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L0veLess
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posted September 16, 2011 03:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for L0veLess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
is there any correlation between singing ability and the ascendant??? Because not every singer has taurus moon or mercury nor a libra mercury. Maybe a libra asc or taurus asc? Or if theres other signs that give that ability.

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posted September 16, 2011 03:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bethcarliseh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted September 16, 2011 03:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for L0veLess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
leo hmm

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posted September 16, 2011 04:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Two musical singers I really like for their voices both have Pisces-ASC.

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posted September 16, 2011 05:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for britterfly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
celine dion has leo ascendant.

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posted September 16, 2011 08:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for waxlobster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think I discussed singers somewhere on here recently, it was really interesting that the charts I studied revealed that most successful singers have 3rd House ruler in aspect to the MC or the MC ruler.

I also expect to find at least one planet IN the 3rd House. Interestingly there are no particular planets you can rely on to be prominent though Mercury, Venus or Neptune on an angle can figure, mostly the planets involved in the profile reflect the *kind* of voice.

Ability to sing is a different thing to doing it for a living of course. In those cases look to 3rd House planets and 3rd House ruler with lots of enhancement aspects.

Singing is more about communication than 'the throat'

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posted September 16, 2011 12:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stawr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dang Waxlobster, that sounds acurate...

I have singing abilities, don't do it for a living...or plan on it.
And I seriously have no 3rd house planets.
My 3rd house is mostly Leo with a bit of Cancer.

I even have perfect pitch.
Growing up I got paid to be in the kids chorus in the operas in Detroit. Not enough to live off of...but that was still cool.
At age 14, I aparently had the voice of a choir boy...cause I beat out the boys for the solo in act 3 of the opera Tosca.

But then in my very late teens, I got frustrated with most show biz stuff and started to feel it was a waste of time, and I didn't have a life...and it just wasn't fun anymore.

Today...I just help out my sister's husband and friends get a higher score on rock band.

The last time I really sang was in highschool when I got one of the leads for guys and dolls. I was Miss Adalade or something like that. haha
And I got a high score on a song that I sang...at a choir competition, I messed up on the words and I still got a higher score than people in my class. LOL

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posted September 16, 2011 12:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stawr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
and my Asc is Gemini

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posted September 16, 2011 12:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stawr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I do have Leo IC...but I don't know if it has a house or not...since it's on a cusp of house 3 and 4

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posted September 16, 2011 12:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One of the singers I mentioned has:
Mercury, as ruler of 3rd house (Gemini), in Sagittarius in 9th house, squaring MC-ruler and ASC ruler in Virgo in 6th house.

No planets in 3rd house
(he has got Sun and Moon in conjunction on his MC, with them ruling 5th and 6th house)

The other singer has:
Venus as ruler of 3rd house in Taurus in 2nd house.

Venus sextiles the MC-ruler Jupiter, which conjunccts the Pisces ASC.

No planets in the 3rd house

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posted September 16, 2011 01:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xiiro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I started singing when I was about 4 years old. My parents used to take me to a retirement home every Sunday as entertainment for the residents. I also did a lot of performing in singing groups and eventually did some performing on my own.

Nothing feels more freeing to me more than the expression of music. I have Chiron in Taurus 1st house which may lend to my appreciation of singing and music, however I have always attributed it to my ASC in Aries, Mars in Leo 5th house.

I agree that Leo would also lend a lot to singing talent, especially in the realms of performance.

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posted September 17, 2011 01:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for L0veLess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
interestttiiing people!
so waxlobster i wanna know bout what yu were saying how those venus and neptune planets would influence what type of sounding voice it would be? like any examples

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posted September 17, 2011 06:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BelligerentPygmy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Off the top of my head, I think David Bowie has nothing in Taurus.

But he does have a Leo Moon (right by his descendant angle, no less) so add another Leo to the pile.

Michael Jackson had some Leo placements but he also had Mars in Taurus, so go figure.

There's also the singer Rain from Korea - very, very good voice, possibly a Leo Moon (although his birth time is unknown) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqvPyzyUuBI

Of course, that's not always true. I'm a Leo and I can't sing at ALL. loooool

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posted September 17, 2011 06:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BelligerentPygmy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Double post! Argh.

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posted September 17, 2011 08:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Singing is a learned skill, just like any other instrument, but not everyone will have the passion or inclination to develop it.

