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Topic: Christianity and astrology (aimed towards any Christians here)
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RegardesPlatero
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posted November 10, 2011 07:07 AM
  
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Ami Anne
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posted November 10, 2011 07:17 AM
Well, The ONLY thing that is condemned in the Bible is contacting the dead. Seeing the future is a gift from the Holy Spirit. The Bible says that the Holy Spirit will show you things to come. It is right there.
Astrology was never condemned, per se. Knowing the future was never condemned, per se. We are supposed to know the future, really, if we are connected to the Holy Spirit, as in the above verse.
I suppose that the biggest thing for a Christian is to "test the spirits". You must be dealing with the Holy Spirit, only. A person who was connected to God, could feel the difference, very easily.
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lindisfarne
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posted November 10, 2011 07:19 AM
ditto.
My mother is religious whereas I
atheist. she thinks it's evil too, she also thinks also Harry Potter is evil.She probably implies that the belief in astrology substitutes "God". It's like wrong to look up to any of matter of occult to gain inner awareness and drive. It's the assumption that only "god" can provide her and other Christians with such. It's funny because I coul have swon "Jesus Christ" mentioned astrology in one of the books in the holy bible. Yup. He sure did! IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted November 10, 2011 07:24 AM
I spent a lot of time asking God if it were wrong for me to be in to Astrology before I got in to it. This life is short. I do not want to go against God, for anything or anyone. I am totally convinced that I am in God's will with Astrology. If I ever felt I was not, I would drop it, immediately. I could not run away fast enough.------------------
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anongrl10
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posted November 10, 2011 07:29 AM
Thanks for initializing this thread.
A Christian friend of mine completely balked when I shared my astro perspective about her sign. She completely shut down. I asked her what's the problem. After several minutes of silence she said that she "doesn't like to talk about such stuff". Astrology is a taboo for Christians of her sort I guess. A shame because she's a Sag but oh well. Mind you; these people are not open to explain WHY they consider astrology evil.
Close-mindedness is part of their makeup. To be able to discuss the WHY behind your belief you need a level of self-awareness that I think if you had, you would immediately know that you are wrong to baptize X or Y "evil". There are no evil subjects/topics, just evil people behind them. And most topics can be equally represented by good and by evil people; as Ami says it's up to you to see the evil and disregard it. But don't kill the messenger in the process. Like in politics, some ideas may be very nice at least in theory but we all know of at least one such nice idea who has been represented poorly by a corrupt politician. Will you give up on the idea, or just look for another representative? IP: Logged |
RegardesPlatero
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posted November 10, 2011 07:34 AM
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anongrl10
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posted November 10, 2011 07:50 AM
Another great question.  My view (and I'm not religious although I believe in God) is that God has nothing to do with the ways people understand Him. That is why I see nothing wrong in astrology. Again, there can be corrupt/evil people who do (or think they do) astrology but this doesn't make astrology per se "evil". It's just another way for the human mind to manifest itself; i.e. we seek to understand the world around us and ourselves - it's only natural that we use our (God-given) strong mental capacities for that goal. my two cents,
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YoursTrulyAlways
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posted November 10, 2011 08:47 AM
I'm a United Methodist, as is my wife. Both of us were brought up as Southern Baptists/Pentescostals under the belief that astrology is not just evil, but its the work of the devil himself. I'm somewhat more open minded about the whole thing, although Faith forms the foundation of my life. My wife is heavily against astrology, and if she were to ever find out, I would be in trouble. The fundamental tenant of Christianity is to leave it all to God, and discovering your destiny via astrology/tarot/palm runs contrary to that fundamental belief, at least that was what I was taught. I'm still struggling with that. IP: Logged |
Cynnared
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posted November 10, 2011 09:32 AM
I used to be Christian but have moved on to more of a Universal belief system and am more Spiritual than religious. I was baptized as a Roman Catholic when I was 10 months old. I have studied with different faiths - Mormons, United Church Jehovah's Witnesses and the was in RCIA with the Catholic church. I left the Catholic church back in 2001 and since 2004 I have been attending a Spiritualist church.My Catholic friends have come down really hard on me about this - so did the Jehovah's Witnesses as well. I've been told to go down to church and pray for my soul and repent. Yet I still believed after they tore a strip out of me over it. I find there are contradictions in the bible.......there are supporting scripture like the ones found in this article http://www.near-death.com/experiences/origen13.html
This next article will show you scriptures supporting and discrediting Astrology. http://www.librarising.com/spirituality/bible.html
