posted October 17, 2011 09:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Hera:
Yes, I read it now. I guess Jupiter wins hehe.

I'm kinda liking your Mercury, in triplicity and angular. Saturn is too afflicted IMO. I'm also liking Jupiter in term, angular, trining the Sun, Asc ruler.

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posted October 18, 2011 12:02 AM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
It is very traditionalistic idea,having in mind that planet in cadent house is bad,and of bad outcome and influence. I understand the logics though - planet needs to act.

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posted October 18, 2011 12:03 AM            

Okay. Saturn has the most essential dignity, being exalted, but has some accidental debility (cadent, afflicted by other planets and in conjunction to a malefic). Not to mention retro. It's too blocked to action, IMO.
Next is Mercury in its own triplicity, angular AND conjunct an angle, which is very strong, even though it's the DC. Saturn is also conj an angle, the IC, but DC trumps IC. IC is the weakest of the angles. Between Mercury and Saturn, I think Mercury wins.
Then there's Jupiter. In its term, not a very strong essential dignity to begin with. However angular (though not conjunct an angle like Mercury) and less aspected than Mercury (even though it receives support from the Sun, ruled by Jup, who rules the Asc).

IMO Mercury wins. It has a stronger ED (essential dignity), stronger AD (accidental dignity) being ON the angle, and receives more aspects, even though some are hard. Jup receives support from the Sun, Mercury is supported by the Moon. Yours is a day chart, so Sun has more importance, but Mercury is stronger than Jup in both ED and AD, so I think that counts more than the aspects.

posted October 18, 2011 12:15 AM            

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Originally posted by Xiiro:
I'm wondering why the Sun has been discounted for Hera's LOG? It seems the least afflicted.

Do you guys mind helping me understand?

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Yes, but Jupiter is in his dominion (and triplicity coz mine is a night chart), Sun is just exalted. Jupiter is angular, Sun is succeedent. Jupiter has stronger AD and ED than Sun. Moreso, Sun supports Jupiter being in his triplicity and also through a trine, giving its power to Jupiter sort of speak. The only thing that weakens Jupiter is his RX motion, which will remain for the rest of my life in progressions, so I guess I won't go very high in life, but I'm Cap Asc so a modest life doesn't sound very bad. I'm still very lucky in career matters, superiors always liked me and pushed me upwards. But my career is more Venusian than Jupiterian LOL. Unless I decide to also become an attending at the Uni, which would please Jupiter and it's what my superiors want for me.

posted October 18, 2011 12:22 AM            

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Originally posted by Hera:
Yes, but Jupiter is in his dominion (and triplicity coz mine is a night chart), Sun is just exalted. Jupiter is angular, Sun is succeedent. Jupiter has stronger AD and ED than Sun. Moreso, Sun supports Jupiter being in his triplicity and also through a trine, giving its power to Jupiter sort of speak. The only thing that weakens Jupiter is his RX motion, which will remain for the rest of my life in progressions, so I guess I won't go very high in life, but I'm Cap Asc so a modest life doesn't sound very bad. I'm still very lucky in career matters, superiors always liked me and pushed me upwards. But my career is more Venusian than Jupiterian LOL. Unless I decide to also become an attending at the Uni, which would please Jupiter and it's what my superiors want for me.

My problem to begin with was Venus, which tends to run with my chart because of its unaspected condition. It's the only one that not only rules an angle, but also conjuncts it. It's also a singleton. I hear Venus screaming in my chart for attention, but the final argument was that Jupiter is conj Antares, one of the most powerful fixed starts, while Venus, even though out of the woods for Algol, is on the Martian Nodes and this weakens Venus a lot.

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posted October 18, 2011 12:40 AM            

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Originally posted by Xiiro:
Thanks Hera, I appreciate the explanation =)

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Very welcome, I really hope I got this technique right LOL.

posted October 18, 2011 12:50 AM            

Do you guys mind helping me understand?"

posted October 18, 2011 01:33 AM            

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Originally posted by Hera:
The problem is that Mercury and Jupiter are in a square, weakening each other instead of offering support to one another. But Mercury is stronger than Jup, IMO. Who usually wins this fight?

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posted October 18, 2011 07:08 AM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
Interesting analysis, Hera. I'm holding a vigil for Saturn as I write this being that I'm currently under its return. [Haha(!)] I keep going back to Jupiter always as a safe place of strength, a way to gain clarity as I feel as if my Jupiter knows reasons for why everything happens based on instinct and is always protected, and when under anxiety or distress I don the Jupiter Scorpio guise as a boost toward intuition and staying calm and solid within myself, trusting its insights, feeling unbreakable in the wind. But in social company it is tossed to the side in favor of the pure joy of mental exchange and playing with ideas, my Mercury loves to makes others laugh, to get the inside info on how others work. When I go too far with my Merc I end up feeling over-exposed which introduces anxiety and then I retreat to a safer place, where I seem more remote and hard to reach. It feels a bit like ping pong, not sure that I would want to live without either. Often I introduce darker Scorpio elements to my verbal expression, seemingly off the wall remarks that touch on real aspects of human nature, but it is more intended to give me a laugh and call out the elephant in the room than anything else, not to offend. But I can converse with anyone, no problem, walk up to anyone and say anything and be completely detached, I love not feeling obligated to a certain standard of expression, that I have the freedom to play around with ideas, and I love that I can bring people together. It is like I am a completely different person, all you have to do is look at the Moon to see that that is not an accurate description of my real feelings, but with the Mercury I can bypass the Saturn/Pluto afflictions and just live in my head and be free. It is hard to say who wins because they both give me peace and a way to relax but in different ways...It's something to ponder so thank you for your insight. Maybe it would help you to know that I can't tolerate my Mercury being badly aspected in synastry? Is that a common occurrence for LoG, I wonder..? That you want to protect its influence?

