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Topic: What kind of childhood did you have? What do you think shows that?
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RedScorp
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posted October 11, 2011 11:29 AM
  
What would show what kind of childhood you will have? The IC, right? Maybe the Fourth and the Moon?Let's use me as an example. My father was an on-and-off drug addict who was very successful financially. My mom was pretty much a martyr who chose to suffer in silence. Then, when they were going through one of many break-ups, I was sent to live with my uncle. I was quite abused (but I have gotten over it and got help and all that jazz. I'm really quite indifferent to it now). Does my chart show that...?  What about you? You don't need to post your chart if you don't wanna, but what do you think influenced your childhood? IP: Logged |
NativelyJoan
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posted October 11, 2011 12:22 PM
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Originally posted by RedScorp:
What would show what kind of childhood you will have? The IC, right? Maybe the Fourth and the Moon?
Well I definitely think aspects to the Sun and the Moon as well as placements in the 4th house. My natal aspects: Ascendant opposite Venus
Ascendant trine Mercury
Ascendant sextile Saturn
Ascendant sextile Uranus
Sun trine jupiter
Sun opposite Mars
Sun square Saturn
Sun square Uranus
Sun square Neptune
Moon opposite Mercury
Moon trine Saturn
Moon trine Uranus
Mercury sextile Saturn
Mercury sextile Uranus
Venus trine Saturn
Venus trine Uranus
Mars square Saturn
Mars square Uranus
Mars square Neptune
Mars quintile Pluto
Mars sextile Jupiter
Jupiter opposite Midheaven
Gemini on the cusp/4th I had a very unstable upbringing. My father was a Aquarian Sun Scientist, who spent years at a time away from his family intentionally. He was also very materialistic and was more concerned with his property then his own children. He was very authoritative and had a horrible temper. He was mentally, psychologically and emotionally abusive. To both myself and the remainder of my family. I grew up in two different countries 10,000 miles apart. We moved back and forth about 4 times. I went to many different schools. It was hard to sustain friendships. My mother was a strong women but she allowed my father to push her around until she finally had the strength to divorce him. I'm estranged from my father and his side of the family. I have a healthy relationship with my mother because she's very supportive mentally and emotionally. I think the aspects that point most to my issues with my father are: Sun square Saturn: there is also a fear and expectation of rejection. You are naturally defensive, and in your early years you may have underestimated your potential and questioned your self-worth. (http://www.skyscript.co.uk/sunaspects.html) Saturn in the 10th house: Saturn in the tenth house makes you take your "fathering" responsibilities seriously. You will be concerned with the development and growth of your child in real world terms. At work you may have the desire to lead or guide co-workers. In any case, you will take your career or chosen profession more seriously than most. Both at work and home, your teaching or leadership style will be based on practical aspects of life. You are acutely aware (more so than most) of your place and "role" in society. You may feel like you are under a magnifying glass, so to speak, when it comes to the path you choose to take in your career or in the roles you take on. (cafeastrology.com) Gemini 4th house cusp: The influence of Gemini suggests that ties to home are not particularly strong. You are apt to move about a good deal, or at least you would like to. You like to have people around you, but not the same people for too long. There is a reluctance to form lasting ties and a solid foundation. With the strong influence of Gemini in the latter part of your life, many vague ideas that formally floated through your mind may become clarified. You may find that your inclination to write or otherwise express concrete intellectual ideas increases as you grow older. Mental stimulation is likely to continue throughout your life. (astrology-numerology.com) My dad had high expectations for us as children yet was never around and never supported us. You we not allowed to step out of line, it was a very controlling and restrictive upbringing. Gemini in my fourth shows that my upbringing was unstable and that carried me into adult hood because I can't manage to stay in one place for more than a couple years. I'm always moving. Saturn kicks me in the gut everyday, which brings me back to my childhood, my father doing his best to set us straight whenever his was around which was a week every few years. Such instability. My mother taught us independence and freedom while my father taught us restriction and repression. But I honestly don't think there's an ideal childhood or an ideal way to raise children. I think my parents did their best even if I am estranged from my father. They were adults in their late 20s in stable careers when the had children however they seemed unprepared for it. I can't speak of a better childhood because I hadn't experienced one.
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Chaos
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posted October 11, 2011 12:47 PM
I recently saw a chart of a girl with a Cap IC, and Moon, Neptune, Uranus & two more planets all packed around IC, but most of them in 4th house, I believe...She said she had a turbulent home life, an abusive father, she and her mother were often victims of his abuse...IP: Logged |
RedScorp
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posted October 11, 2011 01:11 PM
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Originally posted by Chaos:
I recently saw a chart of a girl with a Cap IC, and Moon, Neptune, Uranus & two more planets all packed around IC, but most of them in 4th house, I believe...She said she had a turbulent home life, an abusive father, she and her mother were often victims of his abuse...
