posted November 13, 2011 08:03 PM            

i noticed a relative of mine had that aspect and boy, can they talk!!! i thought it was due to their gemini sun but.. alas, i met someone (professionally) that has that placement (the opposition) and i kinda had them drink two energy drinks because we had a very long night.. i don't know if that was best.

they gave the impression to be very nervous when i first met them, i mean, their hands would shake when handing me something, they'd jump in between my sentences to speak or say something and if i mentioned something as a reference point or just something to use as a general idea; they'd go off into a tangent about that one specific thing.. then the conversations wouldn't get any better because they'd chime in with something else to build up on the last thing they said and it was as if they weren't able to follow, at all!

that gemini relative was kinda the same.. it doesn't take long before amidst our conversation, they start trying to convert me over to jesus and using something from the bible as a reference when the conversation had nothing to do with any of it..

i get the feeling that they don't listen.. the relative can be amazingly chatty.. when they were young, the doctor ordered them to go on a vocal chord rest/hiatus... i kid you not! they'd lose their voice because of just how much they talk !

i don't know if it's me but it feels as if they're constantly thinking of the next thing to say that they end up mentally just pretty much engaging in the conversation with/by themselves!

posted November 14, 2011 12:35 AM            

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Originally posted by tuxedoMask:
i don't know if it's me but it feels as if they're constantly thinking of the next thing to say that they end up mentally just pretty much engaging in the conversation with/by themselves!

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Very interesting. I've got Moon in Aries directly opposite Mercury in Libra. I'm a major talker. But that might just be all the Air in my chart. I also have Jupiter in the 3rd house of communication.

posted November 14, 2011 01:03 AM            

Moon in 26 Taurus
Mercury in 20 Scorpio
Saturn in 25 Virgo
Uranus in 21 Scorpio

posted November 14, 2011 02:10 AM            

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Originally posted by NativelyJoan:
Very interesting. I've got Moon in Aries directly opposite Mercury in Libra. I'm a major talker. But that might just be all the Air in my chart. I also have Jupiter in the 3rd house of communication.

I do exactly what you described. You should watch me go. My brain goes crazy, weighing things back and forth, questioning and then answering and then giggling when I come to a conclusion, sometimes I do this all in my brain sometimes out loud. All the while people are looking at me like I'm nuts. It's funny I have a twin sister and she does the same and has the same aspect. We'll be in a room having our own conversations, and then chiming into each others conversations.

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i can't imagine what it must feel like for other people.. i can thank astrology a lot for showing me it to understand but for anyone not tuned into it, i think they could start to feel that the other person isn't even listening which can be probably either hurtful, or annoying!

i practiced being patient with the person i said i met because i felt i needed to.. exactly as you described: question, answer, giggle.. almost every other other sound out of their mouth was some kind of laugh with a snort and i kept scratching my head wondering if they were trying to impress or be what they would think i'd find entertaining, or something.. hell, --anything!

i thought about even possibly letting them know that i didn't find some things funny because usually people say something, pause, get a reaction but the 'pause' for that placement is replaced with 'skip' so feedback is probably not something that they're acquainted with.

so then i realized 'oh, ok.. they're not necessarily talking to me they're more or less talking to themselves so just be patient, try to understand, everyone is different and work with them because i know i can probably be like that to an extent sometimes, too.' which is true.. i can be like that sometimes and lots of people with prominent earth can have a hard time keeping up especially mercury's in cap or taurus and those with a lot of aquarius or merc's in pisces (i can easily paralyze a mercury in pisces because i just go straight for it and they have no idea what to do afterward)

but i can tell you that just watching the merc/moon person can be....... well, ironically, detaching.. that's what i started to do.. i detached from the conversation and wasn't so engaged in our conversation.. i'd just give an answer to what i wanted to or replied to what i wanted to say but found that it'd be pretty stupid and a bit draining to try to follow that along so i just started to keep quiet.

only chimed in with what i found to be worth paying attention to and not all of the other stuff which can be soooooooooooo trivial!

it can be exasperating to just think that merc/moon people spend so much energy just going off into things of relatively insignificant details of things that have absolutely nothing to do with anything at all!

i'll say the the quirkiness can be cute but MAN, communication is no longer a talk and listen thing with these folks.. it's more or less 'get in where you fit in and that's if you even care to'

i love my relative.. it's probably the only one of my relatives that i think fondly of and even the person i noticed this from was charming; holy hell, though..

