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posted September 23, 2011 07:56 PM            

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If two people are 'meant to be' but can't get their act together, will the forces that be step in and make it happen, so to speak. Is it beyond our control as mere mortals?

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posted September 23, 2011 07:58 PM            

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posted September 23, 2011 08:04 PM            

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I think if you focus on the seperating factors e.g he lives here she lives there, he does this she does that...or anything that will make your head mush and think WOW that mountain is massive....then that's gonna put up a block for sure.

I do believe that life will ensure a way for the two people to come together beyond and above all limiting or challenging circumstances.

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posted September 23, 2011 08:15 PM            

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If they're meant to be as in soul mates then they will eventually get together. If they're not then circumstances will keep them apart.
When I say get together I mean that one will relay some kind of msg to the other that they need to hear or will be in some kind of relationship, whether acquaintance, friend, lover, brother, mom, aunt, etc.
If you can get in contact with them somehow and let them know how you feel or what you think then it is not beyond your control.

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posted September 23, 2011 08:19 PM            

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I hope that's the case....I was bought up to believe "if you want something to happen in your life, only you can make it happen, no one else", but when it comes to interfering with another persons will, I don't quite know what to do.

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posted September 23, 2011 08:25 PM            

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As it stands I think Iv'e done more damage than anything.

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posted September 23, 2011 08:40 PM            

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It's a funny concept.
I believe in free will but I also believe that the free will that everyone chooses is predestined so it's sort of a trick that's played on us But that's just me. I think before you're born you choose your life, who your parents will be, etc. but when you're here you forget the course you mapped out and think you're playing it by ear. I think deja vu is the bits and pieces of your memory coming back from when you mapped out your life. I feel like life on Earth is some weird experiment or some kind of crazy boot camp. And I think it's short for a reason.

"but when it comes to interfering with another persons will, I don't quite know what to do."
---Hmmm not sure what you mean by this as related to 'meant to be'.. I think the easiest thing is just to travel your own path doing what has meaning to you and if someone else is on similar path then you can meet up with them. If they want to travel elsewhere I personally don't think it's wise to tamper unless they're on a self-destructive path and are obviously sick or injured in some way and/or in need of aid.

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posted September 23, 2011 09:44 PM            

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"Fate is the cards that you are dealt. Your destiny is what you do with those cards."

Free will, baby. Astrology is a tool that will let you see which ways the energies flow so that you can see the paths of least resistance and the ones that you have to work harder for. Fate may make it difficult for two people to be together, but if it's real love then that's a wildcard that will make the meetings happen.

But when it comes to relationships, "it takes two to tango." If the other person doesn't pitch in as much effort, they aren't worth it IMO.

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posted September 23, 2011 10:26 PM            

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So much to contemplate. All I know for sure is that it was good, the love was real, the ending was sudden and the pain is long lasting and almost to the point where it's unbearable. So if it wasn't meant to be then why did it even happen in the first place? I have racked my brain but I can't even think of any lessons learnt. It was perfect right up until a stupid argument over nothing. We were going to get married. Now he's gone.

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posted September 23, 2011 10:36 PM            

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There's always possibility of reunion later on. You never know when someone will want to rekindle something.
Otoh when I had that I learned that they weren't the type of person that I should be with, I was going after the wrong type. It felt right but it was wrong. Took yrs to learn that. I also had an engagement that ended, and I was really happy to be a part of his family since I spent a lot of time getting to know them and I was really happy that they were going to be in my life for a long time and of course that I was going to be with him. Not meant to be. He ended up in another relationship and subsequently his firstborn died. So apparently there were some things he needed to go through with her that he wasn't able to go through with me.

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posted September 23, 2011 10:43 PM            

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It makes sense that he was destined to endure the death of his firstborn and learn/experience what he needed to out of that, but what about you? What did you need to learn from that particular break up? Do we unite with specific people because ONE of us needs to gain some sort of lesson/experience? Or do we unite with people because BOTH of us need to? As a Libran, it seems wrong that one person learn, grows, evolves, while the other just feels the pain for no good reason.

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posted September 23, 2011 10:50 PM            

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Oh I know how that feels I experienced that too with me ex, the relationship was so good, we were supposed to get married, we had a silly fight, broke up suddenly and it was over got depressed for months! ...I believe we have these experiences so we can learn from it and grow as a person, maybe the reason for such relationships is even out karmic ties and maybe there are other souls waiting to have deep connections with us so we have to learn to let go.. (I hope that make sense)

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posted September 23, 2011 11:00 PM            

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Well for me I learned that I was with the wrong person that I needed someone stronger because there was just one person in his family who was iffy about me, not against me or rotten to me, but just iffy, and he listened to that person and couldn't be his own man making up his own mind. I was always able to make up my own mind regarding who I wanted to be with and never needed my family's approval so I realized I needed someone who was on that same level. (Even if it's accompanied with the trait of being nightmarishly stubborn it's what I need.) Also he was in the stage where I was going for very Airy men and didn't realize how Watery my chart was and how much I needed someone to understand me on an intuitive level. We got together based completely on mental and physical affinity, emotional as an afterthought. So it helped me to tune in to my emotions, what I needed (I have Cap Moon sq Saturn/Pluto so you can imagine the sudden shutting down that I go through lol, it can be really hard to know what I'm feeling sometimes and I v.easily go into emotional shock that lasts a v.long time) and also obv. gave me a clearer picture of the type of person I ultimately want.

I think both people learn but it doesn't always hit immediately. And some people are stubborn.

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posted September 23, 2011 11:05 PM            

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"and maybe there are other souls waiting to have deep connections with us so we have to learn to let go.. (I hope that make sense)"
---Yea this is what happened to me.

