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RunAroundScreaming
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posted October 08, 2011 02:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just wondering. They say the opposites have to learn from each other, right? Cancers from Caps to stop avoiding reality and responsibilities, and Caps from Cancers to develop a soul and stop focusing only on their own needs. Am I right? i got the develop a soul part from cafeastrology. I am not making this up. Lol.

Just feeling very frustrated with capricorns lately. I've decided to start avoiding them =\....all they do is suck the fun, idealistic dreams, and emotional closeness out of my life. Anyone else feel this way? I want to call them "Hitler"

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posted October 08, 2011 03:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted October 08, 2011 03:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fuzzy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hehe, my mom has a Capricorn Moon, and I know exactly what you mean when you say they suck out idealistic dreams and emotional closeness out of life. I am plain scared of women as a result of my mom's behavior - she's wonderful as a supporter and a protector, but she isn't emotionally warm or emotionally encouraging. From her behavior and ways of thinking, it's obvious to me why this is the sign of Moon's detriment...

Her opinion is that feelings shouldn't be payed attention to, that decisions based on feelings and decisions that aren't practical are stupid. She believes everything one does must have a practical purpose and a practical result. This frustrates me a lot, too.

Cancer is nurturing, caring, and emotionally stable in that. Moon represents the mother, I guess Moon in Cancer cares for others like a mother for her kids... The lesson for Capricorns then is to learn the value of emotional closeness and protection and learn to accept that others (and the person themselves I guess) have emotional needs that can't be ignored.

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posted October 08, 2011 03:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maka     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:
I actually have great luck with Capricorns, and I'm a Libra.

Yes, there are some bad Cappies out there. However, to be fair to our Capricorn brothers and sisters, there are bad people of EVERY sign.

Most Capricorns that I have met really value their families, the past, and tradition--even the more liberal and open-minded Capricorns at least appreciate the past. I have met ONE Capricorn out of many who had no interest in history; most Capricorns that I have met have had some kind of history as a college major. They have tended to be a bit skeptical of anything new, flashy, untried, unstable, and unpredictable. They tend to prefer to keep emotions tightly under wraps. It takes time to build trust with them. They aren't going to be wild, loud, or flamboyant in most cases, barring some unusual influences. They tend to be more solid, stable, and reliable--some see this as "boring", but they tend to see it as being safe, practical, or dependable. They value work--sometimes too much--and tend to have a strong sense of duty.

Cancers might be able to find common ground with Capricorns through history or the past, or through "familial" or "domestic" things. Both signs tend to be home-loving.

I would say that it's important to be patient with Capricorns if you want them to break out of their shells. You have to demonstrate that you are trustworthy, reliable, and that it's "safe" to be with you--that they can let their guard down with you. The good Cappies do have feelings and emotions, and they love very deeply. It just takes them a VERY long time to really show it and to let it out. As the saying goes, "still waters run deep". Capricorns aren't just cold-hearted, soul-less, numb little robots (not the good ones, anyway). Their mannerisms are just more subtle and subdued than some of the more gregarious signs. They might show love and affection not by shouting from the rooftops or by passionate kisses in public, but maybe through their loyalty and devotion.


This sounds more like me; I have a Capricorn Asc and North Node, than my Capricorn ex, Aunts, and this new older Capricorn man.

They have this Peter Pan complex about them, they never want to grow up..and I kinda like that about them. It's not like the youthfulness or kid at heart Leo though.

It's different..and I can't describe it.

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posted October 08, 2011 03:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sand     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
these 2 signs are my ic-mc axis. i get along very well with both signs.

i guess they can be a bit on the realistic side but they definitely can be fun and non life sucky.

maybe just don't talk to them about your dreams lol or your relationships. i don't with my cappy buddy. but i'm a taurus i can't really be swayed that much so might as well just have fun and let me do my own thing coz i'll do it anyway.

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posted October 08, 2011 03:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BelligerentPygmy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
Just wondering. They say the opposites have to learn from each other, right? Cancers from Caps to stop avoiding reality and responsibilities, and Caps from Cancers to develop a soul and stop focusing only on their own needs. Am I right? i got the develop a soul part from cafeastrology. I am not making this up. Lol.

