posted August 29, 2011 11:37 AM            

"I thought back on your method after signing off and doing natals, doing transits, always important to pay attn to house ruler so why not the synastry?"
Exactly. That is what began the house ruler thing for me.
Opened a whole new understanding of a chart for me. Well, at least in those times the houserulers are "speaking" to me (borrowing Hera`s term here, which I find just brilliant ).

I tend to give the most importance to the houserulers and secondary to the planets in[/b) these houses.

Like the houserulers indicate a [b]theme, maybe a motivation / underlying purpose/ reason/ urge, while the house where they are placed shows where and how this theme is being expressed.
In this way of course it plays a role if some planet is in the 8th house.

Like in my chart: Saturn in the 8th house will always play a role in intimate sexual relationships for me, and probably put some kind of block and seriousness on it.
But why this is, what the reason for that seriousness and even the block in sexual matters is, is being indicated in the house Saturn rules.
So why am I like that? Slow, fearful, blocked, controlled etc?
Saturn rules 2nd house - so it has everything to do with the perception of myself, how I value myself and my need for security, and probably some inferiority complexes as well (just in terms of intimate relationship, as this affects the 2nd and 8th houses only).

For someone else with Saturn in 8th house, t his Saturn might ruler their 10th house, and their controlled behaviour in intimate relationships may have a lot to do with their career or reputation. And so on.

You see what I mean?

But still where the planet is being located is the most obvious area of expression, and the houserule ris like the underlying origin of this theme.

" And with regard to events what you want to see, the ideal, is patterns repeating, not one isolated instance where you could overstate your case."
Yes, exactly.
That is why I know that my Venus-Pluto-square is one of the building blocks in my chart, even though Pluto is generational and many people will have a Pluto-Venus-square.

But in my case there is also ruler of 2nd in 8th house, ruler of 8th in 2nd house, ruler of 2nd house exactly quinkunx ruler of 8th house; and thus I also know that in my chart the Venus/Pluto theme is more connected to 2nd/8th house (Taurus/Scorpio-axis) than 7th / 8th house (Libra/Scorpio).

Though having said that my DESC is exactly trine Pluto. But it is very weak compared to the 2nd-8th house issues.
With Venus ruling 5th and Pluto ruling 11th house on top of it - all the fixed houses are there, and all the sexual ones, so probably I should see a sexual therapist.
There definitely is a theme in my chart.

"mainly asc and dsc rulers."
Yes, I usually forget about it, too. Though I tend to keep an eye on ASC, DESC-ruler, and at least 5th house ruler as well, and sometimes 8th, 4th and 12th (I have the feeling the 12th house ruler might shed some light on subconscious issues or even past life remainders that need to be brought to awareness and resolved).
I once had a very strong past life recall about someone; in that dream he had been my brother and he was shooting himself and dying in my arms on cold black and white tiles. It`s weird how clearly I remember these tiles. lol

Anyway that was before looking at the houserulers.
Turns out:
his 1st and 8th house ruler conjuncts my 12th house ruler exact (Mars-Pluto-conjunction)
The ruler of his 3rd house opposes my Karma exact; the ruler of my 3rd house squares his Karma.
Ruler of his 12th house (both) square my Mercury (my DESC-ruler). Ruler of my 12th house squares his DESC-ruler, Venus.

And on and on it goes... Definitely a past life relation gone terribly wrong. (if one believes in past lives; but even if not, that "vision" was a very strong metaphor of these astrological aspects)

"I know you're not usually keen on counting up factors"
Well, actually I am . Usually I am obsessed with giving points and see the measures on a scale. Just to be sure I am not deluding myself. But just for now I went without it.

"f you have Scorpio on the 12th then secretly you are incredibly vulnerable and longing for intensity"
Yes, that is definitely true.

" ambitions taking you away from that deep relationship you want."
Not sure about the ambition part.

"which is that fun light partnership"
Yes. though my Venus likes her fun Capricornian, more Saturn. *sighs*
You know, for the only planet on the Western side of my chart, with only two aspects (quinkunx to Moon and trine to Jupiter), he is having an AWFUL lot to say in my chart!
Of course he is the handle of all these other planets, I guess everything is somehow channelled through that Cancer Saturn in 8th house. oh joy!

