posted September 05, 2011 02:36 PM            

Uranus square mars
moon conjunct pluto
Sun opposition neptune, uranus and saturn

posted September 05, 2011 02:46 PM            

My ex.. Look at his placements lol:

Ascendant, Moon and Sun in Scorpio
Moon conjunct Ascendant and Pluto
Venus/Mars square Neptune

posted September 07, 2011 07:56 AM            

---Sun or Moon in Water or Fire in hard aspect to Uranus or Pluto.

Moon in fire leo square pluto.

---Sun sq Moon, in general, especially if one is in Fire and the other in Water

nope.

---Venus sq Pluto

nope.

---Pluto in the 1st

yep!

---Predominance of Water and Fire in the chart, esp filling in Sun/Moon/ASC with no compensation from the rest of the chart, such as a lot of Air or strong Merc for detachment or strong Saturn/Capricorn for self-control.

nope, i'm earth-water.

---Moon in Fire or Water, in general.

yep, moon in fire- leo.

---Moon hard aspect Mars, even out of sign.

nope.

---Water or Fire ASC with it's ruler being in Water or Fire as well, especially if it's not in aspect to Saturn, this one will run wild on itself

uh oh! scorpio asc, ruler pluto also in scorpio. saturn is in the same house tho.

---Moon on an angle can exacerbate an already sensitive natal

yep! moon on mc.

---No Air, in general, but it could be compensated for, like I said, with strong Mercury or Saturn.

yep, no air. merc saturn are so so i guess.

---Ruler of 12th in the 6th or ruler of 6th in the 12th, this is more for depressive disorders which can coincide with a tendency to being emotionally overwrought. If someone has both of these placements then it will be close to impossible to beat depression, they love to stand in their own way, and the fallout from that will be cast onto anyone they are in contact with. They need a v.strong Pluto and a lot of support and self-discipline to get out of that mess.

nope.

---Ruler of 6th hard aspect ruler of 12th, again, more for depressive disorders, but that one factor can be aligned with a lot of needless havoc, this one will play out more internally but its side effects in the outer life can be unpredictable and are usually negative, this one is v.hard to run away from and can lead to acting out in various ways, self-defeating behaviors.

nope.

---Hard Uranus aspects point to instability, but it's been called genius as well, a fine line

posted September 07, 2011 03:12 PM            

I have been with someone who has Cancer Moon in the first house (he has cancer asc as well) and he cannot hide his emotions, so, he doesn't say anything when he's mad, but everybody knows it, and you can cut the tension with a knife, no fun there.

posted September 07, 2011 11:53 PM            

what i think contributes to my moodiness in my chart..

-Moon (Sagittarius) square Jupiter
-Mars (Pisces) square Uranus ..this is one of my closest aspects..1 degree orb.
-Scorpio ASC
-Pluto (Scorpio) conjunct ASC

posted September 08, 2011 02:27 PM            

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Originally posted by GypseeWind:
I tell you Moon in first is no picnic either

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posted September 08, 2011 09:23 PM            

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posted September 09, 2011 12:22 AM            

I knew the Moon opp venus gave him trouble and maybe confusion about how to deal with
emotional issues.

This person went through an extended and traumatic (to all of us involved) mid-life crisis, in which he acted out on all levels, that nearly tore all branches of family apart and caused disaster of epic proportions on ALL levels including, home, finances, work, etc..
The fall out is still falling out.
I blame the severe inability to EVER discuss his feelings with others, blaming others, and maybe having a wee bit of an entitlement issue.

Trust me, the women in his life adore him and bend over backward to try and please him and make things easier.

I've asked him before, to open up, there are some of us that have more than proved our worth by being here over 2 decades for him, and he simply said: I never will. I can't. This is who I am.

So, what can you do?

You just learn to cope with the moodiness, and stay out of his way.
Sometimes they come and go within the same hour!

And yes, the home does factor into it.
As in, when things are running smooth there, he does respond better, but he also does not want to expend any of HIS efforts to make the home a nicer place, so when things fall apart and he throws them across the room, it's kind of hard to blame anybody but yourself (if your him.!)

OK, and this part:

But with Moon in Cancer in the 1st it's only too easy to let it all out, esp since it's ASC ruler in the 1st, this is how they want to stand out, no ifs ands or buts, they want some attn for this and it better be good.

What do you mean? The only attention he ever gets, and lots of it, is bad, or negative b/c his moods are such terrors and affect those around him. If he wants 'good' attention, wouldn't he instinctively know that being nice or a little softer would earn him that?

Far as your question..
Early life there was a divorce, but this person has no early life memories of parents being married, his father did stay IN his life and still is in it.
But his mother married A Military Man.
So, that may be where you see the loss of control in the home front. I think he may remember (without knowing that he remembers) a very free flowing early childhood with a very zany Aqua mom in which he was the 'only man' to then an abrupt change when Military Man came into the picture and she became his slave for lack of a better word. But, even so, the step father was very good to him, and still is.

He does ABSOLUTELY have a deep desire for zero restriction. He told me once that it really p&sses him off that he has to work. And not only that, but that he has to GIVE his money AWAY to pay the bills. (See, entitlement issue, he doesn't include in that tirade, that gas and electric are good and services provided to him in advance and he must therefore pay for them later).
Let's just say he has ZERO credit cards and terrible credit at this point.

He is very, very drawn to the biker culture.
I believe if he didn't have children and love them and his aging parents so much, he'd take off on a motorcycle and maybe come back once or twice a year if that.

posted September 09, 2011 01:17 AM            

"The fall out is still falling out."
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"severe inability to EVER discuss his feelings with others"
---The Merc sq Saturn in Pisces maybe, ruling the houses they do.