Just feeling very frustrated with capricorns lately. I've decided to start avoiding them =\....all they do is suck the fun, idealistic dreams, and emotional closeness out of my life. Anyone else feel this way? I want to call them "Hitler"


Yeah, I really really don't get on with Cap-heavy people either, and experience them in the same way you do. Cap is also my 12th house which probably just makes matters worse, and my Mars is in Cancer so that doesn't help either.

Honestly yeah, both can probably learn things from one another; Cap can probably show Cancer how to toughen up and be more of a go-getter; Cancer can probably teach Cap empathy and how to have a heart...but really I prefer to just keep my dealings with Caps to a bare minimum. loool

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posted October 08, 2011 07:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starfox     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My own Capricorn (sun) lesson has been to learn to complete circles and to then let them go.

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posted October 08, 2011 07:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for britterfly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Because Aquarius is the sign graduated from Capricorn, I believe, from personal experience, that Capricorns need to learn how to cut loose and be more carefree from Aquarius. Stop caring what other people think so much. Let your freak flag fly, at least a little. I think all the signs have something to learn from the sign after them. Pisces can teach Aquarius how to feel more and not be so objective in every situation. Aries can teach Pisces to not be so sensitive and wishy washy and to make a move already! Etc, etc.

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posted October 08, 2011 07:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starfox     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by britterfly:
Capricorns need to learn how to cut loose and be more carefree from Aquarius. Stop caring what other people think so much. Let your freak flag fly, at least a little.

Yes yes yes.

I feel this in my own Capricorn life!

I used to care so much, but after being **** on by others so much, I now just let things roll and serendipity mostly takes care of business for me

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posted October 08, 2011 07:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CosmicKarma360     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Fuzzy:
Hehe, my mom has a Capricorn Moon, and I know exactly what you mean when you say they suck out idealistic dreams and emotional closeness out of life. I am plain scared of women as a result of my mom's behavior - she's wonderful as a supporter and a protector, but she isn't emotionally warm or emotionally encouraging. From her behavior and ways of thinking, it's obvious to me why this is the sign of Moon's detriment...

Her opinion is that feelings shouldn't be payed attention to, that decisions based on feelings and decisions that aren't practical are stupid. She believes everything one does must have a practical purpose and a practical result. This frustrates me a lot, too.


Oh Wow!

This is my Cap Sun mother to a "T". I'm Aries, so we already clash, and her complete lack of nurturing and maternal instincts drive me up the wall. It really wouldn't be so bad if she would just acknowledge that there is more than just *her* way to look at something. Nope. She's always right, never wrong, and will never, EVER admit to being wrong. If she's caught doing something wrong, it's everyone else to blame. Yeah, she's one of those deeply underdeveloped Caps. The more enlightened ones really do have discrimination and maturity. Cold, but at least open to the attitudes of others.

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posted October 08, 2011 07:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starfox     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually. its probably wise if everyone stays away from Caps, we're too dark for most to deal with..

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posted October 08, 2011 10:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I vibe strongly with what somebody said about them needing to give more importance to emotional needs. They seem to have practically no sensitivity to people's emotional needs. Or maybe theydo but they just keep it all under wraps. Not just that, but they are jealous, revengeful, their voice is monotone, they always seem down, they're snobby and so judgemental of people. And all they do is complain and try to dominate you. Ugh. I have talked to so many people who know caps and they thought the cap person hated them at first because they treated them so brusquely and indifferently. And that they always seemed depressed. I really just dont undersand this behavior at all. If you are somebody's friend you should try to make them laugh, not complain about your day the entire conversation. I dunno, isn't this obvious. Plus, overbearing and rude doesnt even begin to describe them. Sorry. But that's how i feel. Can't they put some kindness into the tone of their voice? Or at least stop being so demanding.

I know that not all caps are like this, but the majority i've met definitely are. I've only met one cap that wasnt like that. Sure, most of them are nice people despite their generally dry personality, but try to make a friend smile at least. If you care so much about what other people think, then try to make the people you care about smile more often instead of drowning them with your fears, worries, complexes that everything horrible always happens to you, etc etc.