I am a singer, Libra Asc, Sun and Mercury in Aquarius, for what it's worth.

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posted September 17, 2011 08:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BelligerentPygmy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Singing is a learned skill, just like any other instrument, but not everyone will have the passion or inclination to develop it.

I am a singer, Libra Asc, Sun and Mercury in Aquarius, for what it's worth.


I don't know that I necessarily agree with that, because there are plenty of people, myself included, that no matter how much we practice, we'll never be good singers. For the most part, it's really something that you either have or you don't, and then you take lessons to refine that if you do have it. You can't make a singer out of someone who doesn't have the innate talent in the first place.

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posted September 17, 2011 08:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for acousticbob     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm told I'm a good singer.. But I didnt have the confidence to sing in public till I was mid 20's! I have taurus moon, libra mercury -mercury,saturn + pluto conjunct in 3rd house. Oh and Virgo ASC

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posted September 18, 2011 01:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stawr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:
I don't know that I necessarily agree with that, because there are plenty of people, myself included, that no matter how much we practice, we'll never be good singers. For the most part, it's really something that you either have or you don't, and then you take lessons to refine that if you do have it. You can't make a singer out of someone who doesn't have the innate talent in the first place.

I agree.
Yes practive and drive are important. But I agree you either have it or you don't.
Good singers either have relative pitch or perfect/absolute pitch.

Perfect/absolute pitch
"Absolute pitch (AP), widely referred to as perfect pitch, is the ability of a person to identify or re-create a given musical note without the benefit of an external reference."
This is something I am born with that wont ever go away...I don't sing or play an insterment right now...and I still know what a note is just by hearing it without looking. Like when my guy friend was tunning his gutar I wasn't even watching him and I was like "that's a B" and then our other friend blurted out "perfect pitch" I was surprized he knew what that is.
My mom who is an ex stage mom(I mean she wasn't that bad, but still)...thinks I don't have it anymore. My mom really had her heart set on me making it.(near the end more than I did) I think my mom just says that cause she thinks that will trigger me to "prove her wrong" but what does she know, she just has relative pitch.lol And I like to sing off key to be funny, and to mess with her sometimes.

Relative Pitch
"the skill used by singers to correctly sing a melody, following musical notation, by pitching each note in the melody according to its distance from the previous note. Alternatively, the same skill which allows someone to hear a melody for the first time and name the notes relative to some known starting pitch"
Can sing on key with a reference.

I just can't imagine someone being a suscessfull singer if they are tone deaf.
"Tone deafness is the lack of relative pitch, or the inability to distinguish between musical notes. Being tone deaf is the difficulty of being unable to correctly hear relative differences between notes that is not due to the lack of musical training or education. Tone deafness is also known variously as amusia, tune deafness, dysmelodia and dysmusia."
Pretty much even with the music playing...can't sing on key.

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posted September 18, 2011 01:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pisces moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a pretty good tone to my voice when I sing and I have pretty good control, meaning I'm not all over the place like if it's a middle c I'm not singing a high a, and then jump to a completely different octave. But I'm probably off key as much as I'm on, okay more. Maybe by one or two notes. I don't know the exact notes I'm singing but I do know when it's not the right one and I can pick it up when other people are off, so I don't think I'm tone deaf, I just have one of those voices as my sister put it, if I could sing, I'd be able to sing. You can hear the unrealized potential-lol

I have Taurus rising, Leo Mars in the 5th. My third house is cancer and has no planets in it. My moon is Pisces in the 12th.

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posted September 18, 2011 03:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BelligerentPygmy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Stawr:
I agree.
Yes practive and drive are important. But I agree you either have it or you don't.
Good singers either have relative pitch or perfect/absolute pitch.

Perfect/absolute pitch
"Absolute pitch (AP), widely referred to as perfect pitch, is the ability of a person to identify or re-create a given musical note without the benefit of an external reference."
This is something I am born with that wont ever go away...I don't sing or play an insterment right now...and I still know what a note is just by hearing it without looking. Like when my guy friend was tunning his gutar I wasn't even watching him and I was like "that's a B" and then our other friend blurted out "perfect pitch" I was surprized he knew what that is.
My mom who is an ex stage mom(I mean she wasn't that bad, but still)...thinks I don't have it anymore. My mom really had her heart set on me making it.(near the end more than I did) I think my mom just says that cause she thinks that will trigger me to "prove her wrong" but what does she know, she just has relative pitch.lol And I like to sing off key to be funny, and to mess with her sometimes.

