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northernlad
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posted August 01, 2011 07:21 PM
  
Howdy y'alls  I'm wondering if any of you beautiful souls can help me with planets near the final degrees of a sign. I've read some articles that say the planet will start to take on some of the flavor of the sign it's about to enter and others that think cusps are all hogwash and whatever sign a planet is in is what it's in. For example, if someone's Sun was at 29' Virgo, would it be pure Virgo sun energy or would it be a Libraish Virgo sun? (I know aspects are also going to influence the energy, but I'm trying to think in simple terms  ) I appreciate your thoughts and comments.  IP: Logged |
mintgirl123
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posted August 01, 2011 08:08 PM
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Lonake
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posted August 01, 2011 10:25 PM
Sun 29 Virgo would be Virgo all the way. But it would be MATURE Virgo energy, comfy with it and able to do Virgo *like that with a snap*. Early degrees you hobble around and try to find your step with that planet and the energy. Late degrees have an energy of *been there, done that, know who i am, smooth sailing*. Late degree planets give you innate confidence. Early degrees point to constantly looking back watching the step you just took to see if it was the -right thing to do-, what went wrong, and how to fix it to make it work better next time; they're more anxiety prone.IP: Logged |
northernlad
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posted August 01, 2011 10:33 PM
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Originally posted by Lonake:
Sun 29 Virgo would be Virgo all the way. But it would be MATURE Virgo energy, comfy with it and able to do Virgo *like that with a snap*. Early degrees you hobble around and try to find your step with that planet and the energy. Late degrees have an energy of *been there, done that, know who i am, smooth sailing*. Late degree planets give you innate confidence. Early degrees point to constantly looking back watching the step you just took to see if it was the -right thing to do-, what went wrong, and how to fix it to make it work better next time; they're more anxiety prone.
That would explain my Sun at 2' Cancer. Thanks! IP: Logged |
SmilingHeart
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posted August 01, 2011 10:37 PM
Hm, isn't it all about progressions? The closer the planet is to a cusp the liklier it is to progress into the next sign at an early point in your life, changing your personality quite a bit. The Leo you're seeing probably has a progressed Virgo Sun,Mercury and Venus.IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted August 01, 2011 10:40 PM
Progressed doesn't change the natal personality, it adds a layer on top, and the layer is in place as long as the progression lasts.Virgo Sun progressed to Leo would be Virgo Sun with Leo tendencies, but still a Virgo. Nail polish wise it's like a pastel topcoat IP: Logged |
Taineberry
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posted August 02, 2011 03:01 AM
It is hard to find information on planets in very early degree of a sign. So, this is just my theory and criticsism is welcome. I think that a planet at 0 to 1 degrees of a sign means that you express the energy of that sign in a way that is very experimental and playful, but at the same time skittish and hesitant. It is like a "new born" resonance - you don't have any preconceptions about how to express the sign so you come with a fresh approach, but you are not too sure on your feet. Maybe for a visual analogy : the energy is like a new-born lamb springing around in a field - a delight to watch when its antics are supported by the herd, but as soon as it encounters a cranky old ram,it loses confidence and withdraws in fright. IP: Logged |
L0veLess
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posted August 02, 2011 03:26 AM
I read somewhere here that last degrees are supposedly the weakest?? and the strongest most pure would be 0? And that last degrees are like in a limbo hovering between the two signs. but the way Lonake described it makes sense. ------------------
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etherealenlightenment
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posted August 02, 2011 01:06 PM
I thought that the 29th degree was significant because it's called an "anaretic degree?" Supposed to be highly karmic or something?Anyway, I'm on the cusp between Taurus and Gemini, being a 28 Taurus Sun. Perhaps it's my progressed Sun in Gemini, as someone else mentioned, but I definitely feel the Gem influence quite strongly... I get along GREAT with Gems for instance, but not so great with fellow Tauruses... I'm crazy chatty, social, cerebral, etc. The reason for incompatibility with other Tauruses might just be because of my Pluto in Scorpio though. IP: Logged |
RedScorp
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posted August 04, 2011 01:40 AM
I dunno, I'm one for cusps. I liken it to a rainbow! One color is still that color, but it can blend into the next.I find energies of signs to mix when in very early or very late degrees. IP: Logged |
AriesSun
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posted August 04, 2011 08:33 AM
Well, when talking about decans - what fits very well to this topic - there is think about that first ten degrees of sign would be "truly" that signI would take Cancer sign to my example;
0-10/30 degrees would simply be very typical Cancerian
10-20/30 degrees would be more mysterious and powerful when Cancer is mixed to Scorpio quality
20-30/30 degrees would be going more with the flow, more dreamy and more leading by others than typical Cancer-type when there is Cancer and Pisces quality mixed with each others So nothernlad, when your sun is 29 degrees of Virgo that means it's Taurus decan for you.. And when Taurus is ruled by Venus i would say that you could feel very Venusian sometimes That Taurus decan could be like you're more stubborn and pleasureloving than typical Virgo, for example Here is something about Decans: http://www.astroroom.com/astrology-decans.html IP: Logged |
AriesSun
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posted August 04, 2011 08:34 AM
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Originally posted by etherealenlightenment:
I thought that the 29th degree was significant because it's called an "anaretic degree?" Supposed to be highly karmic or something?Anyway, I'm on the cusp between Taurus and Gemini, being a 28 Taurus Sun. Perhaps it's my progressed Sun in Gemini, as someone else mentioned, but I definitely feel the Gem influence quite strongly... I get along GREAT with Gems for instance, but not so great with fellow Tauruses... I'm crazy chatty, social, cerebral, etc. The reason for incompatibility with other Tauruses might just be because of my Pluto in Scorpio though.