"something painful perhaps, before you can make Venus/Pluto work for you. "
Yes.

My Aquarius Moon, my Sag-planets, even Neptune conjunct Mars, ASC and NN are eyeing this Venus-Pluto-VERY suspiciously.
it`s forcing me out of my comfort zone, which is intellectual (Aquarius), idealistic (Jupiter and Neptune), pretty tolerant. I am living through my mind, even through spirituality, and loving the whole world in a spiritual way, is certainly not a problem for my Neptune, and Jupiter and Uranus are curious about the world as a whole and open to them.

But Venus-Pluto demands an intensity, an intimacy, that plainly scares the other side of my being.

Falling in love is never easy or superficial and unfortunately not as idealistic as Jupiter would like it to be.
Which is probably why I avoid it. (these scary feelings find me nevertheless).

I am not a very careeroriented person. Doesn`t really matter to me, as long as I have a job and can pay the rent. Of course I take my responsibilities seriously, and as a consequence, I somehow get "pushed" into positions I never even aimed for (not THAT high, but just getting more attention than I want to).

Fulfilling my responsibilities is of course timeconsuming, which is a good excuse to not have fun I guess.
I am working on it, really.

"--Yes maybe, 6 for what our habits are what we dwell on daily, what we need to keep going, and 10th for one indicator of life purpose."
Yes, that`s what I mean. Though I think 10th house is a very visible life purpose in a worldly sense, opposite the NN which is more spiritually inclined. Though of course MC can become pretty spiritualized with connections to Neptune, Pluto or 12th house I guess.

I wonder if with Venus as ruler of MC in 1st house, there is an inherent need for selfishness in me.

Maybe it is just that tension between:
I want to be me and want to spend time with what I like (ruler of 5th house, Venus in 1st house), and this actually fulfills my lifepurpose (Venus ruler of 10th house).

and

I have a social purpose, I need to spread my ideals in a public sense (11th and 12t house ruler in 10th house). And if I do not, Pluto comes from the outer world and focuses my attention on the 10th house (thus I am being pushed into positions of authority that Inever really wanted).

Actually it fits, because I think as a teacher I cannot really deny my own perception on life and how social living together should work.
It`s not that I am constantly talking about it, but the way I act gives me away I guess. Just the fact how there are strict rules concerning how I treat other people and expect my pupils to treat each other with respect and honesty as well.
But this educational thing takes a lot of time; time I would like to spend sitting in the audience of a concert / musical / theatre play.
(which I have done a lot for the last four weeks, and will keep on doing now and then).

posted August 29, 2011 11:46 AM            

Interesting.

"Always searching for the at home feeling but men I meet usually don't want to focus as much on the emotional...OK and I won't lie sometimes I'm scared of intimacy"
I definitely can subscribe to that.
One of the great lessons in my life, too.
I guess we are all works in progress.

posted August 30, 2011 05:35 PM            

with houserulers I start with the
4th/ 5th/ 7th / 8th house and houserulers of each person, but keep notes on every aspect they make to the other`s chart (even if this includes houses that have nothing to do with 4, 5, 7 or 8) and also pay special attention if they make aspects to Sun, Moon, ASC, MC, Venus or Mars of the other person;

If the personal rulers are conjunct a houseruler, the other person may embody whatever the houseruler is about.

If the 4th/5th/7th/8th house(rulers) are aspecting Jupiter, Saturn, uranus, Neptune, Pluto it is more an action or outer influence that affects the houses; something that may not have to do with the innermost personality of the person, but something about the way they act, like with Saturn squares might indicate a blocking of that area; to see the reason for that blocking you would need to see wehre SAturn rules and where he is placed.

Aspects:
I consider conjunction / trine / opposition/ and square.

conjunction is a blending of energies;

trine is smooth and harmonious; it indicates compatibility, but is not as insistent as the challenging aspects.

opposition is sometimes a bit of a see-saw. Polarizing. Much energy is generated, attraction of opposites, which may swing to the other side.

squares are creating much heat and energy. Sometimes too much. They usually indicate areas that do not go hand in hand, tension and obstacles. Something is not in harmony.
But the square is a bit of a "too much" aspect, creating more energy than any other aspect.