Relative Pitch
"the skill used by singers to correctly sing a melody, following musical notation, by pitching each note in the melody according to its distance from the previous note. Alternatively, the same skill which allows someone to hear a melody for the first time and name the notes relative to some known starting pitch"
Can sing on key with a reference.

I just can't imagine someone being a suscessfull singer if they are tone deaf.
"Tone deafness is the lack of relative pitch, or the inability to distinguish between musical notes. Being tone deaf is the difficulty of being unable to correctly hear relative differences between notes that is not due to the lack of musical training or education. Tone deafness is also known variously as amusia, tune deafness, dysmelodia and dysmusia."
Pretty much even with the music playing...can't sing on key.



Most of your post went over my head because I know next to nothing about the actual technicalities and mechanics of singing, but basically a vocal coach can only improve on and mold what is actually there to begin with. They can't work miracles, and give someone with absolutely no vocal talent the gift of song.

This type of thing applies to the other arts too - if you can't find the beat to save your life and are just inherently uncoordinated, you're never going to be an extraordinary dancer, even if you have the best teachers in the world training you; if you can't draw or paint work a lick, you'll never be Picasso no matter how much you practice.

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posted September 18, 2011 04:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for L0veLess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ahh thats cool stawr. I heard julie andrews had perfect pitch.
yur a taurus? its either yur a taurus or its the other 'S'person who is haha. Also whats yur mercury?
OH! and also whats yur vocal range?
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posted September 18, 2011 06:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for maira     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The technicians who worked with him said that Michael Jackson had a perfect pitch

I'm more interested in what hinders singing ability as I've always dreamed of doing it, but I doubt that I have any talent and feel so ashamed when doing it so... I don't.
Taurus moon in the 8th, Libra asc conjunct Saturn.

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posted September 18, 2011 06:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for anongrl10     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, according to your description I have a singing talent. Ruler of my 3rd, Nept, is conjunct my MC. My 3rd has Saturn and Moon in it. Moon in Taurus.
EDIT: Actually, if my time of birth is right, the ruler of my 3rd is Venus. My natal Venus is in Scorpio which rules my 10th.
I was always selected for Choir at school. I also tried to teach myself the organ when in elementary school. I started the guitar in college. I love to sing but don't do it much.
Perhaps Saturn in the 3rd suppresses it somehow?
Apart from my HS Choir teacher I haven't had any serious encouragement to focus on singing. My family is not really musical or artistic so they wouldn't know to encourage me.

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Originally posted by waxlobster:
I think I discussed singers somewhere on here recently, it was really interesting that the charts I studied revealed that most successful singers have 3rd House ruler in aspect to the MC or the MC ruler.

I also expect to find at least one planet IN the 3rd House. Interestingly there are no particular planets you can rely on to be prominent though Mercury, Venus or Neptune on an angle can figure, mostly the planets involved in the profile reflect the *kind* of voice.

Ability to sing is a different thing to doing it for a living of course. In those cases look to 3rd House planets and 3rd House ruler with lots of enhancement aspects.

Singing is more about communication than 'the throat'


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posted September 18, 2011 06:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for maira     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also, I think it's about the drive and/or external circumstances (Michael Jackson and Mozart come to mind; they were born to authoritarian fathers who wanted to make money).

Only 3% of the population is tone deaf. I imagine that another 3% have a God given gift and they're able to sing with perfect pitch.

Later edit: I found this http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/all-babies-born-with-perfect-pitch-692723.html
It says that only 1 in 10000 retains the talent and that children who learn musical instruments at an early age are more likely than other children to have perfect pitch.
Which brings me back to external circumstances (and I'm so playing Mozart to my baby when I'll have one )

So my guess is that the natal should hold a promise of external circumstances in childhood or a drive towards singing. I remember reading that when it comes to art, the drive is not something along the lines of "I'd like to..." but more like one cannot live happily if they are not doing that particular activity (I write like that sometimes and it's as fast as I would write material that is dictated).

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posted September 18, 2011 06:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for L0veLess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
cool article! So perfect pitch alone would be horrid! It's a balance of knowing the differences in pitches along with perfect pitch thats good. Maybe it would be detrimental to make yur kid only perfect pitch! lol

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