Can I ask, where are your mercury and venus? IP: Logged |
northernlad
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posted August 04, 2011 12:31 PM
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Originally posted by AriesSun:
Well, when talking about decans - what fits very well to this topic - there is think about that first ten degrees of sign would be "truly" that signI would take Cancer sign to my example;
0-10/30 degrees would simply be very typical Cancerian
10-20/30 degrees would be more mysterious and powerful when Cancer is mixed to Scorpio quality
20-30/30 degrees would be going more with the flow, more dreamy and more leading by others than typical Cancer-type when there is Cancer and Pisces quality mixed with each others So nothernlad, when your sun is 29 degrees of Virgo that means it's Taurus decan for you.. And when Taurus is ruled by Venus i would say that you could feel very Venusian sometimes That Taurus decan could be like you're more stubborn and pleasureloving than typical Virgo, for example Here is something about Decans: http://www.astroroom.com/astrology-decans.html
My sun is 2 degrees Cancer. My example was someone I just met who acts very Libra-ish. Turns out he's got Moon, Merc, Venus, Saturn and Pluto in Libra.  IP: Logged |
AriesSun
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posted August 04, 2011 12:47 PM
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Originally posted by northernlad:
My sun is 2 degrees Cancer. My example was someone I just met who acts very Libra-ish. Turns out he's got Moon, Merc, Venus, Saturn and Pluto in Libra.
Okay, well that's quite clear then! IP: Logged |
nordicsoul
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posted August 04, 2011 02:40 PM
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Originally posted by Lonake:
Sun 29 Virgo would be Virgo all the way. But it would be MATURE Virgo energy, comfy with it and able to do Virgo *like that with a snap*. Early degrees you hobble around and try to find your step with that planet and the energy. Late degrees have an energy of *been there, done that, know who i am, smooth sailing*. Late degree planets give you innate confidence. Early degrees point to constantly looking back watching the step you just took to see if it was the -right thing to do-, what went wrong, and how to fix it to make it work better next time; they're more anxiety prone.
thaks for these thoughts. i have all my cancer stellium in the early degrees and frackly i can see your point. it is like i am learning to deal with the energy of being cancerian and go to extremes. i have seen that cancerians from july are more mature caners and manage better the sensitivity of the sign... IP: Logged |
nordicsoul
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posted August 04, 2011 02:41 PM
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Originally posted by northernlad:
That would explain my Sun at 2' Cancer. Thanks!
Northerland, i want to meet you. my mars conjunct you sun exact and my sun is at 3 degrees and my venus as 5. i think i like you!!!! IP: Logged |
Benedict Moon*
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posted August 04, 2011 02:49 PM
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Originally posted by nordicsoul:
thaks for these thoughts. i have all my cancer stellium in the early degrees and frackly i can see your point. it is like i am learning to deal with the energy of being cancerian and go to extremes. i have seen that cancerians from july are more mature caners and manage better the sensitivity of the sign...
Really? I've met July Cancers who are terrible with the energy and June ones who are serene (and vice-versa). I don't think month means anything here, but the aspects to the Cancer planets. My dad, for example (July 20th) has only the Sun in Cancer and almost everything else in fire and air. But during his "low" periods his Sun still manifests so prominently (and negatively) because its the focal point of a T-Square involving Jupiter and Mars. Its not very well supported to begin with.
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Lonake
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posted August 04, 2011 03:11 PM
^ You're adding aspects into the mix and that's not what the topic is about nor what I posted on. You have to be able to isolate the energy.IP: Logged |
northernlad
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posted August 04, 2011 03:45 PM
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Originally posted by nordicsoul:
Northerland, i want to meet you. my mars conjunct you sun exact and my sun is at 3 degrees and my venus as 5. i think i like you!!!!
My Mars is at 9' Cancer. That's a whole lot of Cancer conjunction going on. IP: Logged |
Cardinal Arbiter
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posted August 04, 2011 06:07 PM
The division of the signs is more or less arbitrary; they're all equal to keep it simple, and astrologers just relate planets within them, but theoretically each degree of the zodiac is unique.IP: Logged |
Benedict Moon*
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posted August 04, 2011 06:10 PM
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Originally posted by Lonake:
^ You're adding aspects into the mix and that's not what the topic is about nor what I posted on. You have to be able to isolate the energy.
I'm aware of that, but I was addressing the poster's POV on that seperate matter, not the topic as a whole.
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nordicsoul
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posted August 04, 2011 06:42 PM
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Originally posted by northernlad:
My Mars is at 9' Cancer. That's a whole lot of Cancer conjunction going on.
well your mars exactly sextile my taurus AC. to add to the cancer combo. he he IP: Logged |
northernlad
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posted August 04, 2011 09:26 PM
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Originally posted by nordicsoul:
well your mars exactly sextile my taurus AC. to add to the cancer combo. he he
Which would mean your AC almost exactly trines my Virgo moon. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted August 04, 2011 11:23 PM
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Originally posted by Benedict Moon*:
I'm aware of that, but I was addressing the poster's POV on that seperate matter, not the topic as a whole.
He didn't bring up aspects, he spoke directly to my response.IP: Logged |
Benedict Moon*
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posted August 04, 2011 11:42 PM
I know that, again, but I did not agree with her view on June Cancers vs. July Cancers and I brought up the aspects in one example for my reasoning as to why I thought so. Other factors must be considered beforehand, in other words. IP: Logged |
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