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Jounia
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posted November 22, 2011 03:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jounia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello, I need help understanding one guy's thought process. All I ask is for you not to judge me or give any lectures, we're both adults and we know the score, what's at stake etc etc.

Ok so there is this Cappy guy at work. We're both already in serious relationships. From the day we met (5 months or so ago) it was apparent that there was serious sexual chemistry between us. I could tell he felt it, he could probably tell I felt it.
We flirted quite a lot, tension was building...we never ever exchanged any words to do with telling one another that we are attracted to each other, that we wanna sleep together etc but somehow we would end up talking about sex or taking it further, without actually saying those words, for example one time the conversation went something like, "Do you ever stay out the whole night? Would you be able to come up with an excuse at short notice" or stuff like "I need an assistant" "I'll help you" "no, if you were my assistant we'd never get any work done..." That kind of thing......
4 weeks ago we had a department dinner at a restaurant. There were lots of people around, it was really busy. He was really flirting, so I suggested we go for a walk. As soon as we got in the lift and the doors closed he GRABBED me and kissed me. It was intense. Even outside on the street we couldn't keep our hands off each other or stop kissing. When we finally did, before we went back inside, I said to him "I can't take the sexual tension between us anymore.... something more has to happen" I asked if he agreed, he said yes. I asked if we were on the same page, he said yes.

Since then, he makes any excuse to talk to me at work, he brings me up randomly in conversations with others - so much so that my other colleagues have even said that they can tell he really likes me/fancies me, his eyes light up when he sees me. He knows I'm very much interested in him, I make it very clear and I know he gets the signals (I'm trusting his Pisces moon and my Scorpio moon/Cancer sun's intuition ). He said he wants to take me for a drink, but hasn't set the date, he said he doesn't regret the kiss and that it was intended...

Whenever we get on to our 'taking-it-futher' conversations he says he's scared but when I ask of what? He just replies "Complications...." (but won't elaborate) or he'll say "Don't know...... I'm just scared...." I asked him what is going on in his head, he said I can't tell you that, I will never tell you...

BUT yet, he's so slow to make a move (I mean a proper move involving physical contact or at least steps towards that)! Nothing is happening. What is his problem????????? Please help me to understand him because I just cannot
I know he wants me (sorry if that sounds terrible!). What is he waiting for?? If you want to sleep with someone and they want to sleep with you, don't you just do it?? Oh, and he's not worried about the guilt of cheating (or so he says) because once when he said 'I'm scared, I'm afraid', I actually asked him if it was about guilt and he laughed and said no, not at all....

Sorry to rant on. Please help! I'll post his chart.

Thank you in advance

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athenegoddess
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posted November 22, 2011 03:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Post the synastry.

And it sounds like this guy is in love with his girl.

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Jounia
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posted November 22, 2011 04:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jounia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mr Cappy's chart...

Synastry with me - He's outside....

Composite - Me and cappy

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posted November 22, 2011 04:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Saturn oppose Venus. He may yin /yang between love and coldness. is that true, Journia?

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Jounia
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posted November 22, 2011 04:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jounia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Saturn oppose Venus. He may yin /yang between love and coldness. is that true, Journia?


Almost I'd say he's never cold, but does have days where he's very 'work focused' and then days where he's doing everything in his power to interact with me the whole day

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posted November 22, 2011 05:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dysfunctionalmystic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He says "complications"

that means he's enmeshed in his relationship and doesn't really want to cheat on his partner, there could be kids involved or strong family ties but either way....he's trying to tell you he doesn't really want it to go any further. He probably gets off on the vibe that he "could" have you if he wanted to but doesn't need to take it further. He has Venus in aqua and may play it out in his mind. That Venus is also in a fixed square - he probably finds it very difficult to get all the bits he needs in one person. He is conflicted but then so are a lot of people....it's just harder to balance.

His uranus on your moon will give you a lot of excitement but he will also be unreliable towards you, he won't do this intentionally...but is your uranus also squaring his moon ?

There are some nice aspects like the nodal contacts but to be honest if it's been a month...then it's possible nothing will happen. He has got a thors hammer between saturn, jupiter and the sun too so he'll be super sensitive to criticism but have an awful lot of power to achieve whatever it is that he's after.

Because all the planets are starting to shift into sagittarius I'd say watch for what happens in the next couple of weeks when they start hitting his natal mars. If nothing happens then you might have to just let the idea of it go.

He's complicated which makes him more interesting but he's not free to do what he wants.

venus is on his mars tomorrow, the sun will be there around the 18th december. I'm thinking that he acted when mars was going through his 1st house and now it's entered his 2nd which will shift his focus onto what he values.

