posted October 17, 2011 08:57 PM            

Why do I always read "humanitarian" and aquarius in the same sentence? That they are concerned with the well being and seek to promote the wellness of society as a whole? Do they think this is a selfless act, because that does not describe me at all. I am only concerned with others if it will benefit me, for example promote self-awareness, promote self-actualization, promote an overall sense of knowledge, again the 'self' is emphasized here. Maybe its because I have all these planets in the first house. Not sure.

I will only help others if there is something to be gained out of it. I will not go out and volunteer to help the sick or the dying if it doesn't relate to me, and if I will not get some kind of reward out of it. It sounds cruel, "Why don't you like helping people?" because honestly most people don't deserve my empathy or sympathy. Every single act that may come across as selfless is entirely based on self-interested motives. Maybe thats a good thing, or a bad thing. It does feel "nice" to help someone but again essentially i must gain something from it.

If i see an old woman being robbed, and if there is something to be gained then I will help. If not. can't say that I will be near the scene. Bad example maybe but you get the gist. I am not sure if other Aquarians can relate to what I am saying. Maybe the way I am coming about it seems very harsh.. but Humanitarian is the last thing to describe me.. and I have Ascendent, Sun, Mercury, Saturn, and Pallas in Aquarius.. so astrologers explain this obvious corrigendum. It worries me that astrologers continue to use this. Myself included and other Aquarians I know are the last thing but humanitarian.

The only people I am kind and 'compassionate' towards and act in some way selfless towards are my friends and my lover. But even with that, the act itself, if you really had to sift through it all, it is done entirely based on self-interest.

posted October 17, 2011 09:41 PM            

Now whould that sound more like you?.

Its smart to help here and there, but never to go above and beyond and end up losing your shirt.

posted October 17, 2011 09:55 PM            

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Originally posted by SpooL:
How about I twist what you just wrote and said your just being smart!.

Now whould that sound more like you?.

Its smart to help here and there, but never to go above and beyond and end up losing your shirt.

It depends if the aquarian is more uranus rulled or neptune ruled, it was posted somewhere on the forums.

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posted October 17, 2011 11:13 PM            

I just realized something else too, after seeing your other thread. You have a lot - a LOT - of placements in Aquarius, BUT the ruling planet, Uranus, you have it in CAPRICORN.

That explains everything.

Most Capricorns or Saturnian people I've talked to have pretty much the exact stance on this type of thing that you do. Having all those planets in the house of self just adds to that, as you pointed out.

posted October 17, 2011 11:50 PM            

My first boyfriend was an aqua and I met him at church and he was also humanitarian and involved actively in his church helping others...this was back when I was religious (14 years old).

I guy I was seeing recently is an aqua and the guy is always thinking about humanity to the point that he is depressed bc he sees how this country is turning into a dictatorship and how elitist are working towards a one world goverment and is driving him crazy that most people are sleep, not aware that this is going on or dont care. He is not activist bc he thinks it will not make a difference. I know another aqua that is friends with my husband that also believes that elitist are working towards a new world order (one world government) but is not doing anything about it bc he thinks that is too late.

Aqua is visionary and idealistic and aqua loves freedom and wants a world were values of freedom are fought for and enforced. Aqua can be humanitarian in a neptunian way by wanting to help the less needy or in a more uranian way by raising awareness through activism. However a lot of aquas are not involved bc they feel it will not make a difference and just become depressed bc they truly care about humanity and hate direction things are going. My friend that I was seeing he says he sometimes feels he hates humanity bc everyone is asleep and everything is deteriorating as a result. Hence, this love for humanity can turn into hate or go back and forth depending on the maturity and coping skills of the aqua.

Hope this answered some of your questions..

posted October 18, 2011 01:30 AM            

I don't mean to sound rude or anything but if someone helps you out, do you always reward them? Honestly, if you were, God forbid, lets say left for dead and you were surrounded by hoardes of people but they just stared and went on their merry way, you wouldn't lie there and scream "Hey you f******* wankers HEEELP MEEE!!!" LOL

posted October 25, 2011 03:40 AM            

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Originally posted by lindisfarne:
I'll speak for myself.. this term does not apply to me. I won't even attempt to lie because I can't do that.

Why do I always read "humanitarian" and aquarius in the same sentence? That they are concerned with the well being and seek to promote the wellness of society as a whole? Do they think this is a selfless act, because that does not describe me at all. I am only concerned with others if it will benefit me, for example promote self-awareness, promote self-actualization, promote an overall sense of knowledge, again the 'self' is emphasized here. Maybe its because I have all these planets in the first house. Not sure.

I will only help others if there is something to be gained out of it. I will not go out and volunteer to help the sick or the dying if it doesn't relate to me, and if I will not get some kind of reward out of it. It sounds cruel, "Why don't you like helping people?" because honestly most people don't deserve my empathy or sympathy. Every single act that may come across as selfless is entirely based on self-interested motives. Maybe thats a good thing, or a bad thing. It does feel "nice" to help someone but again essentially i must gain something from it.

If i see an old woman being robbed, and if there is something to be gained then I will help. If not. can't say that I will be near the scene. Bad example maybe but you get the gist. I am not sure if other Aquarians can relate to what I am saying. Maybe the way I am coming about it seems very harsh.. but Humanitarian is the last thing to describe me.. and I have Ascendent, Sun, Mercury, Saturn, and Pallas in Aquarius.. so astrologers explain this obvious corrigendum. It worries me that astrologers continue to use this. Myself included and other Aquarians I know are the last thing but humanitarian.

The only people I am kind and 'compassionate' towards and act in some way selfless towards are my friends and my lover. But even with that, the act itself, if you really had to sift through it all, it is done entirely based on self-interest.

