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Topic: T Pluto square N Uranus?
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anongrl10
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From: won't_disclose
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posted October 02, 2011 02:41 PM
  
Forgive me but I don't understand. Why do you think the Pl square Ur transit will be positive? I know they're slow planets but they will come to an exact square. Do you consider all squares of slow planets positive or were you saying that it would be positive for someone like me who has these planets as rulers of the 1st and 10th?
I've always thought the 4th/home/moon is the mother and 10th/Sun/career the father. I've read the opposite too so it seems it's under debate. Besides, judging from my life, I get along much better with my father than with my mother. What I don't get is why you think the square is "positive for me". I would appreciate an explanation. Thanks. quote:
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They are slow moving planets, staying in orb, as was written.
No, 10th is mother.
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anongrl10
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posted October 03, 2011 02:25 AM
bumpdoes anyone see what coffee sees? could this transit be positive? it'd be really lovely if it was; i keep reading doom and gloom about it everywhere, it'd be nice to see how it will be positive in my case.
Coffee, if you're out there, hope you stay long enough to explain why you said that T Pluto square my N Uranus, chart ruler, would be a positive transit. I just want to see what you see! Thanks! IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted October 03, 2011 05:17 AM
There are astrologers who do not see the square as bad aspects, just as a dynamic one (I am inclined to agree, especially in terms of transits).
It means that the created energy and dynamic is more intense, stronger with a square than a sextile for example, thus it is more likely that it makes something "happen".
(Seriously, it even works in synastries to a degree; I have never seen the spark of love without a square or opposition here and there  ).The quality of the aspect actually depends more on the symbolism of the two planets involved than the aspect itself. So square just means energy, you cannot avoid the issue. That is why often when someone feels in love there will be a square, opposition or even semisquare, sesisquare bewteen Sun and Venus in their directions, rather than a sextile. Sun and Venus go well together of course, Uranus and Pluto not so much. I think Coffee was seeing them as ruler of 1st and 10th house, and on this background there could be some official recognition (10th house) for you personally (1st house) in the cards, and with the square the energy would be high and vibrating. I agree to a degree, but at the same time it is still Pluto and uranus. Adn there might be very strong transformational issues.
There is upheaval and even revolution, overwhelming changes, that could be internal as well, that will leave you feel like you are on a true rollercoaster. pluto is currently "renovating" your house of friends, groups and hopes and fears. Probably your ideas here are being challenged and even transformed in deep ways. At the same time the square to Uranus in 8th (as your aSc-ruler), will challenge any kind of intimacy issues, if you have any, and this will affect your whole personality. As an end result your personality (Uranus as ASC-ruler) as well as your goals and direction in life (Pluto as MC-ruler) will be utterly changed.
Are you at a crossroad in your life?
has intimate commitment become an issue? Either because you tend to run away from it or the other does?
Are you torn between making your own mark in your life / career / society / large groups (Tr Pluto as ruler of MC currently in 11th house) and giving yourself into a one-on-one personal sexual relationship, though this will probably not be all that conventional, with uranus as ruler of 1st in 8th house? I think Pluto wants you to redefine what you want for your life in a big way, especially reevalute your attitude towards career, friends as well as your personal appearance and how you give yourself (or resist to) and accept intimacy. IP: Logged |
anongrl10
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posted October 03, 2011 05:48 AM
Ceri, I'm so grateful for your carefully articulated all-encompassing response.
Yes, I'm at a crossroads, how could I not be? It started when Pl sq N Pl in the 8th 4yrs ago and it has been a roller-coaster since.
It's fantastic to hear there is a possibility for a positive twist in all this. I'm a pretty intense person so Pluto doesn't scare me (much) if it just adds tension.
Big belly laugh on the "renovation" note about Pluto on my 11th. Gosh, for sure I am getting lots and lots of lessons about friends and groups. Painful lessons but I just hope I am moving ahead and becoming aware of things vs. just grieving for the losses.
Yes, with 3 natal planets in my 8th you bet I have some issues to take care of there! Baseline: getting close is painful. :-/
It would be great if that changed; I want it to change! I know it's a challenge, but again Pluto energy is familiar to me. Both my natal Pluto and natal Uranus are well-aspected in my chart.