It usually will overemphasise the nature of the planets involved. Saturn-squares will be like an overdose of Saturn, and therefore can be very dampening, stuffy and blocking.
Squares of Mars on the other side will generate a temperature like inside a vulcano (which might be a tad much if you just want to heat your appartment in France in Winter).

Squares of the 5th and 8th house or houserulers, just as squares of sexual planets (Mars, Pluto and sometimes Venus) might stimulate a lot of attraction, but at the same time it will be "too hot to handle" most of the time (unless that is what your natal describes as your perfect way of living).

Squares of the 4th and 7th house (like squares of Moon and Venus) are usually not that attractive; emotional Moon and harmonyseeking Venus do not really deal well with disagreements, and might not feel them as a spark of excitement like Mars would, instead they might see it as an emotional distance, which will hurt them.

Orbs:
I use three different "stages" of orbs:

00°-02° strong
02°-04° medium
04°-06° weak

Strong orbs, are usually very instantly felt; like you do not have a choice with these aspects. You react before you even know what hit you.

Weaker orbs may take some time to come to your awareness, and may just not be that insistent. MOre like a background melody.

If I stumble upon a block in interpretation, I treat the houseruler-aspects roughly as translations of the planets / signs.

Meaning I compare the ruler of 2nd and 4th house with the relationship between Taurus and Cancer, or Venus and Moon.

It is not EXACTLY the same, but it usually helps to get the interpretation going.

posted August 30, 2011 06:11 PM            

It makes sense the way you explained it. I guess right now my mind is a bit overwhelmed with a lot of stuff I'm mentally digesting, but I feel house rulers have definitely something very important to say in synastry, so I will get back on this.

posted August 31, 2011 03:30 PM            

I can understand that you have a lot on your plate to somehow absorb.
I hope you are managing well.

posted August 31, 2011 04:56 PM            

4th houses
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basic meaning:
emotional identity; core of soul; home of the soul; sometimes also upbringing and family

his 4th house ruler:

conjunct my 4th house ruler Mars - weak
square my 1st house ruler Jupiter - strong
conjunct my Neptune in 1 - strong
conjunct my NN in 1 - strong
conjunct my ASC - strong
trine my IC - weak

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my 4th house ruler:

conjunct his 4th and 7th house ruler - weak
square his 1st house ruler Mars - weak
square his 10th house ruler Jupiter - weak
square his NN - medium

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First off: I notice several DW`s:

4th house ruler:
conjunct/ square Mars
square / square 1st house ruler
square / square Jupiter
conjunct / square NN

These would probably be very obvious in an interaction.

But first things first (and these are always houserulers of the same houses in aspect):

his 4th house ruler conjunct my 4th house ruler; even though the conjunction is 4-5 degrees, I think it is still a very significant one.

Probably means that the households and families we grew up in, had some common traits. Our 4th house rulers are both in Sagittarius; so it`s not to unlikely, that both of us encountered some kind of openminded, philosophically oriented, idealistic, curious, maybe a tad too mental vibes in our early (family) lives.
This would have coloured our personality somewhat, at least the experiences might run deep in our soul`s. In our case it might be more obvious than in other cases though, because we also both have Sun in Sagittarius; and he also has Moon and MC in Sagittarius.

That is a trait we most definitely have in common and that would give an innate understanding for each other and might give a feeling of closeness, of being able to be ourselves with each other.

The DW squares to our respective ASC-rulers is problematic though, in that we are instinctively drawn into different directions. In my case my ASC ruler is in Pisces, in his case his ASC ruler is in Sagittarius, too.
The funny thing is though, that his ASC-ruler is in my ASC-sign and my ASC-ruler is in his ASC-sign.
This comes together with his ASC-ruler squaring his ASC and my ASC-ruler squaring my ASC. There seems to be a tension for both of us, between the actual ASC and the ruler of ASC.
And also funny, his 4th house ruler conjuncts my actual ASC.

