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hannarama
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posted November 21, 2011 12:06 AM
  
Who gets along better with whom, and what are your Moon/Venus placements and aspects? I have Sun conjunct Venus, and Moon trine Neptune. Sun and Venus are both in Aries and both in the 11th house, Moon is in Taurus in the 11th trine Neptune in the 7th in Capricorn. I figured that might be why women tend to like me more, although I'm not sure if there's aspects indicating problems with men (sure there are, but I don't know them.) Just as a sidenote, I get along with everybody in general but women gravitate towards me and I'm not sure why they don't do the same with my Scorpio BFF. Women tend to take an instant disliking to her. IP: Logged |
Betty Boop
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posted November 21, 2011 12:14 AM
80% of the time I get along with both... I have Venus trine Mars. But occasionally when I get strongly annoyed with someone, it is usually a man - not a woman.
I find the women in my life slightly more emotionally mature & reasonable... mainly up to 35 yrs of age or so. After 30s, it seems to level out. IP: Logged |
hannarama
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posted November 21, 2011 12:22 AM
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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
80% of the time I get along with both... I have Venus trine Mars. But occasionally when I get strongly annoyed with someone, it is usually a man - not a woman.
I find the women in my life slightly more emotionally mature & reasonable... mainly up to 35 yrs of age or so. After 30s, it seems to level out.
Hmm. The Scorpio has Moon sq. Mars, and Venus doesn't make any contact with Mars. Could that have something to do with the vibe she gives off to women? I'm like you, I usually get annoyed with guys easier than women. I see guys' motivations faster and the fact they try to deny and delay revealing them annoys the hell out of me. IP: Logged |
Betty Boop
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posted November 21, 2011 01:07 AM
I don't really know. I always thought it was a Venus/Mars thing. A lot of Venus square Mars people seem to have problems either with the opposite sex or their own or sometimes both. They get annoyed easily. But I guess Moon square Mars could be similar. Does she distrust or dislike women? Because they probably sense this. My other aspects are:
Moon (Cap) sextile Mercury (Pisces)
Moon quintile Pluto (Scorpio)
Venus (Taurus) trine Neptune (Cap)
Venus conj NN
Venus opp Pluto I also have Sun square Moon, but it's wide!
My Sun/Venus are in the 11th like yours! Moon/Mars/Neptune are in the 7th. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted November 21, 2011 01:10 AM
I could 'get along better' w.men if I wanted to, the thing is, I don't have to worry about any sexual tension w.women, so it's easier for me to be myself around them. I talk to the women around me & basically ignore the men unless I'm in the mood for a relationship/flirting or the guy is a complete sweetheart. I'm happy to talk to sweethearts. The aloof business is the Capricorn. If I'm not paying attn to them they have to work hard to get me to notice them.
Moon conj Venus, Capricorn, 6th, sq Mars/Saturn/Pluto."I see guys' motivations faster"
---If you mean sexual motivation, then I am right there with ya. But for me I tend to feel oppressed by sexual attention unless I want it. I find men a burden when they are sexually attracted to me and I don't feel the same, easier to just completely ignore. I see women overall as more caring and attentive as well...I mean you could get a sweet guy friend, but if he's sexually motivated in his concern, ugh, keep it in your pants..unless he's one of those sweethearts that I wanna take care of in all sorts of ways   IP: Logged |
amowls**
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posted November 21, 2011 01:21 AM
My best friends are always women, but I find it is easier for me to make friends with guys. Other women intimidate me  like I think i'm not cool enough for them.My Venus only makes squares with other planets and my Mars only has one hard aspect. IP: Logged |
scrappydog
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posted November 21, 2011 01:32 AM
I am kinda "just one of the guys." I make friends much easier with men than women, I feel more comfortable with men.
I am libra sun conjunct pluto. Moon in cappy sqaure saturn. Asc in taurus conjunct chiron. Earth grand trine from moon(cappy) to asc/chiron(taurus) to venus(virgo).
I hear taurus girls are like this...IP: Logged |
JohnFKennedy
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posted November 21, 2011 01:35 AM
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Originally posted by Lonake:
I could 'get along better' w.men if I wanted to, the thing is, I don't have to worry about any sexual tension w.women, so it's easier for me to be myself around them. I talk to the women around me & basically ignore the men unless I'm in the mood for a relationship/flirting or the guy is a complete sweetheart. I'm happy to talk to sweethearts. The aloof business is the Capricorn. If I'm not paying attn to them they have to work hard to get me to notice them.