it takes patience and understanding "are we there yet are we there yet are we there yet..." to not just retort with a 'stfu! and pay attention!'

the relative is much older than the other person i talked about so i've seen what i think it might be able to do with some years of practice; understanding.. the relative can think about being in the shoes of someone else and there is generally goodwill and an encouragement of being sensitive to other people and their needs/things to say--

...it's as if i'm playing out the opposition expressing itself as i type this out because just the same the enlightened understanding of it can easily fly out of the window when i'm talking about something and said relative refers to an example they find relevant involving jesus.

of course, that example then leads them on to a book that they read and then another one that kind of contradicts the previous one and a conversation they had about probably both of them (after about the 10 or 15 minutes of agreeing is when usually i chime in) before i'm then told that they read another book similar to what i just mentioned and then usually, they can think of a good joke and i'm all too willing because my jupiter falls in gemini; when i've gotten on the phone with them, we can easily chat for HOURS!!!!!!! they said to me the last time we talked though that what they'd want for me is peace of mind; ironically, the peace of mind they wanted me to have came but it just didn't come along with them because they were doing everything but giving me peace of mind!

posted November 14, 2011 02:41 AM            

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Originally posted by Intense_Aquavixen:
This forum is a riot! TuxedoMask you are funny with the descriptive torcher you went through...

[Moon Square Merc]

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posted November 14, 2011 12:54 PM            

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Originally posted by tuxedoMask:
i can't imagine what it must feel like for other people.. i can thank astrology a lot for showing me it to understand but for anyone not tuned into it, i think they could start to feel that the other person isn't even listening which can be probably either hurtful, or annoying!

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I guess it all depends on planet placements and house positions. I have moon in Aries in the 2nd and Mercury in Libra in the 8th. I do tend to do as I described, answer and ask my own questions, all the while coming to my own conclusions but I'm a very patient and good listener. My focus is always on the person I'm having a conversation with. I can be intense in conversations because of having Mercury in the 8th. And I tend to keep my true thoughts to myself or shall I say hidden.

But I will say I do enjoy debates and conversating, it could be the Moon - Mercury opposition though and having Mercury in Air. But I always engage other people into the conversation because I'm truly interested in what other people have to say. I'm a Libra and our favorite saying is..."was it good for you?"

posted November 14, 2011 01:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Capriquarius:
A fellow I know has:

Moon in 26 Taurus
Mercury in 20 Scorpio
Saturn in 25 Virgo
Uranus in 21 Scorpio

Is that too wide an orb to be a proper opposition between Moon and Mercury? Anyway, he's silent around me now. When I first met him, he talked nonstop and other people say he talks too much. He says that sometimes words fail him, that they don't allow him to express everything he feels. (He also has Taurus Chiron in 3rd.) But when it comes to verbalizing facts and concepts and other non-emotional stuff, he is extremely articulate.

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Like this guy, I have moon opposite mercury (both square Saturn.)

I am capable of being very articulate as well as a good listener, BUT I have to be in the MOOD to communicate - i.e. I must be interested in the topic and also be comfortable/in tune with the other person/people ... because as soon as I feel uncomfortable or bored I clam up like a shell, or go into some "vague spacey zone" where I am pretending to be there but I am really a million miles away and can't hear a damn thing. I just say "mmmm", a lot, in a weak attempt to be polite. It usually annoys the other person.

posted November 15, 2011 10:44 PM            

I'm not a bundle of nervous energy who is gabbing away a mile a minute. You can get a word or twelve in edge wise with me.

posted November 16, 2011 09:04 AM            

Mercury Square Moon and Uranus
Moon Opposite Uranus

There are a host of other aspects my mercury and moon make to other planets. I can be extremely talkative because I love to talk to people and find out everything about them. I can talk about almost any subject as I like to sample a bit of everything. For any topics I don't know much about I am absolutely 100% attentive to listening and learning about it from the speaker. I would describe myself as articulate and a good speaker. I do get nervous if I am speaking in front of a crowd of people but I know most people do.

I am more than capable of listening and if I do not know you that well, that is most likely what I will do. I may ask searching open ended questions to get you to start talking and then gauge your interests from there and explore other avenues of conversation that you may be interested in. People enjoy talking about themselves so that is the easiest way to get them to feel comfortable and I am genuinely interested in what most people have to say.

