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Topic: Why are Snakes so sophisticated?
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RunAroundScreaming
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posted November 18, 2011 06:56 PM
  
Snakes are loners and have very sophisticated tastes. Their house must be impeccably decorated, they must be dressed really classy, the music must be classy, preferably classical or maybe some soulful blues or jazz. And ballet and playing the piano or violin are hobbies they always dreamed of taking up. Why is that? Is it because they are supposed to be the last sign of the chinese zodiac, and therefore the "oldest, and wisest?"IP: Logged |
Coffee
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posted November 18, 2011 07:04 PM
Snakes? Chinese? Don't know Chinese.IP: Logged |
starfox
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posted November 18, 2011 07:10 PM
Snakes are dangerous..snakes like to writhe around stirring it all up.Me Monkey treads carefully around the snake and still laughs. 
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Xiiro
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posted November 18, 2011 07:36 PM
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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
Snakes are loners and have very sophisticated tastes. Their house must be impeccably decorated, they must be dressed really classy, the music must be classy, preferably classical or maybe some soulful blues or jazz. And ballet and playing the piano or violin are hobbies they always dreamed of taking up. Why is that? Is it because they are supposed to be the last sign of the chinese zodiac, and therefore the "oldest, and wisest?"
I'm a Fire Snake and for lack of a better explanation, it's because life is precious and fleeting. Change is inevitable, so why not seek refinement and quality in the moment? Snakes biggest fault is laziness, we have endless ambition, but must always fight to get the body out of bed in the morning. Part of this is because our internal mechanism is completely intuitive and feeling based. We just LOVE things that make us feel good (like cozy warm blankets on a cold winter morning). The struggle for us is often between what makes us feel interesting feelings (good food, good drink, good entertainment, good friends, good meditation) and what needs to be done in order to be of service to the rest of the world. I can imagine it is quite simple for an afflicted snake to stay in a comfortable position until the world crumbles, as long as their comfort remains. In this way I have heard Snakes compared to the Taurus/Scorpio dynamic. IP: Logged |
NativelyJoan
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posted November 18, 2011 07:47 PM
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RunAroundScreaming: Is it because they are supposed to be the last sign of the chinese zodiac, and therefore the "oldest, and wisest?"
Snakes aren't the oldest or wisest they have just as much value and importance as all the other signs. From your description they actually sound materialistic and superficial which does not a wise person make. Just saying.... I don't know I think you've got to think about their symbolism in Chinese culture and astrology to truly understand the folklore and cultural significance of each sign. For example Dragons are iconic in Chinese culture, they represent good fortune, leadership, and abundance. "In the mythology of various Oriental countries, the dragon is the supreme spiritual power, the most ancient emblem and the most ubiquitous motif in Oriental Art. These dragons represent celestial and terrestrial power, wisdom and strength." (http://www.mythicalrealm.com/creatures/chinese_dragon.html) I take Chinese astrology with a grain of salt because it's too broad. IP: Logged |
RunAroundScreaming
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posted November 18, 2011 07:59 PM
Xiiro, that's brilliant! Really well said and so true.
But I also think that seeking refinement in everything is something that shows a lot of wisdom. Being classy shows wisdom in itself. A lot of people are materialistic, but not classy.NativelyJoan....pfft...whatever lol. You didn't even make a point in your post. Why come here and degrade my post without having anything substantial to say. But, whatever. You and I have very different views of what it is to be materialistic, it seems. IP: Logged |
NativelyJoan
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posted November 18, 2011 08:15 PM
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RunAroundScreaming: NativelyJoan....pfft...whatever lol. You didn't even make a point in your post. Why come here and degrade my post without having anything substantial to say. But, whatever. You and I have very different views of what it is to be materialistic, it seems.