Moon conj Venus, Capricorn, 6th, sq Mars/Saturn/Pluto."I see guys' motivations faster"
---If you mean sexual motivation, then I am right there with ya. But for me I tend to feel oppressed by sexual attention unless I want it. I find men a burden when they are sexually attracted to me and I don't feel the same, easier to just completely ignore. I see women overall as more caring and attentive as well...I mean you could get a sweet guy friend, but if he's sexually motivated in his concern, ugh, keep it in your pants..unless he's one of those sweethearts that I wanna take care of in all sorts of ways
Damn, coulda wrote this post word per word myself Lonake. IP: Logged |
frankie2912
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posted November 21, 2011 01:35 AM
I'm a female who gets along mostly with guys. I tend to have a more aggressive attitude than most girls and I'm into things that more guys like than girls..like i'd rather watch Pawn Stars than Keeping Up w./ the Kardashitwhatevers..I have a lot of platonic male friends and I click with guys almost instantly (most guys). I do have a few close female friends that I really get along with.Funny thing is...when I was younger, it was all the opposite. Even though my interests and attitude has typically always been the same. Moon in Sagittarius (2nd house)
Venus in Scorpio (1st house) IP: Logged |
Betty Boop
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posted November 21, 2011 01:37 AM
Amowls - You are totally cool! I don't know why you'd ever think otherwise. You're very intelligent, opinionated and you're no push-over & I'm sure others (girls&guys) would appreciate this about you  IP: Logged |
downtomars
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posted November 21, 2011 01:41 AM
I get along with men better. It is just easier, more fun. I make it clear that we are friends and I don’t dangle the sexual carrot or flirt with them, so it is just easy and natural. I used to be a part of all-female toxic friend groups when I was in my teens and early 20s and after those experiences I learned to keep most women at arm’s length. I do have a couple of close women friends but they are older and more like mentors. I have had too many women turn on me and I don’t need/want to deal with that. I think it might be the Moon-Pluto conjunction which is described by Bob Marks as: quote:
Women with the stressful aspects have to be careful of other women who will get jealous and turn on them, even after years of "friendship". No, this does not mean that EVERY woman in your life will do this, but you will get more than your share of such incidents, much more. The mother will tend to be a strong-willed, no nonsense type. Again, in the horoscopes of women, the mother will tend to be jealous of you and act accordingly.
It has been bad, really bad. I was bullied, had private phone conversations recorded, threatened, had stuff stolen from me, gossiped about...blech, yikes... I have Moon square Venus on top of the Moon conjunct Pluto, Moon trine Mars (exact) and Mars trine Pluto. Neptune is also in my 11th so I now know to be careful!
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Betty Boop
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posted November 21, 2011 01:51 AM
Reading these replies.. it kind of reminds me of my own feelings.. It's very easy for me to hang out with men, to be one of the guys.. to be friends and so on... But these relationships are always kind of fun & surface... never all that deep.
If they start to get deep.. the guy usually assumes we are dating - NOT GOOD!
Not everyone seems to get the concept of male/female platonic friendship. Some guys think that if you give them attention, you're 'interested', which I try to stir clear from (unless I actually am interested, of course). If I am looking for a light hearted.. "Hey - hows it going? Did you watch the footie/rugby/cricket last night?".... chit-chat... then yeah, sure.. I'll pick a random guy and strike up a convo. But if I want an *actual* friend who is there for me.. I tend to trust women more. I do like men a LOT, but they are different in some ways.. I can't always be bothered with the issues they have about emotional closeness/intimacy and so on. I realise not all men are like this.. but I think unfortunately due to social norms and conditioning.. a lot of western guys seem to have this problem. IP: Logged |
downtomars
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posted November 21, 2011 02:03 AM
I agree with you Betty Boop but I tend to keep it light with people anyway, especially because as you stated men can be unreliable. Plus, if a guy has a girlfriend then she gets jealous. I have had my best guy friend's girlfriend accuse him of cheating with me because he talks about me a lot (I told him not to do that!!! He was cheating on her though, but not with me). I am actually a little bit of a loner. My experiences have kind of led me there. I have a few close friends and lots of acquaintances but most of them are men. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted November 21, 2011 02:05 AM
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Damn, coulda wrote this post word per word myself Lonake.