Ooooou spoooooky. Though for me, it was my uncle, but still a male, authoritative figure. IP: Logged |
anongrl10
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posted October 11, 2011 01:14 PM
Moon in the 4th/IC usually indicates troubles with a father figure (abuse or absence, physical or emotional). Red, you also have this in your chart. IP: Logged |
anongrl10
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posted October 11, 2011 01:14 PM
sorry for the multiples, guys, im having a slow internet moment here...IP: Logged |
anongrl10
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posted October 11, 2011 01:14 PM
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anongrl10
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posted October 11, 2011 01:14 PM
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RedScorp
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posted October 11, 2011 01:26 PM
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Originally posted by anongrl10:
sorry for the multiples, guys, im having a slow internet moment here...
It's been happenin' ta me too. I saw 2 replies and spent like half an hour just waitin' fer the thread ta open. But how 'bout you, anongrl10, what was your life like growin' up? IP: Logged |
Capriquarius
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posted October 11, 2011 02:26 PM
In my case, definitely IC and 4th House are key. Sagittarius IC: Itinerant childhood, living in various foreign countries due to father's lucrative career. (Sagittarius, ruled by Jupiter = foreign travel, riches) Also a strongly religious household, held Sunday worship services at home. Generous parents. Mars in the 4th house: Frequently moving homes during childhood, and this pattern continues into adulthood on a subconscious level. I don't like owning property because it feels too tied down. Maybe that's due to the Sag IC though. Capricorn Sun conjunct Capricorn Mars in the 4th house, trine Virgo Saturn in 12th, square Libra Pluto in the 1st: Strict, critical, controlling father continues to influence my subconscious. His Saturn sits conjunct my Ascendant in the 1st House side, and he attempted to control every facet of my life, from the books I read, the music I listened to, even my college major.
Also, he is dominating towards everyone. Very my-way-or-the-highway. Moon square Uranus: flighty, erratic mother Moon trine Pluto: Mother's mother passed away when she was very young, but she herself became a successful mother. Useful thread  IP: Logged |
anongrl10
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posted October 11, 2011 02:45 PM
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Originally posted by RedScorp:
how 'bout you, anongrl10, what was your life like growin' up?
average things; i was never abused or anything of the like but i always missed my father (Moon in the 3rd/4th) who used to be away for business for long stretches of time... My Moon in Taurus in my IC loves security and comfort and as a kid I was most happy when my grandma sent me presents (she was very generous) and such. Although I was a middle child (2nd out of 3 kids) I was pretty much on my own (Pluto trine Moon) and very sensitive/spiritual from very little (for instance I never doubted that angels exist, even though I wasn't as sure about Santa unless he was my grandma! ROFL!). IP: Logged |
Fuzzy
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posted October 11, 2011 03:33 PM
This is so interesting because a friend of mine has a very similar chart, except instead of conjunct IC, his Moon, Uranus, and Neptune are somewhere in the middle of the fourth house (also all in Capricorn). The difference is that his IC is in Saggitarius, and the ruler of 4th, Jupiter, is in the first house.His story is this: his mother cares for him a lot (Moon), and even obsesses over him, idealizing him to no end (Neptune) and spoiling him as a result. She had a messed up childhood herself and grew up to be very erratic and odd (Uranus). The significance of 1st house Jupiter on ruling the 4th house is that his mother's behavior toward him had a huge impact on the person he is (this also has to do with him being spoiled because of her). One really gets the feeling that she shaped his identity. Like on astrofix they say, "The activities of the 4th house serve the agenda of the 1st". Because of his chart, I started thinking the fourth house describes the mother and the home she creates more than anything else.
The Neptune in 4th can describe both the martyrdom of your mother and drug abuse of your father. I think my friend's mom was a drug user back in her teens as well... Not sure about now. She definitely is nuts about her sonny though.
My IC is in Uranus. My parents got divorced when I was six, but the most interesting thing about my parents and me (I think) is my composite with my father. We have a very exact Saturn square Moon, which I read causes separation, not just emotional, but often literal. I haven't seen him or heard from him in about eleven years.
The interpretation of this aspect that I read said that sometimes people want to be together, but there are circumstances that keep them apart. Certainly true in this case. My father has never been financially successful, he has a Saturn in Taurus in the 2nd house, and he wasn't able to see me for so long because he was running from paying alimony.
I always thought that was a little messed up, I mean, I'm your only child (at least back then I was, I don't know about now), might as well put a little effort into seeing me. Bleh. I feel strangely at peace with him though, haha. Seeing his chart kind of makes me feel like "it's okay, dad, some of us are just landed with this kind of cosmic bird poop." Mom told me he loves me though, but just fails at making money. What's one gonna do.
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Fuzzy
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posted October 11, 2011 03:49 PM
Now this got me interested, I looked at another friend's chart... This friend had her mom die when she was four, now she lives with just her father and sometimes grandma (kind of moves between two houses), the father travels a lot. My friend is more or less independent of her family at this point.IC is in Libra and the only planet in the fourth is Jupiter. Now try to figure this out. 