It surely looks like an important connection especially from his emotional identity to my physical identity. I am not totally sure how to differentiate ASC and ASC-ruler though.

Another very interesting aspect is:
his 4th house ruler conjunct my ASC
my 4th house ruler conjunct his DESC-ruler

The emotional nature of both of us seem to interact strongly with the "relating-axis". The way he approaches other people maybe also reminds me of "home". (which it does btw)

There is one other aspect that got my attnetion and that is that
my 4th house ruler conjuncts his 4th house ruler, but at the same time squares his 10th house ruler.

Actually he has:
intercepted 1st house ruler (Mars) conjunct 10th house ruler (Jupiter) squaring 4th and 7th house ruler (Mercury)

Wow! I feel like I need to sit down. He has all the angles in aspect to each other!
There seems to be a tension inside of him between his relationships, including those that feel like home to him and probably to his family, and where he wants to go as a person, where his ambition will take him.
His 1st and 10th house ruler are in 6th house, his 4th and 7th house ruler in 9th house.
He is very devoted to his work and profession (Sun-Moon-conjunction flat on MC supports that), but at the same time emotionally he wants to expand his horizon and just be free (Sun-Moon-MC are also in Sagittarius).

And me? Well, I probably prefer his "private" side, with my 4th house ruler being conjunct to his 4th and 7th house ruler.
But it also means that there is a tension to the way he just instinctively is and where his lifepath is taking him.
I may remind him of home as well, but his lifepurpose lies not in the direction of home, of staying where he has always been.

Additionally my Neptune conjuncts his 4th house ruler exactly. Probably I come across to him as a bit of confusing or evasive, especially when it pertains communication (Neptune rules my intercepted 3rd house).

In a nutshell I`d say the 4th house connections are rather astonishing, denoting a tight interlinking of our "souls" and probably bringing old "family-issues" to the forefront for both of us, especially the challenge to somehow combine emotional needs and instinctive (physical) urge in a satisfying way, something that pops up in both our natal charts as a "theme".
A strong resonance in this area, though certainly not the easiest.

EDIT:
Also I notice his 4th house ruler has the stronger and more harmonious aspects, whereas most aspects to my 4th house ruler are squares - so probably I would not feel just as comfortable with him as the other way round.

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posted August 31, 2011 10:43 PM            

Him:
H4 Virgo ruler Mercury
H5 Libra ruler Venus
H7 Capricorn ruler Saturn
H8 Capricorn ruler Saturn

Me:
H4 Virgo ruler Mercury
H5 Libra ruler Venus
H7 Sagittarius ruler Jupiter
H8 Capricorn ruler Saturn

His Mercury ruler of his House 4 squares my Saturn ruler of my House 8 1 degree strong
His Venus ruler of his House 5 squares my Venus ruler of my House 5 2 degrees medium
His Saturn ruler of his House 7 + 8 squares my Sun 0 degrees strong
His Saturn ruler of his House 7 + 8 trines my Moon 0 degrees strong
His Saturn ruler of his House 7 + 8 trines my Mercury ruler of my House 4 6 degrees weak
His Mercury ruler of his House 4 trines my Uranus 3 degrees medium

My Mercury ruler of my House 4 trines his Saturn ruler of his House 7 + 8 6 degrees weak
My Mercury ruler of my House 4 squares his Uranus 2 degrees medium
My Venus ruler of my House 5 squares his Venus ruler of his House 5 2 degrees medium
My Venus ruler of my House 5 trines his Mars 5 degrees weak
My Venus ruler of my House 5 squares his MC 2 degrees strong
My Jupiter ruler of my House 7 squares his Sun 5 degrees weak
My Jupiter ruler of my House 7 conjuncts his Neptune 0 degrees strong
My Saturn ruler of my House 8 squares his Mercury ruler of his House 4 1 degree strong

posted September 01, 2011 07:43 AM            

I can only give a few keywords.
Ofcourse you have to check what the houserulers do in your own chart as well, and how they experess themselves. Like I did in that example above.