Perhaps it is because my mercury is retro but I still reckon i'm pretty talkative. I personally don't fit your type of incessantly talkative, conversation domineering without the ability to listen and appreciate others thoughts and words.

posted November 16, 2011 10:50 AM            

My own Mercury in Aries makes trines/sextile to them and he does say I'm one of the few people with whom he can talk about anything (though his Mars squares my Mercury, so it's not always pretty talk).

But yeah... sometimes I feel I just don't get what he's saying. It's like he's talking in a language system only known to himself. And our Mercuries are in a tight trine! On our first date he behaved like you described your friend. Very nervous, talked a lot, answered his own questions, moves his hands a lot too... I was mostly quiet during our first date, feeling kinda annoyed (coz his Mars sq my Mercury) and just wanted to kiss him to make him shut up. Which I did in the end, coz he was making me nervous too! He's cute when he's like that, it turns me on, but I just can't keep up with some of the nonesense he's saying (and I'm Aries Mercury!). So I must confess I let him ramble and just say hmmm, yeah... aha... until he actually gets to something remotely interesting. He also interrupts me when I'm talking (annoying!!) and he thinks he's always right (annoying again!).

posted November 16, 2011 11:21 AM            

If I'm not comfortable in my environment I will be quiet...too quiet. I've had people tell me I'm quiet. And I'm usually thinking nooo, I just don't like you. lol I'm quiet around people I don't trust.

But other than that I am an open book.

Oh sometimes I will talk and talk around people I don't like...If I have something to rub in their face...Knowing it will make them feel uncomfortable and make them want to leave. (Like my uncle. haha)

Oh yeah, I will talk your ear off when I have an energy drink.
And I go into stand up comedian zone when I drink a beer or other.
I even started freestyle rapping a few times.

posted November 16, 2011 03:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Hera:
My bf has this. Gem Moon in the 8th opp Mercury (Neptune) in Sag in the 2nd.

My own Mercury in Aries makes trines/sextile to them and he does say I'm one of the few people with whom he can talk about anything (though his Mars squares my Mercury, so it's not always pretty talk).

But yeah... sometimes I feel I just don't get what he's saying. It's like he's talking in a language system only known to himself. And our Mercuries are in a tight trine! On our first date he behaved like you described your friend. Very nervous, talked a lot, answered his own questions, moves his hands a lot too... I was mostly quiet during our first date, feeling kinda annoyed (coz his Mars sq my Mercury) and just wanted to kiss him to make him shut up. Which I did in the end, coz he was making me nervous too! He's cute when he's like that, it turns me on, but I just can't keep up with some of the nonesense he's saying (and I'm Aries Mercury!). So I must confess I let him ramble and just say hmmm, yeah... aha... until he actually gets to something remotely interesting. He also interrupts me when I'm talking (annoying!!) and he thinks he's always right (annoying again!).

Though he talks a lot, he doesn't own a friggin' cell. In this friggin' century! Uranus in the 1st... He hates to talk on the phone for some reason. Kind of a weird ball... but the heart wants what the heart wants...

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wow it's like we experienced the same person... ! kind of.. i'm most certainly sure it wasn't your boyfriend but talk about hitting the nail on the head! i did the same thing.. the 'mmmhmmm'... and i feel it might be what they actually not prefer other people to do but i found it hard to keep that in mind or care when the interruptions kept happening and yes, ANNOYING~!!!!!!!!!!