I left Christianity because I believe that there are many paths to God and spirituality. I found it to be somewhat ignorant of the people that I was with, that Jesus is the ONLY way to believe and to go on about life and if you don't accept him - you'll go straight to hell is what they would tell me. (Kind of like the folks from the Westborough Baptist church - Thanking God for dead soldiers and other people I see on Youtube saying that the Tsunami in Japan is God's work and God is lashing out on the people. There are many other major faiths in this world and who I am to say that most of the planet's population will go to hell just because they believe differently. I have found that if one marries themselves to one view all their life, they are closing themselves off to a different reality in life. Differences are not embraced nor accepted, with SOME. I can understand why there are jihads and other holy wars - I don't think things are warranted really and it goes against the grain of do unto others. I think the overall it is how you treat your fellow man. Show respect etc. Do unto others as you would want to be treated. In my employment life I have had to work with many people from other faiths as well and was not to show any leanings or favoritism with faiths. I became neutral - Remember one of my last posts I had put down the 5 qualities of Spiritual Awareness...... I learned to appreciate the traditions that Jewish people have. I have learned more about what it is to be Muslim and how relaxing the morning prayers can be. NOTE: This is MY view and you can feel free to agree to disagree and move on with that. It takes less energy and emotion and time to agree to disagree than to start a debate on who is right. I tend to scrap the who's right and who's wrong debate and just look at what is. This is just one diverse view out of many. On another note I find astrology more like a tool - ranks up there with MBTI in learning about oneself and others. As far as fortune telling is considered, I don't think Astrology is that and it is a terrible shame that main stream society perceives astrology to be that way. Astrology has helped me gain a better understanding of myself and others. IP: Logged |
RegardesPlatero
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posted November 10, 2011 09:59 AM
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YoursTrulyAlways
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posted November 10, 2011 10:05 AM
My Faith is within my heart, and is not dictated by a couple of brick walls and a steeple roof. Its also not dictated by some schmuck in robes or a collar or whatever. I follow the Spirit that lives within my heart.How I lead my life is an example unto others, at least that is what I hope, and I am extremely thankful for all the Blessings that have come my way. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted November 10, 2011 12:03 PM
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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
My Faith is within my heart, and is not dictated by a couple of brick walls and a steeple roof. Its also not dictated by some schmuck in robes or a collar or whatever. I follow the Spirit that lives within my heart.How I lead my life is an example unto others, at least that is what I hope, and I am extremely thankful for all the Blessings that have come my way.
Well said, Ian! When you accept Jesus, the Holy Spirit comes to live inside you. That is His role--to guide, to show you the way, to lead your path, to keep your feet from falling, if you will listen. I am outside many boxes of a traditional Christian, but I want to surrender my life to Him. If He asks anything of me, I hope I could do it. ------------------
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Xiiro
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posted November 10, 2011 02:07 PM
To me, the bible seems pretty straightforward in it's views of astrology. Here are a list of scriptures which readily describe astrology as part of Gods creation, one of the ways God speaks to people, and godly people's casual understanding of the universe. Make sure to check several versions if the scripture doesn't make sense. An interlinear bible is the best, as some biblical authors like to just blatantly take crap out or add stuff to bolster their personal agendas.God created astrology:
Genesis 1:14
Psalms 8:3
Psalm 19:1-4
Psalms 147:4
Jeremiah 31:35
I Corinthians 15:41 Prophecy regarding astrology:
Genesis 37:9
Matthew 2:1-2
Luke 21:25-27
Revelation 4:7
Like the entire book of the Revelation Mention of transits:
Judges 5:20 Direct mention of the Mazzaroth (or zodiac)
Job 38:31-33 In the story of Jacob, his twelve sons become the foundations for the 12 tribes of Isreal. Jesus was also the central sacrificial figure among 12 followers. The Bull (Taurus), Lion (Leo), Eagle (Scorpio), and Angel or Man (Aquarius) are attributed to the first four books of the New Testament because of their individual messages. When the bible condemns astrology:
Deuteronomy 4:19
Deuteronomy 17:3
Isaiah 47:13-14
Jeremiah 10:1-2 It seems the bible condones the understanding of astrology as a natural part of our reality, but condemns the worship or obsession with it as an idol. It also seems to note that God's will is outside of astrological definition and regardless of what one sees in the stars, anything can and will happen. I did a study on this a while back, along with a study on how the bible views homosexuality. I am continuously saddened by how people with little understanding of their own belief are willing to fight for something someone told them was in their bible. IP: Logged |
anongrl10
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posted November 10, 2011 02:16 PM
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It seems the bible condones the understanding of astrology as a natural part of our reality, but condemns the worship or obsession with it as an idol. It also seems to note that God's will is outside of astrological definition and regardless of what one sees in the stars, anything can and will happen.