I think other people become clutter along the way when ties break (not when they die but when one or both want out). To bring new things into your life you have to have room for them. Ask anyone who is super bitter about how their ex treated them how hard it is to become involved again.
With the one I was engaged to I let go a lil bit at a time cos it was really rough for me. Now I'm at the point where I don't have any love letters he gave me, or movie ticket stubs or mementos from vacations. I never before this yr grieved about losing his family, it was too painful so I put it off and just focused on him. I cried about it for the first time last month. Sounds weird cos you're supposed to hate your in-laws but I was so happy that we were gonna be together, prob since the fam I grew up with has been broken for yrs.

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posted September 23, 2011 11:11 PM            

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Funny you say that, we share a birthday, but are 12 months apart, still we both have fire moons, so the rapport was there. Him - Venus in Virgo, mine is in Sag. Since we broke up I have been thoroughly researching anything and everything Virgo, and now all of a sudden it's as though nothing but Virgo's walk the planet. Everyone I meet is either Sun or Moon in Virgo, maybe there's something there. I could let go if only it made sense. I need it to make sense.

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posted September 23, 2011 11:28 PM            

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You're gonna wind up with a Virgo now
Virgos need things to make sense (!)
No really do you have something progressed into Virgo now? Maybe even one of your angles?

I had the same thing happen (!) It works. You can literally dream any type of person into your life. It make take a lil while but if you have your focus there then they will appear. Some of them were there all along and you never noticed them, some are new and are exactly made-to-order. Then 'be careful what you wish for' all of a sudden pops into your mind lol. You can also 'order' someone into your life to help you with a problem. But it's only happened to me when I've been a bit obsessed with it like you. You can't ask or think it over once or twice, you gotta be focused.

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posted September 23, 2011 11:43 PM            

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Kinda makes sense now! I did see a psychic (2 weeks after the breakup) and she said there's a younger guy, never married, no kids, coming, and he is an Earth sign. Maybe Virgo? I know I can't move on just yet, but maybe the reason for it all was for me to find the right person. Just wish my children didn't need to be hurt in the process, but I suppose they too, have their path. A tangled web.

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posted September 23, 2011 11:44 PM            

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I really don't like Virgo's. Lol.

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posted September 24, 2011 02:19 AM            

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I should have said I really don't like Virgo, not Virgo's. I don't mean I don't like people born under that sign I just mean a lot of Virgo traits don't appeal to me. That's all! :-)

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posted September 24, 2011 02:23 AM            

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Originally posted by Libreo:
If two people are 'meant to be' but can't get their act together, will the forces that be step in and make it happen, so to speak. Is it beyond our control as mere mortals?

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No way.

Ultimately it's always, ALWAYS up to the people involved. Everything about astrology is just potential; it doesn't MAKE anything happen, and we always have free will, so say if the person that's meant for you turns out to be a serial killer, you aren't FORCED to end up with them lmao.

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posted September 24, 2011 02:28 AM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
If they're meant to be as in soul mates then they will eventually get together. If they're not then circumstances will keep them apart.
When I say get together I mean that one will relay some kind of msg to the other that they need to hear or will be in some kind of relationship, whether acquaintance, friend, lover, brother, mom, aunt, etc.
If you can get in contact with them somehow and let them know how you feel or what you think then it is not beyond your control.

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I don't think that's so, I don't think being meant for one another is a guarantee that you will get together at all, or even that if you did, it would last. There are no guarantees in this life, not even in astrology. What it means is just that you're right for one another, period. Whether or not you do anything with that or whether it works out in the end is all up in the air and depends on the decisions and choices those two people make.

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posted September 24, 2011 04:11 AM            

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I think that BelligerentPygmy makes a lot of good points. Astrology, to me, is like a map of the world. Where you go using that map and how you get there is completely up to you.

I would also say that sometimes people who do end up together aren't necessarily *happy* together. People stay in toxic relationships all of the time. Before divorce was more socially accepted and common, people in bad relationships had little or no possibility of escape. So, being together isn't necessarily a good thing.

I'd also say that sometimes, even though it doesn't seem like it initially, what you want is the worst thing for you. I recall a few wishes that I had and, after I learned a few things, I count my lucky stars and am so incredibly thankful that things didn't work out. I would have been miserable if they had.

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posted September 24, 2011 04:23 AM            

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I don't think that's so, I don't think being meant for one another is a guarantee that you will get together at all, or even that if you did, it would last. There are no guarantees in this life, not even in astrology. What it means is just that you're right for one another, period. Whether or not you do anything with that or whether it works out in the end is all up in the air and depends on the decisions and choices those two people make.

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I think they're soul mates and it's a contract they make to meet up somehow, for whatever reason. Being a soul mate doesn't always mean hearts and flowers, it could be a really neg experience.

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I recall a few wishes that I had and, after I learned a few things, I count my lucky stars and am so incredibly thankful that things didn't work out. I would have been miserable if they had.

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Exactly. Be careful what you wish for, kiddies (!)

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posted September 24, 2011 04:58 AM            

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What if two soulmates want to be together but one of them...for various reasons can't get past their stubborn pride? What should the other do? Just wait?

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posted September 24, 2011 06:17 AM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
It's a funny concept.
I believe in free will but I also believe that the free will that everyone chooses is predestined so it's sort of a trick that's played on us But that's just me. I think before you're born you choose your life, who your parents will be, etc. but when you're here you forget the course you mapped out and think you're playing it by ear. I think deja vu is the bits and pieces of your memory coming back from when you mapped out your life. I feel like life on Earth is some weird experiment or some kind of crazy boot camp. And I think it's short for a reason.

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Agree with Everything you say here Lonake.

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