I have Venus at 28 degrees Cancer, but I most def have some Leo characteristics where Venus is concerned. And there is no other Leo in my chart, nor is my Venus in the 5th house so...there's really no other explaination for it in my chart otherwise.

My brother's bday is Oct 21st (last day of Lib) and with him, he comes off VERY much like a Libra, but he has a definate Scorpio side that only comes out when he's with family or ppl he's really close to, especially when he's hurt! For him i see the cusp placement as kind of a hidden doorway, the influence is there, but not always apparent.

Just my observations...

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posted August 06, 2011 11:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Benedict Moon*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe you should post your chart so we can see? I'm a believer in Cusps only when applied to houses in the chart because there's a definite POINT that is conjuncted. With signs, there's none of that.

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posted August 06, 2011 11:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for love being Aries     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
where does that leave me with my Uranus at 0 degrees capricorn?

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posted August 07, 2011 10:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BeholdAstarte     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i think that through experience that cusps do express both signs. my mercury is in 29 degrees virgo and i can relate perfectly to both virgo and libra. i know a woman whos rising, sun, and moon are all on a cusp and she can relate with every side. so i think its hard to just side with cusps. especially when you have them.

jasiym i agree with you completely. ive observed the same thing. i start to notice it around 28 but at 29 deffinately up to 2 degrees but 27 is like the last degree of just that one signs influence and when it gets to 3 degrees its like the very beginning influence of just that one sign.

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posted August 07, 2011 10:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BeholdAstarte     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
love being aries- that leaves with with uranus having traits of sag and cap.

mines at 1 degree cap and when i read uranus in sag i can relate, but my uranus is also on the cusp of 8th and 9th.. soo its sag trait can be excentuated with my 9th house

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posted August 08, 2011 03:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RedScorp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes yes! Jamisyn.

This Aquarius I know has a 1° Taurus moon and I definitely see Aries applying at times (active, reckless, impulsive, short temper). Now he usually has the Taurus traits under his belt (more indifferent, reliable to do tasks, just not right away), but that Aries energy is there, for sure.

EDIT! He also has no other planets in Aries or the First House, yet he was a very Aries nature. Possibly supported by a 29° Pisces Mars?

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posted August 08, 2011 03:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RedScorp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lonake:
You tried to disguise it. I'm OK with anyone having a diff opinion but reply to the person who brought up the idea if you don't agree with it.

In all fairness, BenedictMoon was replying to NordicSoul's idea of June Cancers vs. July Cancers.

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posted August 13, 2011 04:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for woah cakes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
redscorp, have you existed here in LL under a different moniker previously? you're kind of hilarious.

okay my venus is 29 sag and i definitely feel that my venus nature is as capricornian as it is sagittarian. i'm zesty and fun loving and idealistic but i'm also deeply committed and slow to open up in love as well.

i also have to say that i agree that it seems to shift around the 27 deg mark in my experience. i like the rainbow analogy.

oh and i have a question for lonake! given your first example, how would you say that a 29 deg aries IC as a 'mature' aries energy would play out? there was a LOT of anger around me growing up, and impulsive psycho sh!t for me to navigate. i am an extremely placid and/or goofy and/or cerebral person who is basically out of touch with the emotion of anger. i do feel it but it gets thought-through and dealt with pretty quickly. i hardly even get aggitated because to me it is not worth it at all and makes little 'sense' to me, though i have (especially in my younger days) attracted abusive people toward me who seemed to thrive on my calm, to need it. even my second to last bf who was an angel has a moon in aries and he'd freak out once in a while (a long running pattern for him) and i helped him with that just with my nature.

do you think that would be how this one would play out? it's always sorta perplexed me. my moon is in taurus (20 deg) ftr, last degree of my 4th house. WOAH, just noticed i have last deg of a sign on 4th cusp and last deg of 4th is occupied by the moon which rules IC house. weird. it's almost like my emotional/home life is unanchored and uprooted, even while saturated in its ruling energy.. huh..

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