I really like this take. It intuitively agrees with my beliefs. I think obsession with anything is out of sort (I don't need to call it "evil" to mean that it's out of order). And yes, "anything can happen" is true; man's mind has its limitations. Even if you get your prophecies from the angels, there is still a margin of error as it is your human mind that interprets those in any case. quote:
I did a study on this a while back, along with a study on how the bible views homosexuality. I am continuously saddened by how people with little understanding of their own belief are willing to fight for something someone told them was in their bible.
Amen! This is spoken by a true Sag.  IP: Logged |
Libreo
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posted November 10, 2011 02:26 PM
I haven't read this whole thread yet but just wanted to make a suggestion, have you read 'conversations with God?' it's wonderful, whether it was a conversation with God or not, you'd have to read it to understand what I mean, but it touches on the very topic of astrology itself.
Personally, God wants what we want, wer'e all different, if astrology helps a person with their life, then God is happy with that. I truly believe this, and yes I think he (she?) directed you to this site, most definately.
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Libreo
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posted November 10, 2011 02:29 PM
He is there to guide us not dictate us. As though we are the children growing into adults and making our own decisions, just like we do with our children, he will make sure we are safe but understands that we are each our own person, he won't interfere with our free will, he will just protect us and be there when we need him, and answer us when we speak to him. This is what I believe.IP: Logged |
RegardesPlatero
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posted November 10, 2011 04:43 PM
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Xiiro
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posted November 10, 2011 05:50 PM
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Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:
So, it's not just astrology, but ANYTHING, really, that can be good or bad depending on the person and how they go about doing what they do.
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Ami Anne
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posted November 10, 2011 06:15 PM
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Originally posted by Xiiro:
Well stated. =)
Yep, the Nazi's sang "Onward Christian Soldiers" as they murdered people.
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stillatlarge
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posted November 10, 2011 07:08 PM
It's because it ultimately leads to re-incarnation.
I think King James had that stuff put in there. I don't think it was in there from the beginning. I don't see how astrology is any different than genetics or the weather. It's just another organic factor in the natural world and God created the magnetic field or whatever it was that influences the personalities of people born at a certain time. Nobody says you're practicing witchcraft to look at the weather prediction or using DNA. What's the difference? IP: Logged |
RunAroundScreaming
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posted November 10, 2011 11:06 PM
Very well put, stillatlarge.IP: Logged |
RegardesPlatero
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posted November 11, 2011 06:10 AM
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Lonake
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posted November 11, 2011 07:05 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Ami Anne:
The ONLY thing that is condemned in the Bible is contacting the dead.
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Ami Anne
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posted November 11, 2011 08:48 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Lonake:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ami Anne:
[b]The ONLY thing that is condemned in the Bible is contacting the dead.
What about when the dead contact you?[/B][/QUOTE]
Actually, that is a good question lol. My best friend is a medium and a Christian. The dead contact him. To answer the question, Lonake, I don't know.
The Bible talking about deceiving spirits. These spirits KNOW about the dead. That is the way a medium does get accurate info cuz info is available to these spirits.
That is why the Bible says "Test the spirits" So, I have no idea what the deal is when a dead person comes to you in a dream. Is it that person, really? Is it a dream? Is it a deceiving spirit? I have no idea  ------------------
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RegardesPlatero
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posted November 11, 2011 08:59 AM
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