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malicefey
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posted November 17, 2011 07:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for malicefey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not sure how to take my boyfriend sometimes. He's a scorpio (figures) and likes to INDIRECTLY control me, or get me to do something. He doesnt say it upfront, straight out. Instead he does these little things to make me think that I should do what he suggested. Too bad that I'm a strong woman, if he was reasonable sometimes, I would take his suggestion. If he wasn't, he STILL wants me to take his suggestions.

Example #1:
He plans on signing up for a gym near his house. He asks me: "You'll join it with me?" I didn't give him a direct answer. Later, he jokes to me "you should lose 10 pounds!" I said "No, other people say I'm good where I'm at." And he smirks and says "are you sure?" Then later that night, we're eating, and he says "eat more, I like it when you eat my food that I made for you"--Later, he choses the gym I said I would be interested in because I wanted to play squash, got 2 trial member cards and tells me "We should get up early and try it out together." -- wtf??? sorry dude I don't wanna wake up any earlier than 10am!?!??!

Example #2:
I told him I wanted to get a PS3, and if I want it, I'll go get it. He kept asking me "Are you sure??" "maybe that'll be a distraction to everyday life.." "maybe we can't control and we'll just play games all day" I said "No. YOU can't control. I am perfectly fine and I know my capabilities when it comes to control". Then he mumbles and says "I have to start to control your spending.." I snapped back and said "Wtf dude, I bought 1 thing." Lol..

Actually, I've noticed that he's using "WE" alot. However, I use "I" and "YOU" alot..ya I know that's my problem :P

I was wondering,what in our synastry chart would show that he wants to "secretly" dominate me and control me? (Or maybe I am just really delusioned and he's not controlling at all??...or maybe I just don't like to listen to anyone cuz I don't like to be dominated????) hahaha..


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posted November 17, 2011 07:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for scrappydog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sun conjunct pluto and pluto conjunct asc is definate power struggles and thats what this sounds most like to me, control/power struggles between the both of you.

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posted November 17, 2011 07:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mintgirl123     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
woah! Ok the pluto conjunct asc is going to make things really heavy. He's going to always feel like controlling and manipulating you in a way.

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posted November 17, 2011 07:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for malicefey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One thing that really got me upset is that he CAN do it...sometimes...but I'm starting to realize this.

He tells me "I don't want to control you, please do whatever you want"

I'm sometimes a party girl...and drink too much..and I have drunk stories, ya. And, his reaction was VERY controlled. The only thing he kept doing was telling me to becareful and to stay safe and not to drink to much (to the point where it's like hearing a mom nag).

So later that night, after going to drink with a couple of friends, I sent him a text letting him know that I'm okay and that I didn't drink too much. (Wtf submissive??)

And he goes and tells me:
"Oh, I'm not worried about you. You don't need to care about me when you're out. I'm not supposed to tie you down."

He used the word SUPPOSED to tie you down.

I'm like WTF?? I ignored his texts, he apologized and tried to get a hold of me to explain himself, called me twice, etc. Too bad I was already asleep...at 10pm :P

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posted November 17, 2011 07:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for malicefey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mintgirl123:
woah! Ok the pluto conjunct asc is going to make things really heavy. He's going to always feel like controlling and manipulating you in a way.

Mintgirl, what's the "Woah!" mean? I'm curious!! Haha

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posted November 17, 2011 07:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for scrappydog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yea he seems jealous and controling maybe and hes trying to hide it through manipulation like that text he sent you.

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posted November 17, 2011 07:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mintgirl123     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My WOAH is for the fact his pluto is right on your asc haha. It's like wow, yeah... He's never going to be relaxed and allow you to do your own thing. He will always feel this subconscious need to control you. Even if he doesn't want to. It's just natural.