I reckon the problem is his fixed square, he's too conflicted and it's easier to live with the torment of not knowing what it would be really like to sleep with you....yet he still gets to hold onto the fantasy that he could if he wanted to.

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posted November 22, 2011 10:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Libreo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Perhaps he's scared of his feelings for YOU and that if he were to fall in love with you, you might reject him in favour of your current relationship???

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posted November 23, 2011 05:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mintgirl123     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I see you have reallyyy similar aspects as an ex that cheated (as in same sun, moon, mercury and venus). Either way perhaps you should break up with your bf first before you go any further? It's not fair on him at all.

Anyway, he probably doesn't want to throw away a serious relationship for a fling? His complications = gf. He can see that if he took a step towards you in the sense that he sleeps with you, there would be nothing stopping you form sleeping with him, and he probably feels that he shouldn't do that? Bc he loves his gf and he's 'scared of losing her' if he does sth too much over the line (although obv the heavy flirting and kissing was already going over the line)

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posted November 23, 2011 05:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is a chance, a small chance, that he is having some erectile dysfunction/sexual problem. Probably in his head. He might have a complex about his size as well. From the description, the spirit is willing but the flesh is too weak in certain areas. If a man already has a relationship and yet does not hesitate to go for a passionate elevator kiss, nothing can stop full fledged cheating with sex. Not in 2011. Unless it is a biological problem, or there are hidden cameras in the company network room....

Astrological Reasons:
Saturn retrograde in first, Ascendant Lord in 6th [whole signs], 6th Lord in Ascendant and Mercury in 6th. This combination has been said to play a part in impotence in traditional texts.

Saturn in Leo s close to Ascendant will have a negative affect on heart/blood flow, and this obviously will affect erections.

Also, South Node in Scorpio when Mars is in 5th and Lord of 5th Jupiter is in the same house as South Node. This might affect sexual performance.


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posted November 23, 2011 06:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Could you maybe hint at having to move across country sometime soon? lol - just a suggestion

The fear of possibly never seeing you again.. would definitely push him into making a move.
Right now, I think he really likes you - but he probably doesn't realize just how much he likes you.. 'don't know what you have until it's gone' - kind of thing..
I'm saying this because your synastry is so perfect that he might take it for granted.

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posted November 23, 2011 07:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is a rap song by Eminem called "Guilty Conscience."

I didn't know he's already in a relationship. He shouldn't have grabbed you and kissed you in the elevator/lift if he can't finish what he started. He made that mistake.

There are so many women I lust for myself. Common sense prevents my brain from cashing the emotional and perverted checks/cheques that my little brain down there writes.

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posted November 23, 2011 07:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted November 23, 2011 07:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well she isn't just any woman. They have really good synastry so I can see why they'd have a strong connection.

Anyways, I'm sure that if it's meant to be - it will be! Since you are working together, you'll be in each others lives for some time anyway.. so anything can happen.

Does 'serious relationship' mean marriage or engagement? Or are you both at bf/gf stage - with your partners?

PS. Also, I agree with the poster above who said that if you are unhappy with your partner - it's up to you to break it off.

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posted November 23, 2011 07:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Regardes,

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If he really wanted to be with you, he would do it and break up with the other person.

I do agree to this but I wouldn't impose a 5 month time-limit on him.

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Jounia
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posted November 23, 2011 07:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jounia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi guys and gals,

Thanks for your replies so far - very interesting reads

Firstly, I said don't judge

Secondly, I do not want him to leave his current relationship for me. I'm assuming he realises that as I am in a relationship too. I just want one night of passion with him....
The post from iQ - love it I don't think he'd be worried about his size though - he's pretty well equipped. He also had no problem getting an errection when we kissed You never know though, I guess. It's an interesting thought.

@Yourstruly, yes, I didn't mention before that he is in a relationship and that I am also........not proud of the fact Sorry for not telling the whole truth.....


So should I just sit and wait? Or tell him I'm fleeing the country??

Any more ideas and thoughts are more than welcome.

I really appreciate your time.

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posted November 23, 2011 08:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jounia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Betty Boop:
Does 'serious relationship' mean marriage or engagement? Or are you both at bf/gf stage - with your partners?

Marriage....... :/

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posted November 23, 2011 08:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mintgirl123     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Darn.


Poor partners.

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posted November 23, 2011 08:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mintgirl123     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:
I'm going to preface this by saying that it will not be what you want to hear, but I am not saying this to be mean-spirited. I am sincerely saying this because I simply wish to be honest.

My honest opinion is that he hesitates about getting more serious because he wants to have his cake and eat it too. He has the stability of a partner plus the "excitement" of something on the side. He's getting the best of both worlds. Leaving his partner to be with you would cut out part of that--the stability side. That is what he REALLY means by "complications".

If he really wanted to be with you, he would do it and break up with the other person.