posted November 16, 2011 03:39 PM            

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Originally posted by scrappydog:
I have known 3 people very closely with the square and 1 with the conj and all 4 of these people would say the meanest, cattyest things, they were very cruel! All of them seemed to enjoy making fun of other people in very abusive ways, ie the way a person looked. I would not believe this of this combination if I didnt know so many who did this. I dont think it is a combination that is popularly thought of as cruel or sadistic, but it most certainly can be, in a very immature, catty way.
The first person is my grandmother: Sun in libra with moon in leo square mercury in scorp by 1 deg, one of the meanest most emotionally abusive people I have ever know, she basically tortured me and my sister our whole lives, but especially when we were children and told us we were fat and ugly. Now I have to keep my son away from her, because at the age of 85 she now tries to do this to him.
The second person is one of my x bestfriends, I had to stop hanging out with her because she was just so negative and verbally mean to everyone. She was one of those girls that was very mean and catty to other girls, always making vicious comments to try and make them feel ugly or fat because she was insecure with her ownself and had no self esteem. She actually got her jollys off trying to make others feel worthless and unnatractive just like her. She had moon in scorp square mercury in leo 0 deg.
A third person had the conj in cancer and is a male. He also had pluto closely sqauring the conj. This is the most emotionally and verbally abusive person I have ever known. He is a sick, sadistic indivual.
I'm sorry for the rant, but I was just thinking of this combination yesterday and the way some of these people are. I know not everyone with this combination is verbally mean and sadistic, but the greaater majority of the people I happen to know with it are for some reason.

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i was gonna mention this but didn't know if i had the room in the text box to bring it up lol!!!!!!! i noticed that the pointing things out was something to go along with them.. i think the person i brought up has a moon in pisces so it may be a little different and with them, i just noticed that they would point things out and point as if they had never been taken anywhere!

posted November 16, 2011 03:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Stawr:

Oh sometimes I will talk and talk around people I don't like...If I have something to rub in their face...Knowing it will make them feel uncomfortable and make them want to leave. (Like my uncle. haha)

Oh yeah, I will talk your ear off when I have an energy drink.
And I go into stand up comedian zone when I drink a beer or other.
I even started freestyle rapping a few times.

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posted November 16, 2011 04:19 PM            

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Originally posted by scrappydog:
I have known 3 people very closely with the square and 1 with the conj and all 4 of these people would say the meanest, cattyest things, they were very cruel! All of them seemed to enjoy making fun of other people in very abusive ways, ie the way a person looked. I would not believe this of this combination if I didnt know so many who did this. I dont think it is a combination that is popularly thought of as cruel or sadistic, but it most certainly can be, in a very immature, catty way.
The first person is my grandmother: Sun in libra with moon in leo square mercury in scorp by 1 deg, one of the meanest most emotionally abusive people I have ever know, she basically tortured me and my sister our whole lives, but especially when we were children and told us we were fat and ugly. Now I have to keep my son away from her, because at the age of 85 she now tries to do this to him.
The second person is one of my x bestfriends, I had to stop hanging out with her because she was just so negative and verbally mean to everyone. She was one of those girls that was very mean and catty to other girls, always making vicious comments to try and make them feel ugly or fat because she was insecure with her ownself and had no self esteem. She actually got her jollys off trying to make others feel worthless and unnatractive just like her. She had moon in scorp square mercury in leo 0 deg.
A third person had the conj in cancer and is a male. He also had pluto closely sqauring the conj. This is the most emotionally and verbally abusive person I have ever known. He is a sick, sadistic indivual.
I'm sorry for the rant, but I was just thinking of this combination yesterday and the way some of these people are. I know not everyone with this combination is verbally mean and sadistic, but the greaater majority of the people I happen to know with it are for some reason.

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posted November 16, 2011 04:30 PM            

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Originally posted by tuxedoMask:
wow it's like we experienced the same person... ! kind of.. i'm most certainly sure it wasn't your boyfriend but talk about hitting the nail on the head! i did the same thing.. the 'mmmhmmm'... and i feel it might be what they actually not prefer other people to do but i found it hard to keep that in mind or care when the interruptions kept happening and yes, ANNOYING~!!!!!!!!!!

don't know if you felt the same, but before i had caught on to the aspect, i just started wanting to punch them because it's as if they didn't even find what i was going to say worth listening to and not really 'validating' the conversation of the other person....... how many of em do you think get pushed to the side or are disregarded because of their interactions playing out that way...?

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I don't know Tux, but I swear if I wasn't Cap Asc and didn't also have a Mercury-Saturn opposition to bite my tongue occassionally, we would have been through by now. What does bother me is that he is so d@mn convinced that he is expressing himself correctly and *I* am the one misunderstanding. Now, I have an afflicted Mercury myself, and because of that I pay extra attention to what I say because I am prone to being misunderstood. So I really don't think it's me. But he's too d@mn stubborn to ever admit the problem is with him, as well, so yeah... I let him ramble and I don't friggin' listen unless he really wants to communicate with me. Otherwise, talk to the hand, mate!