It's like when sb has their saturn on your asc or desc. They will always restrict you, and nit pick at you. They can't help it?
The orb has to be tight though, and his pluto is conjuncting your asc really closely... So he's always going to be the controlling bf =/

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posted November 17, 2011 07:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for malicefey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mintgirl123:
My WOAH is for the fact his pluto is right on your asc haha. It's like wow, yeah... He's never going to be relaxed and allow you to do your own thing. He will always feel this subconscious need to control you. Even if he doesn't want to. It's just natural.

It's like when sb has their saturn on your asc or desc. They will always restrict you, and nit pick at you. They can't help it?
The orb has to be tight though, and his pluto is conjuncting your asc really closely... So he's always going to be the controlling bf =/


Perfect! I love to play with fire! Then I can blackmail him: "sorry, I don't see a 3 carat diamond ring on my finger. Not gonna happen."


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posted November 17, 2011 08:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for malicefey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Heres a totally unrelated question:

I have my ASC, venus, merc, pluto in his 12th house in which he has his own sun conj his saturn in scorpio.

Who's feeling it deeper?

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posted November 17, 2011 08:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mintgirl123     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He seems to be testing you. Like saying things, pushing you alittle to see if you give way or stand your ground. That's the impression I get from what he says. He acts alittle 'round about' in manner. Like sometimes he doesn't say things straight out? He says it in another way to imply things, and seems to be testing your reaction?

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posted November 17, 2011 08:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for malicefey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mintgirl123:
He seems to be testing you. Like saying things, pushing you alittle to see if you give way or stand your ground. That's the impression I get from what he says. He acts alittle 'round about' in manner. Like sometimes he doesn't say things straight out? He says it in another way to imply things, and seems to be testing your reaction?

Yes, he definitely does that...you are correct!! He got super jealous and it was borderline like he was about to beat the crap out of a baby. That's how scary his face turned. Of course I just let him be. Little boys and their games..

The the more I DON'T submit, the more he's intrigued to control me. Is that correct?

He can test me, truth came out he believes that He trusts me more than I trust him. He even "jokingly" implied it one day. I raised my voice at him (I might be a little girl but I have a pretty big voice) and said "THAT'S BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE ANY REASON TO SHOW YOU THAT YOU CAN'T TRUST ME..I KNOW MY SH*T"

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posted November 17, 2011 08:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mintgirl123     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You unnerve him lol in a good way. But I would say you're both feeling it, in different ways?
Just by looking at what houses your planets fall in and how his fall in yours, kinda feels like you have a different effect on him, as he does on you.

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posted November 17, 2011 08:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mintgirl123     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He provides you with a feeling of security, and you like the way he supports you and the way he expresses himself.
He likes the way you get under his skin, and can feel sides of him he doesn't show other people. He also likes how you can be a friend as well as a lover. =)

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posted November 17, 2011 08:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for malicefey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mintgirl123:
He provides you with a feeling of security, and you like the way he supports you and the way he expresses himself.
He likes the way you get under his skin, and can feel sides of him he doesn't show other people. He also likes how you can be a friend as well as a lover. =)

Would it imply he just wants to be able to conquer, then move onto the next dumb b*tch? lol, sorry, I'm really harsh and abrasive today.

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posted November 17, 2011 08:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mintgirl123     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOL! Depends on how you play your cards lmfao. Nah, he seems pretty intense. Doesn't seem the really flighty type. Venus in sag are said to be flighty, but based on my past experiences with three of them, they commit! You just gotta be worth it hunny LOL.

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posted November 17, 2011 08:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mintgirl123     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This guy wants somebody who stands their ground, carefree, determined, laid back but at the same time knows what they want always.
If he pushes you, push back alittle. He doesn't want a damsel in distress. He wants sb who can kick ass.

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posted November 17, 2011 08:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for malicefey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mintgirl123:
This guy wants somebody who stands their ground, carefree, determined, laid back but at the same time knows what they want always.
If he pushes you, push back alittle. He doesn't want a damsel in distress. He wants sb who can kick ass.

ROFL perfect, cuz I work in a Bank where all day long we either a) get our ass kicked or b) kick ass. There's no inbetween.