O yea, what's your Moon/Venus? Is Pluto in the mix there?IP: Logged |
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posted November 21, 2011 02:27 AM
women, i actually have leo moon square venus in taurus. but i have cancer mc conjunct leo moon..i get along with men after clashing, which kinda sucks lol! i think it is because i have sun opp mars and saturn. sometimes i can blatantly see them size me up or see if i will hold their stare. weird but i doesn't happen with everyone. just guys iv actually really gotten along with lol! IP: Logged |
hannarama
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posted November 21, 2011 02:35 AM
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Originally posted by Lonake:
I could 'get along better' w.men if I wanted to, the thing is, I don't have to worry about any sexual tension w.women, so it's easier for me to be myself around them. I talk to the women around me & basically ignore the men unless I'm in the mood for a relationship/flirting or the guy is a complete sweetheart. I'm happy to talk to sweethearts. The aloof business is the Capricorn. If I'm not paying attn to them they have to work hard to get me to notice them.
Moon conj Venus, Capricorn, 6th, sq Mars/Saturn/Pluto."I see guys' motivations faster"
---If you mean sexual motivation, then I am right there with ya. But for me I tend to feel oppressed by sexual attention unless I want it. I find men a burden when they are sexually attracted to me and I don't feel the same, easier to just completely ignore. I see women overall as more caring and attentive as well...I mean you could get a sweet guy friend, but if he's sexually motivated in his concern, ugh, keep it in your pants..unless he's one of those sweethearts that I wanna take care of in all sorts of ways
I've got a ton of Capricorn influence too. I've had to work on my self-esteem and realize when guys are actually flirting with me, around to see me specifically but up until this point I've ignored guys as well. I think Capricorns are very intuitive and they can smell ******** . Guys try to spout a lot of ******** (but I think a lot of this is what they read in dumb magazines/media and they think we love ******** . Guys: We Capricorn influenced women don't.) Anyway my point in saying that is I kind of saw sexual tension as an obstacle. I was like "Can't I have a conversation with you without you thinking I'm trying to convey a cryptic message?" I hate that certain topics have to be off-limits with guys because it could be taken the wrong way. When I said motivations, I meant in general as well as sexual. I just know when guys are lying easier than women. And lying about anything, not just relationships. IP: Logged |
hannarama
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posted November 21, 2011 02:37 AM
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My best friends are always women, but I find it is easier for me to make friends with guys. Other women intimidate me like I think i'm not cool enough for them.My Venus only makes squares with other planets and my Mars only has one hard aspect.
Interesting! I always assume I have a spot in a circle of women simply because I'm one of them. Then again I guess that's my perception I'll act a certain way. Have you tried acting like you already fit in instead of worrying about it? (being sincere, here.) IP: Logged |
hannarama
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posted November 21, 2011 02:41 AM
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Originally posted by scrappydog:
I am kinda "just one of the guys." I make friends much easier with men than women, I feel more comfortable with men.
I am libra sun conjunct pluto. Moon in cappy sqaure saturn. Asc in taurus conjunct chiron. Earth grand trine from moon(cappy) to asc/chiron(taurus) to venus(virgo).
I hear taurus girls are like this...
I think you're right. I used to be friends with a Taurus girl and upon meeting her she gave off kind of a lesbian-vibe (she was straight) and was that girl who says "I don't like girls. Girls annoy me." (irks me to no end girls who say that. There's THOUSANDS of women in your vicinity and you can't find two or three to get along with?) I'll go off topic if I continue about that statement but she was very good at befriending guys. But it always amazed me 'cause it was a GENUINE friendship. They would tell her their feelings about things in their lives, they'd go fishing together, one of her guy friends even agreed to make this awesome scrapbook/journal looking thing with her. I was whining inside like "I want that...." I'd love to have a straight guy best friend who does stuff like that with me..... #cornymoment.
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posted November 21, 2011 02:48 AM
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I get along with men better. It is just easier, more fun. I make it clear that we are friends and I don’t dangle the sexual carrot or flirt with them, so it is just easy and natural. I used to be a part of all-female toxic friend groups when I was in my teens and early 20s and after those experiences I learned to keep most women at arm’s length. I do have a couple of close women friends but they are older and more like mentors. I have had too many women turn on me and I don’t need/want to deal with that. I think it might be the Moon-Pluto conjunction which is described by Bob Marks as: It has been bad, really bad. I was bullied, had private phone conversations recorded, threatened, had stuff stolen from me, gossiped about...blech, yikes... I have Moon square Venus on top of the Moon conjunct Pluto, Moon trine Mars (exact) and Mars trine Pluto. Neptune is also in my 11th so I now know to be careful!