Anyway so here goes:

4th house
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his 4th house ruler
squares your Saturn, ruler of 8th house (strong)

your 4th house ruler
trines his Saturn, ruler of 7th and 8th house (weak)
squares his Uranus (medium)

- btw are your ASC`s conjunct?

7th house
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his 7th house ruler:
squares your Sun (strong)
trines your Moon (strong)
trines your 4th house ruler (weak)

your 7th house ruler:
squares his Sun (weak)
conjuncts his Neptune (strong)

5th house
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his 5th house ruler:
squares your Venus, ruler of 5th house (medium)

your 5th house ruler:
squares his Venus, ruler of 5th house (medium)
trines his Mars (weak)
squares his MC (strong)

8th house
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his 8th house ruler:
squares your Sun (strong)
trines your Moon (strong)
trines your 4th house ruler (weak)

your 8th house ruler:
squares his 4th house ruler

posted September 01, 2011 10:46 AM            

okay, I need to be honest. I am not perfectly certain how squares work.

Do they indicate areas that will just not work together and therefore are a like a "No"?
Or do they even heat up the attraction due to the generated energy?

The only thing I am certain of is there will be F R I C T I O N and energy, mucho energia; they will demand our attention, that is for sure. While a trine and even more the sextile can go completely unnoticed, because of its nice cushionlike smooth harmony (which is like a cuddly cushion, but will not focus our attention as much), a square probably never will go unnoticed.

Anyway my tentative hypothesis is that with a square it depends a bit on the planets and houserulers involved.

Should the squares be between Venus, Mars, Pluto or between 5th, 8th, 1st and 2nd house, the attraction might be very much there, too hot to handle sometimes even; the differences might even heat up the chemistry, though it might turn out very difficult to live with each other on a day to day basis.

Squares to Venus and Moon and 4th and 7th house rulers might be just painful though. These are more about emotional and relational compatibility anyway, and I think compatibility is easier to accomplish with harmony, and does not deal well with too much friction (unless the signs involved might indicate otherwise. A Venus in Aries might be different than a Venus in Cancer in this regard).

Squares of Saturn might be extremely difficult, as Saturn tends to put the brakes on whatever he touches, blocking it, freezing it. I think he does that because there is this very primal fear in him of losing control of a situation or even feelings. But that actually is what intimacy is about; trusting the other one so much that one can give up control a little. Nevertheless even in squares Saturn tends to be very much glue and tieing people together, probably becasue there is so much to work out and because it will take time to learn to trust.

Uranus and Neptune- squares of course bring their own issues, usually having to do with being reliable and committed or the perceived lack thereof.

In a way I see them as the counterpart of the very sticky Saturn and Pluto aspects.

posted September 01, 2011 11:04 AM            

Stellium,

4th house
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the 4th house rulers have a DW to Saturn, which is the ruler of the 8th house for both of you. So that is very significant.

There could be a deep bond and interconnection between the feeling of being at home with each other and a deeper merging. Though with Saturn involved, there is also hesitancy. Especially your Saturn has this square to his 4th house ruler and there might be some kind of block, which could prevent feeling totally comfortable with each other.

And then you can see that his 4th house ruler is square your Saturn, and your 4th house ruler is square his Uranus - two antipodes. There might be issues about (emotional) commitment.
He might shake up your inner life, but maybe also appears as unreliable or just simply unpredictable, whereas he could experience you as too careful, too hesitant, sometimes also too demanding of responsibility and stifling.

But then this pertains to the ruler of 8th house as well, t he house of the deepest sexual intimacy or just plainly emotional transformations.
It is like an aspect between Moon and Pluto in some way.
With the square there could be a very deep emotional intensity between the two of you, but as always the square indicates friction. Something does not fit.
His 4th house ruler most probably is in a different incompatible element than your 8th house ruler.

On the other hand his 7th and 8th house ruler trine your 4th house house ruler is really a nice aspect, though it is weak.
It means that his approach to partnerships and sexual relationships is in basic harmony with your emotional needs.
But since it is a trine and a weak aspect, it might take a backseat to the stronger squares.

7th house
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it seems that there is a basic compatibility of his relating style with your emotional nature (trine to your Moon and 4th house ruler), a sweet gentle interchange.