I dont want to come off as unpleasant but I have always seriously wondered about this... maybe its just me. I hope others can relate.. I dont know.

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i have to say this is a very Aquarian post if you havnt implied that u are an aqua i would've guessed...

not every aqua is a full blown philanthropist/humanitarian!! but its in their nature to care, maybe you need time to realize your instincts.. i like what u said about ur caring for ur friends is "self-interest" all human emotions/actions are on the self-interest basis, even philanthropists do what they do to feel good about themselves!

and your first humanitarian cause is to stop astrologers from calling aquas humanitarians, hmmmm its a start!

posted October 27, 2011 02:48 AM            

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Maybe its because I have all these planets in the first house.

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Yes... That would probably be why.

posted October 27, 2011 05:48 AM            

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Originally posted by RedScorp:
Not so relevant, but a lot of the Aquarius-heavy people I know are more self interested than they are selfless. Sometimes, they even border on rejecting society...rebelling, almost, defying.

Such is the opposite of Leo, the leader?

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posted October 27, 2011 10:36 AM            

I don't think it truly exists actually.
Every action for the benefit of another still has a reward of some sort for the self, even if it is just the knowledge of helping someone else - it boosts the self-esteem, makes you feel good about yourself, gives you a sense of purpose, a feeling of 'doing something right/worthwhile'.

So, personally, I think altruism, in the true sense of the word, is a contradiction at best, and an illusion at worst.

posted October 27, 2011 12:03 PM            

clearly you have had a bad experience.
It's a bold statement to say that all Aquarian women use their children and spouses - at all - nevermind ruthlessly.
I offer myself as (one of the many) exceptions to your rule.

Back to the OP, I think it is perhaps dangerous to attempt to take traits that all humans are capable of and make them specific to an astrological sign.
Perhaps certain signs have tendencies, but everyone has the power to create themselves.

posted October 27, 2011 01:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
This is something I have been thinking about recently, but not specifically about Aquarius (of which I am, incidentally).
But more altruism in a general sense.

I don't think it truly exists actually.
Every action for the benefit of another still has a reward of some sort for the self, even if it is just the knowledge of helping someone else - it boosts the self-esteem, makes you feel good about yourself, gives you a sense of purpose, a feeling of 'doing something right/worthwhile'.

So, personally, I think altruism, in the true sense of the word, is a contradiction at best, and an illusion at worst.

Just my 2 pennies.

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posted October 27, 2011 01:35 PM            

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Originally posted by stillatlarge:
The women are the most narcissistic I've ever met. Always liars. Self-indulgent to the extreme. They use their children and their spouses ruthlessly. I would urge any guy I know to avoid them like the plague. Aqua placements like asc or moon are much more honest and true to the description.

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posted November 05, 2011 01:47 AM            

Many astrologers are idealists enough to mention the more positive expressions of a sign like Aquarius, which can be humanitarianism. This is a generalization and optimal view, not a "lie."

A general rising sign description will not really fit more than maybe 1/2 those people - or fewer. There is more involved than just the rising sign qualities. Anyone can be modified somewhat in their personality from the typical rising sign description, depending on what planets may be conjunct or parallel the correct Asc degree, or making other angular aspects. However, let's look at the basics of Aquarius. It is a positive (outward-directed sign), expressing the air element, meaning through the nerves/mind/social responsiveness. When on the Asc it affects the head/body more directly than with any other point in the horoscope, so the effect is as much physical as relational. Its fixed quality is structure-oriented within the air framework, especially outward, worldly or global structure - collectivist - at least in its fullest development.

The overall energy dynamic of the Aquarius type (rising or Sun) is centripetal - outside-in. This is where the ego or self-identity needs outside orientation in order to define itself. This contrasts with Leo, which is centrifugal, inside-out self expression.

If this does not sound like you at all, then your correct rising sign may not be Aquarius at all, or you have very distinct planetary factors in the 1st house/Asc area.

Ultimately the question is unanswerable without your chart displayed or birth data. Signs are only one facet of the whole picture. It certainly isn't a matter of "lying," but of understanding and overall horoscopic synthesis.

posted November 05, 2011 04:11 AM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:

I think altruism is not purely selfless but it is an act that is MUTUALLY beneficial for the reason that we are all connected and are one so helping someone is simultaneously helping yourself and everyone and I think Sag intuitively understands this and is why this sign tends to be generous and kind. I don't know many aqua women but the aqua men I have met over the years are concerned for humanity, some of them do something about it and others don't but the concern is there even if they wish it wasn't. Alex Jones is an aqua and that guy is either going to get murdered for fighting for this country or is going to get sick from working so hard to raise awareness and for fighting for our rights.

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posted November 05, 2011 04:16 AM            

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Originally posted by lindisfarne:
I just dont consider myself Humanitarian. In all honesty In a general sense it sounds mean but I don't particularly care for people. If I do.. it is a fleeting moment.. and if I do care its because I am attracted to them because they have 'problems' and i want study them and gain all the information i can about them. and than i move on. This has worked against me with specific friendships mainly with Capricorns.. I guess to them I show that I 'care' and when I disappear or just dont have interest in them anymore, they take it to heart and begin to attack me verbally.

Im more interested in people's problems and im more interested in their mental dynamic if anything. Some people take it to heart though. I have never committed a selfless act, in my life. Not because I choose not to.. I don't feel I have the capacity to be entirely selfless, there is always some personal motivation to be gained, somehow in some way. I can't help that either lol

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LOL you are an enigma my friend...

posted November 05, 2011 04:58 AM            

and this got me thinking is it possible at all that you have your time of birth off by an hour or two because if it was off by that amount of time there is a good chance that all those houses you have in the first house or at least a portion of them actually fall on your second house.