posted October 04, 2011 01:10 PM            

What in someone's chart shows this?

Please share any insight you have.

posted October 04, 2011 02:34 PM            

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Originally posted by sand:
venus-saturn?

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posted October 04, 2011 03:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Lioness:
my mom doesnt have Venus/Saturn but she does have Saturn in H7.

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posted October 04, 2011 03:06 PM            

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Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:
I think too that if you have indicators for being unusual or a noncomformist and being uncompromising, that tends to mean that by default it will probably take you longer to find a person that both can appreciate that and is compatible with you and also, has the balls to go against society's dictates and set up house with you.

In one sentence ? Basically, odd-balls are going to take a little longer to find the right person. Obvious indicators of that sort of thing are Uranus/Aquarius activity in a chart.

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posted October 04, 2011 03:18 PM            

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Originally posted by CosmicKarma360:
Ooohh Boy... Yup. I'd probably fall into the "oddball" category, and at 47, still not hitched. Plus, not only does n.Venus square n.Saturn in my chart, but I have a whole lotta activity on my n.Uranus. I often do wonder why it is I can't find someone who kind of *fits* with me. I feel so different all the time.

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posted October 04, 2011 06:09 PM            

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Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:
[...] And I'm not willing to try and be something I'm not, so it'll probably be just me for awhile, but honestly it's worth it rather than change myself into something I don't recognize in the mirror just so I can say I'm not alone.

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--I completely respect that and I agree.

Personally (and this is odd for a Libra, I know), I really don't want to get married. (For what it's worth, Sag ascendant, Uranus and Saturn in the first house). To go even further, I don't even date/hookup. I just don't have a wish for that. I like the *idea* of romance in my head, but I like to keep it there. I just don't honestly feel the need for marriage. I have a very strong desire for relationships, but not of the romantic variety. My longing for deep and closely-connected friendships is very, very intense, as is my longing for a spiritual relationship (i.e., with God, as I do believe in God); that's how my need for partnership shows up in my life.

I don't really like the idea that society pushes that you're a failure or undesirable if you don't get married--like being single means that you're some kind of loser or that no one wants you or that you're too "childish" to get married. I have to call BS on that. Just because a person gets married doesn't mean she or she is loved (or that he/she loves), or that it will last. Some people who get married are very lonely, and some people who are single have a wide social circle. I'm not anti-marriage in all cases, of course: when the right people get together for the right reasons, and are truly loving toward one another and treat each other right, that can be beautiful. I'm happy for people who are happily married and find their joy a beauty to behold. I just don't think that married people are worth more or are happier than single people are, or that marriage is more noble than singleness.

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*I use the whole sign system*

Libra Sun, Mercury
Scorpio Venus
Capricorn Mars
Cancer Moon

posted October 04, 2011 06:52 PM            

I don't have any Aquarius (except that it is my 4th/IC cusp) but even my best friends have told me "it's going to take a special guy to handle you". I tend to be harsh, cynical, overly passionate and zealous to a point...I think most men don't know how to handle my intensity. And if they try, well I usually run far away because you can't tame a beast

I don't even have interest in marriage and I am 24. I can't imagine myself 'settling down' ANY time soon.

posted October 04, 2011 07:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Stawr:
Successful marriage later in life.

What in someone's chart shows this?

Please share any insight you have.

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posted October 04, 2011 10:33 PM            

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Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:
--I completely respect that and I agree.

Personally (and this is odd for a Libra, I know), I really don't want to get married. (For what it's worth, Sag ascendant, Uranus and Saturn in the first house). To go even further, I don't even date/hookup. I just don't have a wish for that. I like the *idea* of romance in my head, but I like to keep it there. I just don't honestly feel the need for marriage. I have a very strong desire for relationships, but not of the romantic variety. My longing for deep and closely-connected friendships is very, very intense, as is my longing for a spiritual relationship (i.e., with God, as I do believe in God); that's how my need for partnership shows up in my life.

I don't really like the idea that society pushes that you're a failure or undesirable if you don't get married--like being single means that you're some kind of loser or that no one wants you or that you're too "childish" to get married. I have to call BS on that. Just because a person gets married doesn't mean she or she is loved (or that he/she loves), or that it will last. Some people who get married are very lonely, and some people who are single have a wide social circle. I'm not anti-marriage in all cases, of course: when the right people get together for the right reasons, and are truly loving toward one another and treat each other right, that can be beautiful. I'm happy for people who are happily married and find their joy a beauty to behold. I just don't think that married people are worth more or are happier than single people are, or that marriage is more noble than singleness.