Ceri -- your response was very helpful. I will read it again and copy/paste it on my desktop.
Thank you so much for both the insight and for coming back to me as you promised. I appreciate it very much.A 
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Ceridwen
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posted October 03, 2011 09:17 AM
Anongrl,you`re welcome. I forgot to ask if you had experienced losses of or through friends, but I guess your post answered that. In my experiences Pluto forces you to go really deep inside of you, sometimes it is as if he takes everything away from you, he strips you of all "crooks" you made for yourself to rely on; but also he just burns away what is unreal, so in the end, in the ashes, there is this spark of your naked real essence.
Almost like a new born baby, without the defenses you used to rely on, but also with the chance of a complete redefinition and rebirth. Also, often we think we NEED something or someone, just because we want to or are attracted. we mistake our wishes for our needs, and Pluto will rip that veil off your eyes, and bring you in touch with what you REALLY need, and sometimes you may not like that at all! You will even say: Pluto, you are wrong! I really need that person, I cannot live without them.
And often this person will disappear from your life, and even through all the pain and suffering, at one point you will eventually rise up and say: Yes, Pluto, you were right. I didn`t need them. I can survive without them, being my own person. But I still miss them, because I loved being the person I was when I was around them. And Pluto might say: It`s okay to miss someone, it is not the same as thinking you depend on them for your naked survival.
But when you were that person around them and liked yourself, you can be that person, even when noone is around, because it is within your essence, your core personality, you do not need them to lure it out, they were just showing you that this side of you exists, and now you can express it on your own. Pluto transits are precious to me because they show me a very honest side of myself, that I might not even have seen myself, uncovering delusions and even lies I might have believed about myself. I always thought I was a really indpendent person. It was during a Pluto-transit that I realized just how much I depended on others and that denying it is not the same as if it was not true. And mushy as that sounds, I was searching for my Self, it is a lifelong search, but I think now I am closer to it than I ever was before, hoping to get closer with every step.
it is about peeling away the layers of selfdefence and ideas we constructed so we can feel safe.
But facing the unknown, discovering unchartered territory is what makes us grow and develop - and that is imo, what Pluto is plunging us into. Sure he could be a bit more sensitive to our vulnerable Egos.  IP: Logged |
anongrl10
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From: won't_disclose
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posted October 03, 2011 09:56 AM
This line resonated with me, Ceri: quote:
I always thought I was a really indpendent person. It was during a Pluto-transit that I realized just how much I depended on others and that denying it is not the same as if it was not true.
It's strange. With me, I always knew that it's easy to need/seek/depend on others and strove for independence instead. I did not want to automatically default to a needy/dependent situation with anyone in my life. So I refused to acknowledge my need for help for a long time. Now, Pluto says "you need them, baby, 'fess up!" lol...
Yeah, he's like a bull in a china store. No sensitivity at all.
I lost a lot of friends and surprisingly an old friend that I willingly let go is still going strong! That's very weird in my books. To the point that it makes me doubt my judgement. So Pluto says 'no this friend, nope, neither this one, no no no NO' and then suddenly when I say 'no' to this old friend I feel estranged to, Pluto says 'not so quick!' LOL
Very weird. This friend btw is a Scorpio Sun. LOL
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Ceridwen
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posted October 03, 2011 10:06 AM
You can be sure, those friends who will "survive" the peeling away of Pluto, have real substance!And these might be the people you actually need in your life. IP: Logged |
anongrl10
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posted October 03, 2011 10:21 AM
Alas, even that is a bit complicated. He recently married and his wife is kinda jealous of our friendship. So although he keeps in touch, I had thought of letting him go for obvious reasons. But that friendship keeps on surviving in ways that have surprised me really. I totally wasn't expecting anything to be there still. I do have a feeling though that he's not very happy in his marriage. We're not in the same cities anymore so although the friendship is there in many meaningful ways, he's not the buddy I see daily, u know?
I have told him that if his marriage suffers because of our friendship, I would rather let go than have him unhappy.