Hmm.. well I thought what I stated was substantiated, I gave an example and a link. And my point was to illuminate that Chinese astrology goes deeper than generalizations. Research Chinese cultural folklore related to the sign and animal of the Snake and you'll understand. The snake being sophisticated is just a superficial description that clouds over the deeper cultural significances and symbolism of that animal and zodiac sign. I also made a point that saying Snakes are the oldest and wisest is a blatant generalization and all the Chinese signs have the same capabilities to be both wise and ancient. I'm not trying to challenge you, rather give you an alternative perspective. IP: Logged |
RunAroundScreaming
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posted November 18, 2011 08:46 PM
I know what the snake and dragon mean in chinese folklore....every website that describes the sign of the snake talks about it. And it also talks about how wisdom, being deep and intellectual, and being sophisticated, elegant and loving luxurious things are keynotes of this sign. And it doesn't mention this of the other signs.IP: Logged |
Xiiro
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posted November 18, 2011 09:11 PM
"In China, to tell a woman that she is a “veritable snake” is the summit of all compliments. And why not? Snakes are fabulous people. Not only do they look sensational, but they are wise." - Suzanne White "The New Astrology"
http://jimboduck.com/pdf/thenewastrology.pdf IP: Logged |
Stawr
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posted November 18, 2011 09:21 PM
Snakes are also known for being reserved and sensitive.My Chinese hour is wood snake. I think I read that wood snakes seem to live a lovely life but love life can be a challenge. People born in the year of the wood snake are Charlie Sheen and Shania Twain. IP: Logged |
NativelyJoan
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posted November 18, 2011 10:00 PM
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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
I know what the snake and dragon mean in chinese folklore....every website that describes the sign of the snake talks about it. And it also talks about how wisdom, being deep and intellectual, and being sophisticated, elegant and loving luxurious things are keynotes of this sign. And it doesn't mention this of the other signs.
We'll agree to disagree. I've read varied descriptions that include those traits in relation to other signs, not just Snakes even though I don't disagree that Snakes might have those traits. Our research differs and thus we have varied points of view. I just think being "wise" can apply to almost any sign. Rabbit
"they are conservative and wise..." Horse
"The are wise, talented...." Sheep/Goat
"People born in the Year of Sheep are elegant and highly accomplished in the arts...they are wise, gentle, and compassionate."
http://www.astrologer.info/zodiacchinese/ Rats
"Extremely perceptive and wise...." Monkey
"Wise, charming..."
http://www.kungfukc.com/chinesezodiacpage.htm IP: Logged |
curiouswoman
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posted November 18, 2011 10:03 PM
how do they attract the object of their desire?IP: Logged |
NickiG
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posted November 18, 2011 10:05 PM
i'm a snake!! and to make it better i'm a scorpio too...thats like throwing lighter fluid on the fire------------------
I once saw a sign that said "sin is death" but if "all deaths are suicide (linda goodman)" and suicide is sin, then shouldnt "death is sin" be more appropriate? when organic is used to describe food then you know we have come to a dark age in history IP: Logged |
RunAroundScreaming
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posted November 18, 2011 11:07 PM
NativelyJoan: Sigh... there are maximum 2 websites that say that about those signs, but every description of the snake describes them as wise. I think you're honestly just trying to be difficult.For the person who wanted to know how snakes seduce.. I remember one of these had a very good answer to that question, and it was a book result.
http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1_____enUS420US420&aq=f&gcx=c&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=horse+wise#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&safe=off&rlz=1C1_____enUS420US420&source=hp&q=snake+soph isticated+astrology&pbx=1&oq=snake+sophisticated+astrology&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=104113l107925l1l108193l12l6l2l0l0l0l625l1809l0.1.4.5-1l7l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp =caa04b27b8edc9bc&biw=1024&bih=485 IP: Logged |
YoursTrulyAlways
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posted November 18, 2011 11:09 PM
Do you ladies really believe in any of those stereotyes? I'm incredulous.BTW, I'm Chinese. IP: Logged |
NickiG
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posted November 18, 2011 11:13 PM
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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
Do you ladies really believe in any of those stereotyes? I'm incredulous.BTW, I'm Chinese.
eh, no, not really, becuase most of it doesnt apply to me...or it does because snakes pretty much describe scorpios...they tend to have a lot of simiarities ------------------
I once saw a sign that said "sin is death" but if "all deaths are suicide (linda goodman)" and suicide is sin, then shouldnt "death is sin" be more appropriate? when organic is used to describe food then you know we have come to a dark age in history IP: Logged |
RunAroundScreaming
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posted November 18, 2011 11:17 PM
I do  . I know tons of snake women who fit their characteristics. And tons of other people who fit their sign, too.
People even look and move like their chinese sign animal.IP: Logged |
NickiG
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posted November 18, 2011 11:18 PM
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I do . I know tons of snake women who fit their characteristics. And tons of other people who fit their sign, too.