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Surprisingly, that I can't relate to. I definitely want to marry or at least settle down into some kind of permanent relationship or commitment with another person. But do I feel like I NEED that to breathe? No, or obviously I would have sold myself out and made myself into what one of these guys wanted me to be just to keep them around and get that. But I do definitely want to share my life with someone who I can love who loves me and appreciates me for who I am and just put down roots in some way.

The morons I've dated have all at some point tried to discourage me about the odds of that happening - some saying that no guy would ever want me; that it's not true that there's someone for everyone; or how I need to lower my standards (and apparently say yes to anyone who approaches me because I'm so weird I should be grateful I get approached at all). I know better than to believe that bulls**t though.

There's billions of men out there; statistically the odds are in my favor that I'll eventually find someone who appreciates and gets me. And if their mentally ill, addiction-prone, abusive, chronically unfaithful, sick and diseased a$$es can find people who want them, then there's definitely hope for me.

posted October 05, 2011 01:06 PM            

Love everyone's insight!

I have that feeling that if anything, mine will be way later in life.

I'm the odd one in my family. My folks where dating each other by my age. And my sister was dating her husband by my age (21)

And then I see my friend who is 25 crying cause she's single...and I didn't make her feel better when I told her she doesn't need a man to have kids and that she can go to a sperm bank...(I'm honestly keeping an open mind to that why should finding the right guy affect if I should have kids or not.)

I'm pretty sure Uranus is one of my dominant planets (along with Mercury and the Moon)

I also have Aqua Mars, N node, and MC.

posted October 05, 2011 01:40 PM            

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Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:
I'm the same way; I have an Aqua Ascendant, Uranus conjunct the MC. All I ever attract are people who try to change me into what they think is socially acceptable (usually by being verbally abusive towards me); or cowards who like me but won't admit it or admit it privately but don't want to be seen with or 'linked' to me because they're preoccupied with what people will think. And I'm not willing to try and be something I'm not, so it'll probably be just me for awhile, but honestly it's worth it rather than change myself into something I don't recognize in the mirror just so I can say I'm not alone.

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posted October 05, 2011 05:32 PM            

I Never married and have no kids, I just really didn't find time, there was always something else to do.

posted October 05, 2011 10:17 PM            

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Originally posted by sand:
odd balls? people are so weird and different now IMO. it's like you're the odd ball if you're normal.

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posted October 06, 2011 12:37 PM            

All I could think was, do you seriously think that way?...it was like he was saying "Your pretty, how come your a loser and fail at life?"

Yeah so people who are in relationships that get cheated on, beat up, and mentally abused, treated like crap, or fight and bicker all the time ARE THE WINNERS???!!!!

There are too many relationships like that...it seems like half of them are like that. (maybe more)

Being single or taken has nothing to do with happiness...idiot!

posted October 06, 2011 05:06 PM            

*I am about to make a little assessment using broad, sweeping generalizations, please feel free to agree and disagree because I am actually curious about this (I should start a new thread on it actually)*

Leos like an extended adolescence. Leos are hopeful and want to be stars in whatever they do. Leos want to put themselves first for as long as they possibly can. Leos get older, and after they are done doing what they want to do, they decide that it is time to settle down. When they get married young it rarely works because they have not yet found themselves.

This doesn’t mean that they don’t like to have relationships, they actually love them, it is just that the type of men they meet during extended adolescence are not suitable (they are having their fun too). Neither are the men who are chasing their dreams (they are self-centered too). While putting themselves first, Leo women might not even date because it is all about them. I believe that like attracts like. I don’t mean that we want to find someone exactly like us, we just prefer people who are on our level intellectually, socially, add any __ally here. The “Pretty Woman” (socially, not prostitutionally) and “Cinderella” fantasy is rare nowadays and if it does happen, Leo is not into it because usually the men who want to sweep them off their feet in that rough stage are controlling or perhaps, not as attractive, as they like. Not to say that Leos are superficial, just that they know what they like.

So the Leo woman goes on their journey of self-discovery and self-awareness and once they have found themselves, they are truly ready for love.

I have seen this so often, actually maybe, with all of the Leo women I have ever encountered in real life, save for one who got married young and is still married to the same man.

* One got married early, got divorced quickly (less than a year in!), went back to culinary school at 32 is now doing what she loves and is engaged to a new men who is better for her.