But your basic personality clashes with what he needs in a relationship. And this is even emphasized by the DW of 7th house ruler square each other`s Sun.

Now I am not totally sure, is that despite the differences an aspect of attraction and intrigue?
Or does it just basically mean that for a relationship you do not "fit" each other?

Since your 7th house is conjuncts his Neptune, you might still feel a romantic, mystical pull towards him, maybe even feel like you are "under his spell", though at the same time he might also confuse you and leave you wondering about what kind of relationship this really is you have.
You might also idealize him to the point that you do not necessarily see him for who he really is, especially with his Sun squaring his own Neptune as well.
But on the other hand Neptune conjunct 7th house ruler can also feel very dreamy and magical. Actually I do not see it as really bad. (if it was a square, there might be a real chance of being deluded, especially with no supporting personal aspects to the DESC-ruler).

posted September 01, 2011 12:14 PM            

5th house
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This is the house of the (initial) attraction and (sexual and creative) selfexpression.

You have a square between 5th house rulers, which means that they are in different signs of different elements.
Your ideas of having fun or what you are attracted to or how you express yourself might be very different.
That does not neccessarily means incompatible, but of course it is something to keep an eye on.

In the case of his 5th ruler there is not much to mitigate these differences. It is at the same time a square to Venus. Bluntly spoken: you might not be his (sexual) type.
Luckily nothing is ever so cut and dried in astrology, and maybe it means that you are not what his u s u a l type is, but you are definitely getting his attention. There IS an aspect after all! HOnestly I think it is worse, if there are no or only very weak aspects at all.
So maybe he finds the differences intriguing after all. It depends a bit on his overall chart.
But if he is attracted to you (and that is not a given), then it might come as a surprise to him.

In your case of course you share the same aspect to his 5th house ruler. But there is also a weak trine to his Mars. I would have preferred it to be closer in orb, but there might be a mild attraction from you to him, especially to his (sexual) masculine Self.

But there also is a square to his MC and that is closer in orb. So his career, or ideas of reputation and where he is oriented in his worldly lifepath will clash with that romantic side of yours. Maybe he simply will not have as much time to spend with you.

8th house
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This is the house of sexual intimacy, usually after a relationship (7th house) has formed, and of course also of emotional transformations.

First of it seems that he is being hit more deeply than you, with three aspects to his 8th house ruler, while you have only one.

This is a curious thing; even though he doesn`t seem to be as attracted to you in the initial stage, not in the playful, dating sense (5th house), if you get to the 8th house level, there is some deep connection there.
It`s like most of the attraction really is simmering under the surface. The question is can he get there, just passing over the almost not existent 5th house attraction?

Anyway, there is this DW of 4th and 8th house ruler again, that i discussed above.

Additionally his 8th house (as well as his 7th house) is in harmony with your emotional lunar energy. So he probably relates quite well to your emotions and your soul, but maybe not so much to your "surface" and the way you actively express yourself. It`s a profound, though tender aspect. Think of his pluto trine your Moon. Of course since the 8th house is the house of sexual merging, he probably will feel a quiet stream of sexual attraction to you as well.

And yet, on the other side your Sun and outward personality seems to contradict your emotional cores in some way, and he deals so much better with your Moon than your Sun.
I don`t know where your Sun is or his 8th house ruler, but the qualities of your Sun may be very different from what he needs for this intimate merging.
Still the energy of the square could be win his interest in you and your differences.

posted September 01, 2011 08:22 PM            

I would like to comment on key points that stood out for me.

Yes, our Ascendants are conjunct 5 degrees. I have Gemini AC. He has Cancer AC.

Since you gave your two different views about squares I will tell you that I perceive the squares in our synastry to be more of the kind of friction that is actually a "turn on". We are not repulsed by each other at all.