People even look and move like their chinese sign animal.
i dont think i look or move like a snake... ------------------
I once saw a sign that said "sin is death" but if "all deaths are suicide (linda goodman)" and suicide is sin, then shouldnt "death is sin" be more appropriate? when organic is used to describe food then you know we have come to a dark age in history IP: Logged |
RunAroundScreaming
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posted November 18, 2011 11:23 PM
Soo... did u say that you fit the characteristics, or you don't? confused..IP: Logged |
NickiG
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posted November 18, 2011 11:25 PM
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Soo... did u say that you fit the characteristics, or you don't? confused..
i fit some, but because the characteristics are so like scorpio characteristics and i am a scorpio that its hard to draw the line of whats scorpio about me and whats snake about me ------------------
I once saw a sign that said "sin is death" but if "all deaths are suicide (linda goodman)" and suicide is sin, then shouldnt "death is sin" be more appropriate? when organic is used to describe food then you know we have come to a dark age in history IP: Logged |
NativelyJoan
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posted November 18, 2011 11:29 PM
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YoursTrulyAlways: Do you ladies really believe in any of those stereotyes? I'm incredulous.BTW, I'm Chinese.
I don't at all! It's actually the reason why I pointed out that these generalizations could be applied to any sign or anyone. Chinese zodiac astrology is too broad and too general to be accurate or consistent. quote:
RunAroundScreaming: I think you're honestly just trying to be difficult.
I'm just stating my point of view. Take it or leave it, that's the way the wheel goes.
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RunAroundScreaming
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posted November 18, 2011 11:32 PM
well, i guess i can't prove it to you guys. But trust me, it's true.IP: Logged |
hannarama
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posted November 18, 2011 11:35 PM
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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
Snakes are loners and have very sophisticated tastes. Their house must be impeccably decorated, they must be dressed really classy, the music must be classy, preferably classical or maybe some soulful blues or jazz. And ballet and playing the piano or violin are hobbies they always dreamed of taking up. Why is that? Is it because they are supposed to be the last sign of the chinese zodiac, and therefore the "oldest, and wisest?"
I'm an Earth snake, much to my chagrin. I'm thankful I'm at least a Snake in perhaps I can MAYBE cultivate a sense of mystery but contrary to the image I have of myself in my head of who I want to be (a magnetic, mysterious Snake/Scorpio), I get the impression people see me as a social butterfly, someone who's easy to talk to, opinionated, and not mysterious or brooding at all (well, who wants to be labeled as 'brooding' anyway.) I DO relate a lot to Snake's likes and dislikes, and their general behavior. Why do I like soft, quiet environments? Because I'm hypersensitive. Loud noises, sudden movements, and no exit make me very anxious and annoyed. A Snake can be quite complex as we're just as much thinkers as we are feelers, thus it doesn't take much to overstimulate us. Funny you mention the piano - I've been playing for at least 17 years. I wonder if other snakes share my point of view when I say it's difficult for us to put our emotion into words. It's not simple for us like it is for water signs to tell you how we feel, so instead we express it every way BUT verbally. Snakes tend to think ahead in terms of domino effects (if that makes sense). Cause and effect. Snakes are very prestigious because of their early wisdom, and they want to be rewarded for it. ETA: I do have kind of squinted eyes although their almond shaped. My brows are contoured and happen to arch inward, so while it does match the description for an 'Aries' brow, it also resembles a Snake-like look a little bit too. I'm also very graceful, even though I'm built like a Taurus. IP: Logged |
NickiG
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posted November 18, 2011 11:36 PM
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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
well, i guess i can't prove it to you guys. But trust me, it's true.
maybe so, but its not just chinese astrology...but my own chart does not tell who i am exactly...you'd think a scorpio sun, leo moon would be sophisticated enough, and then i'm born in the year of the snake and still not nearly as sophisticated as i would like to be ------------------
I once saw a sign that said "sin is death" but if "all deaths are suicide (linda goodman)" and suicide is sin, then shouldnt "death is sin" be more appropriate? when organic is used to describe food then you know we have come to a dark age in history IP: Logged |
YoursTrulyAlways
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posted November 18, 2011 11:43 PM
If its any indication, none of my family members and none of my friends believe in any of this animal horoscope astrology. We are all Chinese and we constantly make fun of it. Dittos for everything else like feng shui and i-ching etc. A broken clock is correct twice a day. I'm both a water rabbit and a capricorn, so I guess both horoscopes fit a single image of conservatism, luck and the good life. For what its worth. IP: Logged |
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