The issue of entitlement is interesting. I guess there would be a few factors that go into it..just musing here, maybe selfishness, strong Fire or Mars for assertion abilities, maybe an extrovert orientation. I see Sun H7 sq Mars as popping out to me there.
Deserving what others have, if you mean it that way too, then immed I think of the 8th. Ruler of others resources 8th, Saturn, being in the 10th house of career/reputation. Maybe that could be a factor.

"he also does not want to expend any of HIS efforts to make the home a nicer place"
---Mars in the 4th doesn't typically place high value on home environment, they'd rather be elsewhere, so that could partially explain lack of respect toward the environment, since on some level it's sneered at.

"What do you mean? The only attention he ever gets, and lots of it, is bad, or negative b/c his moods are such terrors and affect those around him. If he wants 'good' attention, wouldn't he instinctively know that being nice or a little softer would earn him that?"
---Ruler of 1st in 1st typically seeks to stand out, as in they tend to act out that planet (or in this case luminary) strongly. It validates their sense of self and they need to have it expressed, if they didn't they might feel invisible and that is usually the last thing they want. Although I do not know anyone with Pisces ASC & Neptune in the 1st (Neptune correlated with being invisible) but even then, I'm sure they'd want to stand out as spiritual gurus or fabulous artists, or big time druggies even, etc. I don't think the quality of attn matters as long as they get it. When I wrote 'better be good' I used the wrong term actually since by good I meant 'a lot', it can't be someone off on the side saying 'i notice you' it has to be someone saying 'wow you are not going to be ignored' right in front of them. He sounds a bit like a child seeking attention anyway they can. Maybe that is a good correlation to ruler of 1st in the 1st, being associated with Aries and 1st being what people notice right away. When Cancer Moon is down I have seen that it can be really ugly, almost vicious, rivaling even Scorpio Moons. But that's my experience. There are some needs that need to be met and if they're not then the horrid screaming baby is all you will hear and Cancer loves to cling to the past, finds it hard to let go. The way he's acting I'd be pretty sure that something went v.wrong in his family background and it has hold of him and he can't or won't *via Cancer esp* let go. It sounds v.sad

I wonder if there was physical or sexual abuse from Military stepfather. I haven't researched charts for abuse but I always see iQ and Ami pointing to Nessus.

"it really p&sses him off that he has to work"
---Ruler of 6th is that Pluto conj the Uranus like you said zero restriction. Ruler of 10th is Neptune in 5th house of games and pleasure trine Jupiter in the 2nd grand trine Saturn in Pisces. Conj Chiron makes it esp painful to make a name for himself. Saturn in h10 could be read as finding restriction in the career, insecurity attached there, in Pisces could roam endlessly not finding anything that suits. Also more prominently there's that Moon involvement. I wonder if a Water grand trine could mean easy gains through emotional coercion is some cases...Do his outbursts put others in the palm of his hand so that he gets what he wants in terms of money, since Jupiter where we are rich is in Leo 2nd, so either he is the generous one financially or others are being generous to him and keeping his finances afloat that his Cancer Moon then clings to.

I can see the support and sympathy from women with his Moon trine Neptune and also Saturn.

posted September 09, 2011 01:46 AM            

When he wants/needs money, he does get it given to him by manipulation, he even does this to me, and I am currently barely getting by with a part/part time job and a lil' spending money that my dad sends me, but he will behave in such a way that you feel obligated to give it, and then after you do, you are rewarded with FINALLY seeing a smile, a sunny disposition, it's almost like paying for something that should come natural.

Same thing he does to his parents. He has borrowed thousands from them... literally.
They are more savvy about it now that they are older and retired, so they make him work for it, which they should of done all along.
But, he will twist things in such a way.. like, "Well, if you don't Give me money for gas to get to work, then I will have to quit and then I will get fired, etc etc etc" and knowing that he has children, of course this is EXACTLY the buttons to push with those around him.

But here is the crazy part.

He refuses to do anything at home,
and will only do for his parents if he's paid, but I've seen him do outlandish favors for friends.
Favors that have no payoff, and were probably never paid back in kind.
Like drive (using his gas that he never has) 20 miles twice a day to feed and water a friends animal who left town.
I've rode along with him for that one.
For a week he did that.
Thats only one example, but they are endless.

Yet, this is a guy who has RULES lol, on how many times you should swipe your armpits with deodorant and how many squares it takes to 'do the job sufficiently' with toilet paper.
LOL.

I am painting a bad pic, he does have lots
of wonderful qualities, like being able to mingle in with ANY diverse group and people adore him.

He is also the rock which many, many rely upon, and that in an emotional sense.
This person is THERE for you.
If he EVER cared for you, he STILL does, and always will.
He is also funny, smart, inventive... etc.

I didn't want to be 'Negative Nancy'.

So, how would you handle a person such as this?

When he is being 'Moody' to the extreme, I point it out. Makes it worse.
But if I don't, then other people suffer, so
I am always trying to nip it in the bud.
I guess just ignoring and not rewarding the negative behavior?
Is that what you would do Lonake?

posted September 09, 2011 02:02 AM            

Sun conjunct Neptune(exact)
Moon(Cancer) square Mars(Libra)exact.
I only have water and Fire dominating my chart.

I think Moon in cancer squaring Mars makes me defensive and touchy. Whilst Sun /Neptune conjunct make me very disillusioned and wanting to be left well alone.