If that's Moon conjunct Pluto, then I must be damned with an opposition right? But I've never had those experiences with women. Well, in middle school sure but I didn't count those. It was middle school. Everyone's a jerk in middle school. I also don't think I pose a threat to women. I'm comfortable around them and for some reason they make me feel like a man but I feel like a woman when I'm around a man so it works.... great, now I sound WEIRD. IP: Logged |
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posted November 21, 2011 02:50 AM
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O yea, what's your Moon/Venus? Is Pluto in the mix there?
Venus in Aries in the 7th (quicinux Pluto) and Moon in Aquarius in the 5th (square Pluto) - I guess those two players being in "romantic" houses gives me an intuitive feel towards the intention of most men and it is pretty exasperating, even on a casual "friendship" basis. Things feel more warm and sincere with women in the long haul. IP: Logged |
downtomars
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posted November 21, 2011 03:00 AM
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Originally posted by hannarama:
If that's Moon conjunct Pluto, then I must be damned with an opposition right? But I've never had those experiences with women. Well, in middle school sure but I didn't count those. It was middle school. Everyone's a jerk in middle school. I also don't think I pose a threat to women. I'm comfortable around them and for some reason they make me feel like a man but I feel like a woman when I'm around a man so it works.... great, now I sound WEIRD.
That kind of thing happened until I broke it off with a toxic clique at age 23! I wish it stayed in middle school but some people never grow out of it. I actually thought of trying to befriend these ladies again a few of years ago since some time had passed. I looked up one of them on Myspace and she had a picture of the old gang and it a couple of the ladies made disparaging comments about me! I mean six years later, still? I gave up completely... I know what you mean though, it is not weird! IP: Logged |
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posted November 21, 2011 03:17 AM
At school girls hardly ever talk to me and the only girl friend I've made there so far has been a lesbian who had a little crush on me lol. (im in a community college btw, i dont think people go there to make friends anyway)I realllyyy want girl friends. But the ones i meet have no similar interests and i'm just really not good at small talk! I feel like if i could get past the small talk we might have stuff in common but i dont know.... I'm pretty awkward about talking to people in general. But I find it easier to approach guys because I feel like I can charm them hah. I don't pursue deep friendships with them though, i'm just saying i can be more myself and calm around them. Not if it's a guy I really like tho! Thats another story haha. Right now I only have like 2 friends a girl and guy. I'd like women friends though! I want to go have lunch or to disneyland and do all the nice things i see the other girls on facebook doing! (as yu know FB friends aren't always 'real' friends) Really I need to change my ways I suppose that OR I just don't come across girls who interest me.:P
And i noticed that of the 5 goodish friends in my life, I've kissed 3 of them 2 sags and an aries, and almost kissed the lesbian cap, but the other two aqua and gem weren't like that, it was more of an actual normalish friendship. Sun in capricorn conj. venus in cap (4H's) Venus is quintile to my moon in scorpio (2H)
Also venus conj saturn in cap
Venus quintile pluto in scorp (which conjuncts my moon)
Venus trine asc in libra
2 conj's and 2 Q for my Venus plus that trine. Moon in scorp (2H) conj pluto
Sextile mercury,saturn, neptune in cap (4H) ------------------
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posted November 21, 2011 03:59 AM
I hang out mostly with women, although most women are pretty inherently hostile toward me. At this point I figure it's got something to do with having the moon in aspect to pluto, and/or having Lilith right at the top of my chart, conjunct my chart ruler. I've pretty much come to expect that now and it doesn't really phase me anymore. IP: Logged |
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hannarama
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posted November 21, 2011 05:03 PM
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Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:
I hang out mostly with women, although most women are pretty inherently hostile toward me. At this point I figure it's got something to do with having the moon in aspect to pluto, and/or having Lilith right at the top of my chart, conjunct my chart ruler. I've pretty much come to expect that now and it doesn't really phase me anymore.
It's so discouraging to hear that. My perspective and outlook is anyone can be friends with anyone but it baffles me why people don't bother trying to find common ground with each other (not putting this on you, I mean in general). It's disgusting to me that people can't find it within themselves to be nice. Especially people of the same gender. Sure, there's disagreements but nothing is the end all. You know? Rodney King was onto something... IP: Logged |
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