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Jounia
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posted December 04, 2011 08:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jounia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by CAY_512:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jounia:
[b]Hello, I need help understanding one guy's thought process. All I ask is for you not to judge me or give any lectures, we're both adults and we know the score, what's at stake etc etc.

Ok so there is this Cappy guy at work. We're both already in serious relationships. From the day we met (5 months or so ago) it was apparent that there was serious sexual chemistry between us. I could tell he felt it, he could probably tell I felt it.
We flirted quite a lot, tension was building...we never ever exchanged any words to do with telling one another that we are attracted to each other, that we wanna sleep together etc but somehow we would end up talking about sex or taking it further, without actually saying those words, for example one time the conversation went something like, "Do you ever stay out the whole night? Would you be able to come up with an excuse at short notice" or stuff like "I need an assistant" "I'll help you" "no, if you were my assistant we'd never get any work done..." That kind of thing......
4 weeks ago we had a department dinner at a restaurant. There were lots of people around, it was really busy. He was really flirting, so I suggested we go for a walk. As soon as we got in the lift and the doors closed he GRABBED me and kissed me. It was intense. Even outside on the street we couldn't keep our hands off each other or stop kissing. When we finally did, before we went back inside, I said to him "I can't take the sexual tension between us anymore.... something more has to happen" I asked if he agreed, he said yes. I asked if we were on the same page, he said yes.

Since then, he makes any excuse to talk to me at work, he brings me up randomly in conversations with others - so much so that my other colleagues have even said that they can tell he really likes me/fancies me, his eyes light up when he sees me. He knows I'm very much interested in him, I make it very clear and I know he gets the signals (I'm trusting his Pisces moon and my Scorpio moon/Cancer sun's intuition ). He said he wants to take me for a drink, but hasn't set the date, he said he doesn't regret the kiss and that it was intended...

Whenever we get on to our 'taking-it-futher' conversations he says he's scared but when I ask of what? He just replies "Complications...." (but won't elaborate) or he'll say "Don't know...... I'm just scared...." I asked him what is going on in his head, he said I can't tell you that, I will never tell you...

BUT yet, he's so slow to make a move (I mean a proper move involving physical contact or at least steps towards that)! Nothing is happening. What is his problem????????? Please help me to understand him because I just cannot
I know he wants me (sorry if that sounds terrible!). What is he waiting for?? If you want to sleep with someone and they want to sleep with you, don't you just do it?? Oh, and he's not worried about the guilt of cheating (or so he says) because once when he said 'I'm scared, I'm afraid', I actually asked him if it was about guilt and he laughed and said no, not at all....

Sorry to rant on. Please help! I'll post his chart.

Thank you in advance



This breaks my heart. Why don't you just tell your husband that you want an open marriage?
Why hurt others? Why not be honest?[/B][/QUOTE]

Hi, you obviously haven't read the whole thread.

Guys - again - please don't come here to be all judgemental and tell me how much this disturbs you and how I'm out of order etc. I just need astrological analysis (and useful advise) Thanks.

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cooljen
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posted December 04, 2011 02:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cooljen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've also been following this thread... just because its interesting, and I'm not trying to start anything really. But I don't think CAY_512 was judging you or saying that you are out of order. He/she (sorry I don't know if you're a guy or girl) didn't even say those words. You are the only one throwing that stuff out there.

And what is the point of telling them 'gee you obviously didn't read the thread'. Stop it - you're sounding bratty when you should be happy that someone took the time to respond and give you some words of wisdom/advice/their 2 cents on YOUR issue, that you are on here asking for help about.

If anything, CAY_512 was definitely not talking about you but instead thinking of your husband and simply generally concerned that you don't hurt him in the process because regardless of what you do, sleep with this guy and not get emotionally attached (which you claim to only be after) or sleep with him and it turns into a full blown affair - your dishonesty about it will most likely hurt him (unless of course he's some guy who just doesn't care and assumes you'll go out and sleep with whoever anyway). - I don't know because I don't know your marriage - no need to jump on my case to tell me that. But its just common sense and human nature that makes me think he will definitely be hurt by that. That is all. No one called you anything, no one is judging. Stop complaining and just listen to what people are telling you and be thankful for that.