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posted October 08, 2011 11:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for britterfly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ugh. Gosh. Thank you! My sister is a Capricorn, and I pretty much hate her. I can't help it. She is extremely manipulative and self-serving. We had a long lost brother that neither of us knew. I tracked him down on the internet and made plans to meet him. My damned sister interceded, told me his trip was cancelled and he was unreachable, and then went to meet him in my place! I couldn't freaking believe it! She also left her email box open and I snooped and read some emails she sent to her brother, and it was just full of her nasty opinions about me to him, before I ever got to meet him. By the time we met, he was very apathetic toward me. That is very typical of her behavior, but that is one of the nastiest things she has done.

I'm not the only person she does this too. She is extremely, harshly judgmental of her so called "friends", who I think are very nice people, but she has nothing but disgusting, horrible things to say about them behind their backs.

Notably, she always has this fake smile plastered across her face, and she cares immensely about what people think - people who don't care half as much about her.

Capricorns can go.. themselves.

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posted October 08, 2011 11:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cappy1277     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
wow...sorry you guys had/have such negative experiences with capricorns. i am a capricorn as well but I have been in contact with some pretty harsh negative capricorns and capricorns that have enlightened me spiritually & emotionally who I can count on to always be there to give me the lift that I need. I personally am prone to my dark moments but that is when I retreat into myself & try not impose my moods onto others. the negative capricorn I knew could suck the soul out of your body.I had to cut her off after a 20 year friendship (we lost contact for about 10 years..now I remember why) She also has a scorpio moon & mars with a virgo rising. I always found her to be too judgemental & absolutely petty & vindictive. But the ones that I choose to associate with are on the same plane of spritual & mental awareness that I try to be ( I can be sidetracked sometimes ) My friends can count on me for anything in the world, I would give them the shirt off my back & my last dollar. I don't like to be involved in petty games that some people play and I absolutely mind my own business.

Hopefully you all will come into contact with some positive capricorns that can help change your minds.

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posted October 08, 2011 11:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for britterfly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know one Capricorn who is a more enlightened person all around, seemingly, but I don't know her that well. I've met up with her twice. She's always seemed very nice, and very spiritual.

My last run in with a Capricorn was a Capricorn rising, Virgo sun, Aries moon. I don't want to get in to listing my experiences with this individual, but she was not a charmer, to say the least. Capricorn was very evident in her physical appearance and mannerisms.

I can't say I've ever met a truly gentle and kind Capricorn. I would love to though! God willing!

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posted October 08, 2011 11:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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What is Capricorn's lesson?

I'd say the most common lesson... is "Don't waste time.." otherwise known as "Don't waste your life away.."

I can think of others though like..

"Don't cry over spilt milk!"

"A friend in need is a friend indeed" - *ahem* all other friends suk balls *ahem*

"Keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer."

"You get what you give" - or - "You make your bed, you sleep in it.." - also a very common lesson tapping into the saturn-karma-connection.

I can probably think of others... but I have a lot on my mind atm!

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posted October 08, 2011 11:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cappy1277     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Betty Boop...you've listed most of the mantras of my life..lol

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posted October 08, 2011 11:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@ cappy1277


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Ooopsie!!!
I realize now that I may have taken the thread title a bit too seriously.. and missed the point of this thread.

To go back on topic & "fit in", I'll say:

Capricorn-influenced folks are heartless, mean - crude.. hurtful bla bla bla.. and bla.

On the other hand ^^ because the planets in my 7th must bring some balance to everything - I will also say that...

Cancer influenced people can likewise suck the fun out of life by crying and moaning about every damn thing since the beginning of time... never ending-ly - forever more.. just crying and moaning and crying some more... on and on... and on.... and when you think it is over... well.... basically... you are wrong... because it is never over... they are simply taking a break... to regroup... and continue... crying - and moaning... and... crying.

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posted October 09, 2011 12:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Goodness!