Pisces and I have been together for almost 2 years. It has taken a long time to get emotionally close to him. However, practically right from the start we said that we trusted one another with our lives. There has been many times when I pondered whether to continue the relationship or break away. At one point he said to me, "I have brought you into my world. That means something." Nevertheless, there are occasions when I still am very hesitant and careful with what I say or do. He is thoughtful in choosing his words to me as well. We do not want to hurt each other's feelings or make one of us upset. The Saturn is blocking and preventing total and complete openness.
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His 4th house ruler is square my Saturn, and my 4th house ruler is square his Uranus.
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When I begin to push he dislikes it. I feel he is extremely reliable though.

posted September 01, 2011 08:51 PM            

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This is a curious thing; even though he doesn't seem to be as attracted to you in the initial stage, if you get to the 8th house level, there is some deep connection there.
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The longer we are together this is apparent. This relationship grows deeper each day. He is more loving now than he ever was at the beginning.

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He probably relates quite well to your soul.
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He is wonderful with understanding my emotions.

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but maybe not so much to your "surface" and the way you actively express yourself. He deals so much better with your Moon than your Sun.
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I am going to keep what you said in mind. --

posted September 02, 2011 06:58 AM            

"is astrology your past time interest?"
Yes. Though sometimes it is more of a past time obsession I fear.

" You explain everything so well and it is easily understood that I could connect it with our relationship."
Thanks. I am glad that you could connect it.

" You worked hard on my post."
Actually I did. That is the thing with houserulers, it is not really all that quick, cause it goes into depth, so it takes a bit of time and concentration.

I must say, too, that it is just one piece of the puzzles. Actually it is also important what the houserulers are doing in each natal chart, or at least where they fall in each natal, and if there are planets in the 7th house making synastric aspects. They can modify the pure houseruler-aspects quite a bit.

"ry to be more of the kind of friction that is actually a "turn on"."
Thanks. That is actually what I expected to hear, at least in the case of the "erotic" energies. I am still not sure I really want a square of 4th house ruler to Saturn though. lo

"The Saturn is blocking and preventing total and complete openness."
Yes,t hat makes sense. But let`s not forget SAturn also makes things very lasting.

"I feel he is extremely reliable though."
Which is probably the best way to gain a Saturn`s trust.
It also depends what Uranus is doing in his chart and if there are strong reliable significators in his own chart, to see how Uranus manifests for him.
Also in which house in his own chart does Uranus fall and which house does it rule?

"His H4 ruler - Virgo [Mercury]
My H8 ruler - Capricorn [Saturn]
Aren't those two signs earth elements?"
Yes. But didn`t you say, his Mercury was square your SAturn? It must be an out-of-sign-square then; probably the compatible sign-background may smoothen the friction of the square a bit. Still a lot of energy created, but there is an understanding.
BTW if his H4 ruler is in Virgo, this definitely could be a sign of reliability, as the 4th house represents the "ASC of the soul". Not my term, I read it on another website.

posted September 02, 2011 07:05 AM            

"e says I am his "type"."
I am sure that there is good complimentarity in the natals then, which is what really defines our "types", synastry comes actually a bit later.

"He has even said I wear blinders when I see him."
Lol. Isn`t that a Neptunian expression!

" It is a sweet, caring interaction between us. When we are together we forget the world."
How sweet!
Well, it is a bit like Neptune-Venus-conjunction, so figures.
Does he feel like a soulmate to you?
Or like there is a psychic connection to him?

"That is interesting as we are definitely sexually turned on by one another."
Yeah, I was wondering about that 5th house connection, if the fact that the sexual houseruler was squaring a sexual planet might not play out as attraction, as well.

Seems this is so.

" I know it came as a surprise to him. It all happened out of no where!"
That makes total sense to me! That was actually what I was trying to hint at. That with the square the attraction might be somewhat surprising and unexpected.

posted September 02, 2011 07:10 AM            

"This relationship grows deeper each day. He is more loving now than he ever was at the beginning. "
Yes, I think that makes sense with the 8th house as well as the Saturn-aspects.
Maybe it is really so that the 8th house takes some time to come to the surface in a relationship (though it of course is present from the beginning, maybe we just do not notice it instantly; though that might depend on its aspects).