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I'm not sure... but that's how I feel about my Jupiter. I found this on another forum:

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The Lord of the Geniture is our guide in life, we might even think of it as our guardian angel. Wherever in life we are at a loss, indecisive, confused, or at a crossroads, if we do not know what to do or which way to turn, then the Lord of our Birth will send us in the right direction and afford us the strength that we need to move forward. The LoG represents our greatest innate strength, and as we usually lead with our strengths, this planet will always show us the right way in which to go and guide us to our destiny.

From the smallest of decisions, such as what to wear or what pet is most appropriate for us, to the most major decisions such as what career to embark upon or who to marry, the the LoG will be our guiding light, and if we pay it credence, it will, if we acknowledge it and work with it, will put us in touch with that which will maximise our innate strength. If we conciously engage our planetary lord in all that we do in our life, then we cannot go far wrong, but this is not necessarily the easiest task.

In my own chart, Mars in Scorpio is my Lord. When I think about my life, it becomes apparent that Mars in Scorpio gets me in touch with my innate strengths, and those things which come under it's symbolic umbrella, are those things that infuse me with power and vitality.[...]
In my own case, I have come to realise how my own Lord has a definate influence over guiding my life. The clothing that I have owned that I have felt the very best in, has always been clothing that would symbolise Mars in Scorpio quite nicely. Among the favourite clothing I ever had was a pair of boots called 'predator' boots. They were black leather, and went up to the knee, they laced at the front, zipped at the sides and had two straps around each leg that buckled at the sides. The right boot had a case for a knife. I suppose they were somewhat fetishistic, but this is perfectly Mars in Scorpio, and the reason I was so attracted to such attire in the first place and felt so great in them, is because they put me in touch with the energies of Mars in Scorpio, my Lord.

I still have and always will have a predeliction to clothing which has a dark and sexy nature, because I am guided by my lord to that which is most expresses my latent vitality.

My ideal pet, according to Mars in Scorpio, would be a predatory and mute creature, such as a snake or even a spider, but I have a real problem with arachnaphobia, so a snake would be better. I remember begging my mother for a snake when I was small, but she loathed the idea. I still do not have my snake, but realising the Lord of my Birth makes me understand why I have always wished for one, as owning such a creature would make me feel the most invigorated.

In my astrological pursuits, I am continually fascinated by study of the charts of notorious criminals and event charts of crimes and tragedies, but this is where I am guided by Mars in Scorpio, and as I proceed in my studies, it is to these fields that I intend to focus my attentions, as to do such would be to act in accordance with the Lord of my Birth, who will always guide us to where we are meant to go.

Then there are the less trivial concerns of how we may be guided by our lord. With Mars in Scorpio, perhaps I should have done detective work or forensic science, as it happens, my access to Mars in Scorpio energies has been somewhat different - which is why we should always aim for a higher expression of our lord's will's, as they can drag us along as well as lift us up if we do not apply their essences appropriately.

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posted October 18, 2011 07:25 AM            

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By the way, the ordering of the houses by strength for the purposes of seeking the LoG, is thus:

1st, 7th = 5

4th, 10th, 11th = 4

2nd, 5th = 3

9th = 2

3rd = 1

6th, 8th, 12th = 0

Of course, the planets in signs are given 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 or 0 points according to domicile, exaltation, triplicity, term and face.

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posted October 18, 2011 07:35 AM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
"I have another chart for you guys. It's my bf's, and he's still a puzzle for me. I think his LOG is Saturn, what do you think?"
---Night chart with Moon in Air, it is said to look at Mercury/Saturn/Jupiter. Merc is combust and opp Moon so does not add much, is also in detriment.
Saturn has exact conj Jupiter, in its own house the 11th (altho in danger zone close to H12), exalted by sign. It is sq to Sun but it is out of sign and the orb is 10 degrees so I would say that sq is lessened.
Mars is exalted and in its term, altho cadent, there's no strong aspect to a benefic, but it is not Rx or combust, etc. It is relatively strong, but acts as a mental guidepost more than a force that is at the ready, or so it seems from here anyway. A good calculating mind, strategic perhaps, but not one prone to overstepping its boundaries and getting in its own way.
I would place emphasis on Saturn since it is in higher elevation but if it is too close to the 12th for your comfort then I would place it on Mars. Still, it is not Rx, not in evil aspect, conj a benefit, exalted, and in its own house (if read as 11th).
Would you say it's his Mars or Saturn? Maybe difficult to say since Mars is in Saturn's sign. Saturn would be dispositor of Mars either way, so I think they would work well together, what do you think?

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I believe it's Saturn, not Mars. Even though they start with the same essential dignity, Mars is cadent, Saturn is succeedent. Furthermore, Saturn is supported by both benefics (Conj Jupiter and sextile Venus). Saturn deposites Mars

Unfortunately, as you said, Saturn is too close to 12H and is also on Vindemiatrix...

posted October 18, 2011 07:48 AM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
It is very traditionalistic idea,having in mind that planet in cadent house is bad,and of bad outcome and influence. I understand the logics though - planet needs to act.

Do u really find it to be true?

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