I never knew there was so much resentment towards caps, lol!

Not saying I haven't had them make me mad, but they are one of my favorite signs.
I'm starting to think (maybe it's just me)
that ppl bunch up with those in their season.
Like I see summer people together a lot, you know Cancer/ Taurus couples, or Cancer/ Leo friends, etc..

I like summer people too, but I don't understand them.
Winter people have a heavy sort of weariness about them, but it's something you just have to bust past.
If you really aren't in it for the long haul or the right reasons, they sort of sense this and you'll only get the defensive facade unfortunately.
I'm married to a cap, btw, and I know how deeply emotional they are, but how much it pains them to feel it, let alone SHOW it.
Especially the men.
The girls are great, I don't see them the way you guys do at all.
Maybe it's cos I have a Cap MC.

I think the lesson for cap is similar as the lesson for scorp.
Don't let your life become a self fulfilling prophecy.
Caps know they will succeed in something that isn't the problem.
I think the issue is they lack the self confidence to believe they can succeed in many things, esp relationships.

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posted October 09, 2011 01:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I never knew there was so much resentment towards caps, lol!

lol It's not just Capricorns Gypsee!
If anyone starts a thread like this about any sign at all -- everyone habitually 'gangs up' remembering their ex boyfriends and their parents... and all of the negative experiences they had with these people.

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posted October 09, 2011 01:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually - come to think of it now.. it's kind of interesting how it is almost always - exes... or parents (they are the most dreaded people it seems).

I should start a thread asking how many people here have issues with the signs that are prominent in their parents' charts or their exes charts.

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posted October 09, 2011 01:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquavenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Actually. its probably wise if everyone stays away from Caps, we're too dark for most to deal with..

hahaha I second that! We are quite the hated sign it seems :P

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posted October 09, 2011 01:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xiiro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When I was first learning about astrology, I had a hard time understanding Capricorns. This was partially due to my Grandfather and Aunt being two very warm and caring Capricorns. They never seemed to fit the textbook description. In fact, I have only met one Capricorn who I would consider “typical”. The rest spanned from quiet comedian, to emotionally manipulative drama vampire, to hypochondriac Vicodin addict, sexually obsessed with her spirit guide Tupac (yes, that Tupac). For my adventure into Capricorn, I had to consider what kinds of shared experiences lead to my friend's personality development. Here's what I walked away with.

Capricorn's sensitivity can actually be as deep as Cancer's emotions. The focus is not on experiencing their sensations however, but utilizing them to build a better self. Both Cancer and Capricorn are born "linked" to their environment, Cancer's link is emotional (Water), where Capricorn's is sensual (Earth). Because Cancer's link is emotional, her consciousness is internal. Like a crab, she identifies as a soft organism who must acquire shelter within a hard shell (a safe personal space) in order to experience. Once the shell is found, she can spend a good amount her conscious life inside, looking out at the world (e.g My mother is a Cancer Sun with Aries Moon/Mars in Gemini. Though she spends a large amount of time running errands, she can only be out for so long before the need to return home becomes emotionally important. She owns her own business and loves to sit at home, watch TV, and take business calls all day).

Because Capricorn's link is based on the senses, her consciousness manifests in an opposing way. Capricorn views her self through a methodically structured expression-mechanism, which provides security for her internal sensitivities. At a young age, a Capricorn planet can feel exposed, tender, insecure, and/or undefined. Her senses quickly work to build a conscious structure around those sensations. The structure acts to communicate her intentions without exposing her sensitivity. Like a hard-horned, hard-hoofed mountain goat with a soft fish tail, she uses outward methodical prowess, to protect the sensitivity which trails behind her. Because Capricorn is so focused on building a successful self-expression, her senses are structured to view “self” as an object; often through other people's eyes.

Capricorn's sensitivity can also be just as uncontrollable as Cancer's emotions. If something is funny to her, she becomes overwhelmed with a sense of funniness. A less well programmed Capricorn may continue to laugh after others are done laughing, or laugh at the wrong time. The moment disapproval or discomfort is sensed, she goes to work retraining her self to laugh appropriately. At a young age, the expression-mechanism can be clumsy and a lot of time can be spent feeling completely awkward. The awkwardness is due to learning how to express "appropriately", like etiquette instruction for a robot. It is important that people understand however, that Capricorn's automated expression is a well developed tool, not the whole of her.