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posted December 04, 2011 02:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'd like to add that astrology is not going to keep the personal out of it, because it is personal. Astrology isn't just some cross-reference book in which X+Y=Z . I mean, some people will have you believe that, but the truth is a little deeper. If you want to discuss astrology, we would be looking at your chart in particular, your progressions and solar arcs to see what is making all this go on. As well as his. But you can't expect to keep people's feelings out of it, it's obviously triggering reactions. It's somewhat controlling to tell people how to react because you don't like it. I can completely understand not wanting to be judged, but don't you also think that's going to be kind of a given coming into a public board?

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posted December 04, 2011 03:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your moon going into his 4th and triggering his 7th house ruler (Uranus) is probably giving him a rather big jolt. I'd say your Neptune on his Mars finds him sexually fascinating, esp since he puts his sun in your 12th. But you're going to find him quite unpredictable because he's not going to give you the reaction you expect. Something about your chart tells me that you are used to getting your way more often than not, and he is going to frustrate you because you cannot pin him down.

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Jounia
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posted December 04, 2011 05:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jounia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ok. I've decided not to take this any further. Thanks to all for your help.

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posted December 04, 2011 06:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Journia.

Sorry the thread had to end this way.

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posted December 04, 2011 09:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CAY_512     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jounia I am not being hateful. My heart just goes out to the ones who may be hurt in this situation. When I say be honest it is because you have Venus in Gemini and Mars in Libra. Your natural flirt and may seek personal freedom in relationships along with curiosity for new experiences. I have a Scorpio sun, cancer moon, Venus&Mars Libra friend who just couldn't be monogamous. I think it would be an easier life just to be open or find a partner who accepts that. I don't think this world was meant for everyone to have the same defined relationships but honesty in a relationship is important whatever the terms may be.

I hope you find what your looking for but not at the expense of others.

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Jounia
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posted December 08, 2011 04:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jounia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by anongrl10:

For who feels it the most is a combination of things. Let me look at the charts again.

Yeah, his Pluto is on your Mars. Pluto is almost a synonymous to obsession in love relationships and when in close contact with a personal planet it ups the antenna of the sexual chemistry. But Mars is Mars and there is potential for power struggles.
Another indication of his being in trouble with you: both his 5th and 8th house planets are in contact with your personal planets. He has a 8th house Moon and a 5th house Sun. He seems familiar with affairs and if I didn't know he's married I would say he's a player. His reluctance is understood. Saturn in his first, he has learnt his lessons well. You are not his first "trouble", methinks. But he's in hot water judging by his personal planets in his love/sex houses all in contact with yours.


Anongrl - SPOT ON! He basically told me everything that you wrote here above. Wow you're good!!

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posted December 08, 2011 04:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anongrl10     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Jounia:
Anongrl - SPOT ON! He basically told me everything that you wrote here above. Wow you're good!!

Thanks for the feedback, Jounia.
And I'm glad you guys talked.

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posted December 08, 2011 04:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Jounia
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posted December 08, 2011 04:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jounia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ok. I've been thinking about this and I've realised a few things and have come to terms with them;
1. People are going to judge - I cannot stop that
2. Not everyone thinks the same way I do
3. It's almost impossible to properly express myself via text on the internet.

As you can probably tell, I'm very sensitive and although over the years I have learnt to hear things I don't want to hear and deal with them accordingly, I'm still after all Cancer sun, Scorpio moon. It's hard for me to read things about my marriage and it's hard for me to read comments where people are pointing out what I already know - i.e, It's not good to cheat, I'm being dishonest, risking my marriage, being unfair, etc. I guess I receive this as people seeing me as being completely oblivious to this or something and I take it as an insult especially when some of the comments about my marriage are repeated by the same posters.