Time will tell. I don't feel pressured for any drastic decisions because of the geo distance. In the meantime, he initiates all movements and so I know he wants to stay in touch and I accept/respect that. He's one of the very few people who have known me for a while. I'm no longer the person he met all these yrs ago, I don't know. We have to ask Pluto if anything of the old me is still around! LOL IP: Logged |
anongrl10
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posted October 04, 2011 08:54 AM
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Ceridwen
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posted October 04, 2011 09:14 AM
I see. That sounds complicateed, indeed. But also as if you both value the friendship. IP: Logged |
anongrl10
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posted October 04, 2011 09:18 AM
True. He proved himself a real friend by not accepting my letting go. After losing so many people from my life -courtesy-Pluto- I was very blessed to have one person still in it even with the limitations I mentioned. Let me know how this T Pl conj Venus transit going. Just checked the other thread. The guy I like, C, has it soon in orb... IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted October 04, 2011 09:34 AM
So far, it has been rather nice towards me, providing me with intense emotional experiences, all processed internally, and insights.
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anongrl10
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posted October 04, 2011 09:37 AM
I hope you also get a lot of attention too!
I have my Venus return as we speak and I noticed people noticed me and I even got compliments from other women out of the blue!
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Coffee
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posted October 04, 2011 11:12 AM
quote:
Originally posted by anongrl10:
Forgive me but I don't understand. Why do you think the Pl square Ur transit will be positive? I know they're slow planets but they will come to an exact square. Do you consider all squares of slow planets positive or were you saying that it would be positive for someone like me who has these planets as rulers of the 1st and 10th?
I've always thought the 4th/home/moon is the mother and 10th/Sun/career the father. I've read the opposite too so it seems it's under debate. Besides, judging from my life, I get along much better with my father than with my mother. What I don't get is why you think the square is "positive for me". I would appreciate an explanation. Thanks.
As both planets are slow moving, any aspect is great as they don't aspect much at all. Simple as that. I don't know how to explain it better. IP: Logged |
anongrl10
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From: won't_disclose
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posted October 04, 2011 11:33 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Coffee:
As both planets are slow moving, any aspect is great as they don't aspect much at all.
But they do! They will come to an exact square.
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RedScorp
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posted October 04, 2011 11:52 AM
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Originally posted by anongrl10:
But they do! They will come to an exact square.
I think coffee means the planets move so slowly that aspects don't occur frequently, therefore, their effects and what not are more emphasized and rarer. That's what I can gather. IP: Logged |
anongrl10
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posted October 04, 2011 04:38 PM
That doesn't explain why he thinks that the effects of the *square* will be *positive*. quote:
Originally posted by RedScorp:
I think coffee means the planets move so slowly that aspects don't occur frequently, therefore, their effects and what not are more emphasized and rarer. That's what I can gather.
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Coffee
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posted October 05, 2011 09:00 AM
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Originally posted by anongrl10:
That doesn't explain why he thinks that the effects of the *square* will be *positive*.
Forget about the type of aspect and concentrate on the fact that they do aspect. Pluto will take another 20 years to aspect Uranus, and the previous one was 20 years before this one. No more to say on the matter. IP: Logged |
anongrl10
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From: won't_disclose
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posted October 05, 2011 12:51 PM
Well, there are a lot of astrologers out there who will disagree with what you say and I considered it interesting to hear a different point of view. As I am into astrology, I thought I would learn from your different view. But the tone of your message is not conductive of learning. It's a shame really. If you want people to learn from you, you need to be willing to explain and analyze your point of you. Getting curt with those who ask you for your insight is not really nice and it's also weird to me at least. Oh well. For your information, the reason I cared so much about your original view was because I sense things might be changing to the better for me (despite the chaos I'm in still) and thought perhaps there is a connection to this. I understand that you call this a fortunate rare event that these two planets come to an aspect (of any sort) but 20yrs is not a lot (I'm no spring chicken). However I just got inspired to go check on my chart what was going on in my life 20yrs ago.
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Originally posted by Coffee:
Forget about the type of aspect and concentrate on the fact that they do aspect. Pluto will take another 20 years to aspect Uranus, and the previous one was 20 years before this one.No more to say on the matter.
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