On top of that, I kick my boyfriend's ass around a little sometimes. Like I said, I might be a small girl but I got a big voice, louder than his, and when I yell at him, he startles a little. But I can tell from his stupid smirk that he kinda likes it.

Might I add, I love to play with fire. And with his moon in Aries, he does too, and I'm sure in a sense I'm the fire.

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posted November 17, 2011 08:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannarama     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You should check out my thread "controlling partners", we're discussing exactly this! Aside from that though, he sounds like my Scorpio BFF when she really wants me to do something and I won't. When Scorpios get attached to you, they want you to go everywhere with them because you become sort of like a security blanket even if they're confident (maybe that's their possessiveness?), for instance my Scorpio BFF wants me to work at her job where she works with a lot of born again religious people who've had really rough pasts, but she doesn't want me there for my own good it's more so 'cause she has no friends and also wants to show the girls around there she has a girl friend (girls never take to her for some reason).

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posted November 17, 2011 08:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for malicefey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hannarama:
You should check out my thread "controlling partners", we're discussing exactly this! Aside from that though, he sounds like my Scorpio BFF when she really wants me to do something and I won't. When Scorpios get attached to you, they want you to go everywhere with them because you become sort of like a security blanket even if they're confident (maybe that's their possessiveness?), for instance my Scorpio BFF wants me to work at her job where she works with a lot of born again religious people who've had really rough pasts, but she doesn't want me there for my own good it's more so 'cause she has no friends and also wants to show the girls around there she has a girl friend (girls never take to her for some reason).

Good Idea! I'm gonna go crash that thread now!!!! I'm just kidding.

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posted November 17, 2011 08:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tuxedoMask     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
make an exit and FAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

that's not likely to get any better
later down the road, it could get hairy.

just saying, is all.

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posted November 17, 2011 08:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for malicefey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by tuxedoMask:
make an exit and FAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

that's not likely to get any better
later down the road, it could get hairy.

just saying, is all.


Tuxedo, what do you see in the synastry? I'm curious :P

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posted November 17, 2011 08:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for malicefey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My bf doesn't have alot of Scorpio in his natal. I was thinking that perhaps it makes him "less" of a scorpio.

Sun Scorpio
Moon Aries
Mercury Sagittarius
Venus Sagittarius
Mars Capricorn
Jupiter Capricorn
Saturn Scorpio
Uranus Sagittarius
Neptune Sagittarius
Pluto Scorpio

Wouldn't all the Sag's make him more "fun" and less "scorpio-ish" ? With all the brooding and all that dark stuff?

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posted November 17, 2011 09:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls**     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Uhhh astrology aside, all the red lights were going off in my head as I read this post. Now, being the person that I am, I would probably dump anyone who said "I'm going to have to control your spending" AND "You should lose 10 lbs." F*ck that. Get out while you still can. I think it can only get worse.

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posted November 17, 2011 09:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually he sounds like every Capricorn Mars person I know... and you sound like every Libra Mars person I know -- when it comes to the arguments you are having about you being a party girl and going out and drinking etc.

You're just different and you will always be different when it comes to this... so if you can put up with the differences - I guess it's all good.. If it annoys you too much, you can always end things.

The other stuff about you losing weight and whether you should buy a playstation... I think that's more his Scorpio side being invasive.

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posted November 17, 2011 09:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for malicefey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Uhhh astrology aside, all the red lights were going off in my head as I read this post. Now, being the person that I am, I would probably dump anyone who said "I'm going to have to control your spending" AND "You should lose 10 lbs." F*ck that. Get out while you still can. I think it can only get worse.

Sadly, I am just as bad. Whenever I didn't feel like it, I would yell at him. He would then back off. Those topics hardly came back to conversation after I've voiced my opinion. He said that, but he really can't do it and hasn't done it. As for long term, we'll wait and see. I'm a little twisted so I do like some possessiveness, as I, myself, have quite a few scorpio placements

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