On the low vibration of Capricorn, the public mechanism is where her consciousness is spent ("The Devil" card in tarot, where humanity's shackles loosely hang around our necks, but we refuse to throw them off). She learns to identify the machine as “self” and perceives her vulnerabilities (and anything which reminds her of vulnerability) as a flaw. On the high vibration of Capricorn, she is conscious of her undefinable self and understands reality is best experienced as it arises (awkwardness and all). Each step on her journey is more valuable than reaching her destination. In that way Capricorn's lesson can be seen as, “Everything IN this moment is perfectly sufficient FOR this moment”. One of the biggest eye-openers for me was when a friend of mine reminded me that Saturn rules Saturday. The Saturn energy apparent in Capricorn reminds me that facing rough experiences (instead of finding ways to avoid or build walls around them) results in reward and celebration.

When Capricorn learns from Cancer, she learns that our sensations (like our children) are part of us, and can not be pushed away when they cry out. She faces her sensitivities as they arise, she learns to hold them close like a mother holds her crying child, until she sees herself in them.

What Capricorn can teach Cancer is that we are not our emotions. Our emotions change all the time, but “the one who experiences our emotions”, is present regardless of our emotional state. Identifying self as “the emotions I am protecting” and identifying self as “the protector of my emotions” are the same problem perceived from a different view.

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God damn why is there so much Capricorn hate up in here?!?

I'm a Cap sun and the last thing I am is emotionally cold. I am VERY open emotionally..I am known to be quite outwardly passionate, outspoken, curious, and very 'personal' with others. I am also extremely adventurous & so is my Capricorn aunt.
I have a Sag moon that helps me out and a Scorp ASC/Venus and Pisces Mars that also add to my comfort with emotional depth.

My little sister is also a Capricorn with Sag moon...she has Capricorn ASC too. She is much more Capricorn-like than I am, however she too is very emotional..not afraid to hide it either..to a fault! She's insanely funny, too..goofy and really 'out there' and very fun-loving.

The thing that we both have in common is that we can be verrrrrrrry critical, harsh, blunt, and self-centered. I do believe those are some of Capricorn's typical traits, but again not all Capricorns I know are like this.

One of my best friends was born two days after me , so her moon and rising and mercury are different..but get this, they are ALL in Capricorn (so, she's a Cap sun, ASC, moon, and mercury...with scorp venus and pisces mars) and she is much sweeter, softer than me....but she has that same goofy sense of humor and curiosity and that judgemental/critical streak.


So basically what i'm trying to say is all of your descriptions of Capricorn can suck it because with the exception of our bluntness, criticism, humor, and work ethic...the astrology books are WRONG!!

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Like BelligerentPygmy I have mars in cancer (nurturing, protects the weak, warm etc) and mars in capricorn seems very cold blooded to me as do some of the other icy wintery cap placements. One presenter of children's TV programme Blue Peter was a Capricorn sun and her job was to develop a rapport with young children and she was booted off the show after so many viewers complained about how she was speaking to young ones. Experience in the workplace, with friends and relatives back this up, they suit business and do not suit nurturing related areas of life.

I have a very lose conjunction of moon pluto which provides emotional depth and insight and this blogger has the same but in different houses http://moonplutoastrology.wordpress.com/

I can read people at times and have read capricorn suns well/correctly at times. Everything has a use and like uk pop singer annie lennox a cap sun (?) in one of her songs 'some people want to be used and some want to use you'. That is far too simplistic and that is where capricorn is too earthy/materialistic and if there was some emotional depth to the chart they would look at the complexities and then it wouldn't be black and white thinking of use others or be used. I agree that to some extent you have to stand up for yourself but you also need to cooperate.

Annie Lennox has just received a lifetime achievement award and has done many very positive things so what capricorns say often gets my back up but what they do can also be positive.

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