But I appreciate the insight that you all have given me I really do. So thank you

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posted December 08, 2011 06:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for britterfly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
saturn on his ascendant would make him overthink what he does and be judgemental of himself, keeping him from doing something that would make him feel bad.

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posted December 24, 2011 07:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jounia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by britterfly:
saturn on his ascendant would make him overthink what he does and be judgemental of himself, keeping him from doing something that would make him feel bad.

Thanks for your comments.

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Jounia
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posted March 04, 2012 06:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jounia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm back. Two months on and I realise this was no way just about sexual attraction. I tried to deny it, I wanted it to be just about sex, but it is so much more. I'm totally, head over heels in love with this man.
@Waxlobster and @MyVirgoMask, you were totally right.

This **** is so much more powerful than me.

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posted March 04, 2012 06:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Have you checked progressions for you/him/transits for composite ?

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posted March 04, 2012 06:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jounia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No....I'm completely clueless when it comes to that type of thing. Would you be able to help me please?

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posted March 04, 2012 07:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariesdragon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well I guess this man is able to have his cake and eat it too. What ever happened to standards and self control. I honestly wouldn't ever stand for seconds but that's just me good luck with the drama.

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posted March 04, 2012 07:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Jounia:
No....I'm completely clueless when it comes to that type of thing. Would you be able to help me please?

Sure,head for astro.com,extended chart selection,and under type of chart you want choose: transit + progressions (combined) for your and his natal,and progressions for composite,(or you just post the composite and we can compare natal progressions to it ) and we'll figure out transitions on the way...

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posted March 04, 2012 07:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariesdragon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hebrews 13:4

Marriage is honorable among all, and the bed undefiled; but fornicators and adulterers God will judge.


Galatians 6:7-9
 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

 Forr he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.

a·dul·ter·y/əˈdəlt(ə rē/
Noun:
Voluntary sexual intercourse between a married person and a person who is not his or her spouse.

Adultery is illegal in some jurisdictions. The interaction between laws on adultery with those on rape has and does pose particular problems in societies that are especially sensitive to sexual relations by a married woman and men. The difference between the offenses is that adultery is voluntary, while rape is not.

Historically, adultery has been considered to be a serious offense by many cultures. Even in jurisdictions where adultery is not itself a criminal offense, it may still have legal consequences, particularly in divorce cases. For example, where there is fault-based family law, it almost always constitutes grounds for divorce, it may be a factor to consider in a property settlement, it may affect the status of children, the custody of children, etc. Moreover, adultery can result in social ostracism in some parts of the world.

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posted March 04, 2012 07:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
O_o

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posted March 04, 2012 07:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for s4nd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
Could you maybe hint at having to move across country sometime soon? lol - just a suggestion

The fear of possibly never seeing you again.. would definitely push him into making a move.
Right now, I think he really likes you - but he probably doesn't realize just how much he likes you.. 'don't know what you have until it's gone' - kind of thing..
I'm saying this because your synastry is so perfect that he might take it for granted.


haha! can u be my dating coach?

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posted March 04, 2012 07:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariesdragon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
[b]O_o[/B]

Nice face... For me I question your motive on helping somebody commit adultery by using astrology.
Something sacred and used to better life not to defile it. I hope this husband of hers gets all the material gains from the divorce that he deserves for the lies and pain he has to endure. While the cheaters get their disgusting sex on exchanging bodily fluids with whomever they deem pleases them thinking it's love.

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posted March 04, 2012 07:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And I question you using astrology regarding any matter,considering your state of mind and attitude.
Now I better understand the underlying cause for one of your previous questions, -are there any ladies out there-

If anything,you get points for using "bodily fluids" in a post

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posted March 04, 2012 07:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariesdragon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
And I question you using astrology regarding any matter,considering your state of mind and attitude.
Now I better understand the underlying cause for one of your previous questions, -are there any ladies out there-

If anything,you get points for using "bodily fluids" in a post


Gross and vile glad you like it

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posted March 04, 2012 07:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariesdragon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anyway glad you both will still be laughing having another karmic debt to repay. Peace out.

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