"My Sun is in my 8th house."
Hmm, interesting. That might modify that a bit. As his 8th house ruler connects to an 8th house planet in your chart.
It is still a square, but maybe this just indicates the intensity that is generated.

posted April 30, 2013 05:15 PM            

4th houses
His 4th house ruler Sun
Trine my 4th house ruler Jupiter medium
Square my 6th house ruler Uranus strong
Square my 7th house ruler Neptune weak
Trine my IC strong
Trine my South Node in 11th strong

My 4th house ruler Jupiter
Trine his 4th house ruler Sun medium
Quincunx his Jupiter in 6th strong
Square his 7th house ruler Saturn weak
Trine his 9th house ruler Uranus medium
Trine his South Node in 6th strong

So what i see here, is that our 4th house rulers are in a mutual aspect. Given that it's a trine and not very strong, it seems that emotionally we are quite compatible, energy flows freely. Maybe we share similar backgrounds or basically we may feel at home with each other. I included the aspect with SN/trine as it is quite interesting as a DW in this house ruler synastry. 4th house/IC deals with past lives and so does SN. As i actually remember him from my very last life when he was my husband (proven with many facts), it makes sense. If we then plus the fact that his South Node conjuncts my own IC, it makes even more sense.

The, for sure, another DW - a square to 7th house rulers. Weak, but still, they are there. So maybe we might have clashes between what we think the relationship should be. I mean, his is Saturn - stable, strict, formal, etc. Mine is Neptune - dreamy, otherwordly, head in the clouds, rose coloured glasses, etc. So it might be there. But it would not cause too much problems, as the aspects are rather weak (5-6 degrees).
There is also a mutual 4th-6th house link. In one case it is a square to my Uranus. He might not be happy with my daily haos, because actually i really am very haotic on a daily basis, it might freak him out. I know you don't consider quincunxes and sextiles here, but i've found them quite relevant, so i take them into account as well.

posted April 30, 2013 05:40 PM            

My 5th house ruler Saturn
[u]His 8th house Moon in my 5th[/u]
Square his Mercury in 11th medium
Sextile his 7th house ruler Saturn medium

posted April 30, 2013 05:51 PM            

Maybe my feelings could be explained by strong 7th & 8th house emphasis?

7th houses
His 7th house ruler Saturn
My Saturn (5th house ruler) and Neptune (7th house ruler) in his 7th

Square my 11th house ruler Moon strong
Quincunx my 8th house ruler Mars strong
Square my 4th house ruler Jupiter weak
Sextile my 5th house ruler Saturn medium
Sextile my 7th house ruler Neptune medium
Conjunct my 3rd house ruler Pluto strong
Trine my DSC strong

My 7th house ruler Neptune
His Venus (5th house ruler) in my 7th
Square his 4th house ruler Sun weak
Sextile his 5th house ruler Venus strong
Conjunct his Jupiter in 6th (on DSC) strong
Sextile his 7th, 8th house ruler Saturn medium
Conjunct his DSC strong

8th houses
His 8th house ruler Saturn
My North Node in his 7th
Square my 11th house ruler Moon strong
Quincunx my 8th house ruler Mars strong
Square my 4th house ruler Jupiter weak
Sextile my 5th house ruler Saturn medium
Sextile my 7th house ruler Neptune medium
Conjunct my 3rd house ruler Pluto strong
Trine my DSC strong

My 8th house ruler Mars
His Sun (4th house ruler) and Mercury in my 8th
Square his 5th house ruler Venus strong
Quincunx his 7th, 8th house ruler Saturn strong
Opposite his 9th house ruler Uranus strong

posted April 30, 2013 07:24 PM            

My 1st house ruler is Pluto.

It squares his sun and conjunctions his mars.
(I feel an instinctual sexual attraction on a physical level purely. Itīs almost animalistic.

My 5th house ruler is Neptune.
It sextiles his mars.
I do feel like he is my ideal sexual partner. He is the one I dream of and fantasize about, and I really enjoy that.

My 8th house ruler is Mercury.
It opposes his moon and sextiles his saturn. Maybe the saturn is what makes me feel like I canīt speak to him freely.

Basically I feel torn because alot of what Iīm attracted to sexually is about emotions (Because of pluto and neptune being the 1st and 5th house rulers I guess?) but Iīm not feelingthe mercury aspects..