The only indicator I see of the mother dying is Moon conjunct Chiron. (?) Or wait a minute, would a 12th house Venus, ruler of 4th, be an indicator? Venus is at 29.52 Cancer. And IC in Libra kind of makes me think of the "equality" in the household, which I think she has with her father. IP: Logged |
RedScorp
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posted October 11, 2011 03:53 PM
"We need more money! You just galavant around town as if nothing is wrong when I'm at home struggling to make ends meet! Get on you father! Tell him to support us! I struggle for you and your sister and he's out without a care!" - My Mother on the subject of Why Are You So Stressed Today?My friend says that sounds very Virgo of her. She's a super Virgo - Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Jupiter AND Asc. in Virgo and Mars in her Sixth forming a kite... IP: Logged |
sand
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posted October 11, 2011 04:32 PM
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frankie2912
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posted October 11, 2011 08:11 PM
I had an awesome childhood up until around 9 years old or so, when something changed that I can't even explain.But, before that..AWESOME! I was adventurous, confident, had many friends, my parents were supportive and there...however I did have many fights with my mom and remember nightmares I had about her trying to murder me (she never tried to do that, that was just in my dreams because I was scared of her because of our fights) i loved her and respected her and she did soooo much for the family, but i was scared of her. she had a lot of emotionally violent outbursts supposedly triggered by my attitude or my "mouth". I have Aquarius IC...using Placidus system my Jupiter is in my 4th house but in Whole Sign system it is in my 5th..honestly I identify with both. My 4th house ruler (Uranus) is square my Mars, so that could indicate my fights with my mother. I was a very strange child, with bizarre stories and a wild imagination and interest in aliens, UFOs, ghosts, etc. I also have Venus square my IC and not sure what that means. I had a close and good relationship with my father, he was always the one playing with us and cracking jokes and taking us to the lake and having fun. My mom always "had to be the bad guy" as she says, now I am closer to my mom, despite our turbulent past. IP: Logged |
RedScorp
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posted October 11, 2011 08:40 PM
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Originally posted by frankie2912:
...now I am closer to my mom, despite our turbulent past.
I wonder if maybe that will happen with me and my mom... IP: Logged |
frankie2912
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posted October 11, 2011 08:44 PM
RedScorp..it took effort. the breaking point was when she dropped me off on the side of the interstate outside a big city an hour away from home, and i got so upset with her that i sliced my wrist all up and then had an emotional breakdown and talked to her about my problems with her and the way we talk to each other...it took a serious heart-to-heart meltdown for us to start new and that was when i was 17 yrs old. i am 24 now and we are best friends. hope you and/or your mom can find the courage to re-build your relationship.IP: Logged |
RedScorp
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posted October 11, 2011 09:13 PM
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Originally posted by frankie2912:
RedScorp..it took effort. the breaking point was when she dropped me off on the side of the interstate outside a big city an hour away from home
My mom did that once, aha, but it was a country road. I honestly am just going with whatever happens. She insists I stay with her, but I don't think I will for more than a year. Once I'm gone I'm gone, yo'. My Scorpio planets say "No! Once you leave, don't go back. It's too late for that." If she wants to be nice to me after that, then sure, whatever. IP: Logged |
Lioness
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posted October 11, 2011 09:21 PM
My IC really shows my child hood..
I have Gem on the IC conjunct Saturn.. I was moved around alot, my mom moved me away from any and all family at the age of 6.. Ive literally had no contact with g.parents,aunts,uncles,cousins.
I never met my father and I am an only child. I was very lonely, and didnt have many friends... I spent most of my childhood alone playing with Barbie and Ken.. Once I became of age, my mom moved back to our birthplace, leaving me behind with NO family.. (she has a sag moon, what can I say)..
I have seen her once since she moved back.. That was when she got married.. I had no family with me when I got married or when I gave birth to my kids... I guess not having family members is meant for me.
My "family" life is awful....
It bothers me.. A LOT!! IP: Logged |
Cecile
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posted October 11, 2011 09:27 PM
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Originally posted by anongrl10:
Moon in the 4th/IC usually indicates troubles with a father figure (abuse or absence, physical or emotional). Red, you also have this in your chart.
Really? Would it relate to the father figure? Usually the moon relates to the mother? I have something similar myself. A very challenged moon in the fourth and fifth. Sometimes I can be very emotional about my background or feel like it's inadequate, etc. I would relate the fourth house to origins and background. It's the first place I'd look at to learn about a person's childhood. IP: Logged |
RedScorp
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posted October 11, 2011 09:29 PM
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Originally posted by Lioness:
I had no family with me when I got married or when I gave birth to my kids...
Aaaah, that's kinda harsh. I mean, I don't really care for most of my family (just three of my siblings and their own families), but still, without even them...I'd feel pretty lonesome. IP: Logged |
Lioness
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posted October 11, 2011 09:32 PM
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Originally posted by RedScorp:
Aaaah, that's kinda harsh. I mean, I don't really care for most of my family (just three of my siblings and their own families), but still, without even them...I'd feel pretty lonesome.
Yeah that bothered me, that no one was there with me... IP: Logged |
RedScorp
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posted October 11, 2011 09:45 PM
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Originally posted by Lioness:
Yeah that bothered me, that no one was there with me...
Have you any contact with them now or...? Is it just something you shan't have? IP: Logged |
RunAroundScreaming
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posted October 11, 2011 10:12 PM
the aspects to my sun and moon, and my third house (siblings and growing up)IP: Logged | |
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