* I know one who got married in the middle of her extended adolescence because of family pressure (pressure was on the husband’s side too, he is a Sagittarius on his permanent adolescence), got divorced and then went to college, for what she thought she wanted to do in the first place (physical therapy) and she is now married to another physical therapist.

* I know one who lived in Ohio, on a dairy farm, was a “cow pageant queen” (lol, seriously), and decided to pack up for NYC. She tried various ways of making a living (not illegal, although that sounded like she did illegal stuff) and lived on her own for years. Then she got her real estate license and got married in her mid 30’s and had her first child at 37 (she is now 60+).

* I know one who got pregnant young, didn’t stay with the boyfriend, went back to school at age 30 and became a lawyer at 37 or 38 and met her husband, also a lawyer at 42.

* Another one who was a hellraiser in NYC but decided to go back to school in her 30s (for psychiatric nursing) and met her husband on the job (head of the psych hospital and much older).

* One moved around a lot, attended undergrad in the south, grad in the west and settled in NY (where she is from originally) and went from job to job until she got the career she wanted (social work). She got married at 38 and had her first child at 40.

I hate to use celebrities as examples because I don’t know them, I am just hearing what they want us to hear but:

Sandra Bullock – even though her situation
sucked, she married late

Delta Burke – Met her “soul mate” (Gerald McRaney, also a Leo) at age 30 (which was old 25 years ago)

Madonna – we all know about her

Lisa Kudrow – married at 32, first child at 34

Tori Amos – married at 35, first child at 37

…there are a lot more, I just don’t feel like listing…

While I know that the late 30s is not considered “late in life”, well, according to society’s rules about marriage, it is pretty late. Especially for women, I don’t like it but it’s true.

I am a Leo, I have Saturn in Virgo in the 7th (Placidus), with an Aquarius AC and Uranus is conjunct my MC which squares my Sun, Mercury and Jupiter in the 7th and widely trines my Venus on the DC! All I have to say is, boy, am I glad I didn’t marry any of the guys I dated during my “extended adolescence” (18-25). I actually gave up dating for about 5 years, before my Saturn Return (except the Cap, he was too sweet, but I have surpassed his success now) and two years after it!

I remember reading when I was 16 or 17 that with Saturn in the 7th marriage wouldn’t be until after 29. I was so sad about that because it seemed so old at the time. Now it makes perfect sense. I definitely want to get married, and I will, but my delay has less to do with Uranus (actually I think that is supposed to signify divorce, yikes) and more to do with Saturn in Virgo. I am a perfectionist to the nth degree, when it comes to me anyway. I am 32 and I am actually getting better about that and the guys I have dated recently have reflected the positive changes I have made in my life, they are way more appropriate. In fact I am very marriage minded (Venus conjunct the DC and trine the MC, Sun, Mercury, Jupiter in Leo in the 7th and Saturn, NN and Vertex in Virgo in the 7th, along with Moon in Libra and the ruler of the 5th in the 7th) but the perfectionism of Virgo trips me up and I refuse to settle for less than the best. I have a feeling I will get married pretty soon though, I don't know why...

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Honestly in a way I see my various eccentricities and things as a blessing; they help weed out and turn off all the jerks; they separate the wheat from the chaff.

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Agreed BP - this is what I like about my Uranus squares, if the "shocking" things I say (Merc sq Ur) bothers you then get lost...

posted October 06, 2011 05:24 PM            

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Originally posted by frankie2912:
sand, i think you are ignoring the fact that there are social trends and just because someone might dress odd or whatever doesnt truly make them odd.

it is still not the "norm" for people to not want kids or a marriage or a traditional (relating to their own culture) life. however, because of who we all are here on LL, we are already naturally inclined to sway from our cultural norms so we are probably all a bit odd

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hmm.. wasn't specifically thinking of social trends i don't understand but everything that contributes to their personality.

like what about divorce rates? can u say it's the norm? or more common? if more children grow up in that split environment. perhaps they could be more apprehensive of wanting the kids/ marriage.

posted October 06, 2011 05:39 PM            

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if more children grow up in that split environment. perhaps they could be more apprehensive of wanting the kids/ marriage.

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I find this to be true with myself and all of the females around my age, in my family. My parents divorced bitterly when I was young and my mother was left to support two children, one with a developmental disability, without any education or money saved. Going through that struggle contributes to my wanting to wait until “I get myself together” to get married and have kids. I want to know that I can fully support my children no matter what happens, if anything should happen. My some of my cousins are either from single parent homes or divorced homes so we feel the same way, we are all about education, education, education before men, men, men.