And, remember too: if he cheats with you, he will cheat on you too, more likely than not.

Again, I am not trying to judge or be cruel, but that is how I honestly see it and that's honestly what I am picking up.


Yeah obv what he views this as is a fling. He's not going to get serious with her or anything, just wants to juggle both women.


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posted November 23, 2011 08:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well,sb who has natally Saturn on Asc can easily see any commitment he is obliged to as complication when moment of 'breaching' it comes.
And,ur partner-the Cappy Moon?

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posted November 23, 2011 10:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for waxlobster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Why are you so concerned about a man you want only one night with? This desire to analyse and read into his comments to you sounds deeper than that to me.

You've probably told him you want no more, perhaps you believe it?

Your Neptune closely conjunct his Mars speaks of fantasy and to him your demeanour is akin to that of a wood nympth; unfathomable, unreal, out of reach. I don't feel you are being sincere to one another in your interactions and this isn't a conjunction that makes the physical easy. It's wonderful for creative partnerships, I imagine the sex *would* be fantastic..IF attained {funny somebody mentioned impotence, Neptune-Mars can cause that}.

Another hurdle is the Uranus conjunction to your Moon; wonderful electric feeling you can generate between you. The push away is as frequent as the pull however. Can be balanced by strong Saturn and a free-spirited approach. You wouldn't care though; you're not seeking a relationship...the short buzz should be just fine

It's the Mars-Pluto conjunction that generates the great sexual intensity here. Of course you have many encounters with Pluto people {generation of them with Pluto conjunct your Mars} but you don't usually find them 'manly'. You respect this guy and his self-contained presence.

As an astrologer I say ~don't under-estimate the impact you and he can have upon each other. This isn't a one-night stand connection, this is an affair, this is compulsive and I'm afraid it will bring out some ego games and a propensity for risk taking unless you both make concerted effort to be honest with not only each other...but YOURSELVES!!

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posted November 23, 2011 10:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not here to judge. I just want to dissect the situation and understand the facts. I am a Capricorn and I am used to thinking logically.

You are married.

He is married.

You work together and both of you have lust for each other.

He grabbed you and kissed you. You both want a romp in the hay for one evening.

He wants, and then he doesn't want, but he nevertheless wants.

You just want, period.

Am I correct thus far?

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posted November 23, 2011 11:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for stillatlarge     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He's afraid of being fired for sexual harassment. Happens every day in even innocent situations. Duhhh...

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posted November 23, 2011 11:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by stillatlarge:
He's afraid of being fired for sexual harassment. Happens every day in even innocent situations. Duhhh...

He wouldn't have kissed her at a company function.

He wouldn't make it an explicit point to speak to her at work, especially on non-business matters.

Seems like he's also married and he is equivocating.

I pay attention to every pretty woman walking down the street. I may even want to grab their breasts and fondle them all over. I don't do that for obvious reasons.

He chose to cross that line and now he is embarrassed/feeling the guilt, but he nevertheless still wants.

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posted November 23, 2011 02:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK honey....this is how I feel most guys are when it comes to cheating. yes some guys leave their wifes for who they are cheating with but most DONT. He doesn't feel guilty about cheating but he finds that with you he surprisingly does and is stepping back as a result bc your connection is really intense so it can actually put his relationship at risk.

You get what I am saying? most guys that cheat do it but with no intention of ever leaving their wife so you are threatening this inside of him so he feels scared and is backing up. Guys tend to take commitments seriously when they make one even more so than women so them cheating is justified in their head like this is just fun and sex but with you it probably feels more than that so he is backing up.

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posted November 23, 2011 03:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jounia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok! wow you guys have been busy...... I have a lot of replying to do....

Firstly,I've added a composite chart below the other charts (not really sure if it's relevent to a fling? Thought it may help...)

Again, thanks so much for your analysis so far and for your honesty and time.

quote:
Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:

And,ur partner-the Cappy Moon?

Without this sounding as if I didn't care (because I do)- What about him??

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Originally posted by waxlobster:
Why are you so concerned about a man you want only one night with? This desire to analyse and read into his comments to you sounds deeper than that to me.

You've probably told him you want no more, perhaps you believe it?

It's the Mars-Pluto conjunction that generates the great sexual intensity here. Of course you have many encounters with Pluto people {generation of them with Pluto conjunct your Mars} but you don't usually find them 'manly'. You respect this guy and his self-contained presence.

As an astrologer I say ~don't under-estimate the impact you and he can have upon each other. This isn't a one-night stand connection, this is an affair, this is compulsive and I'm afraid it will bring out some ego games and a propensity for risk taking unless you both make concerted effort to be honest with not only each other...but YOURSELVES!!


Ok so I always analyse everything....that's where that comes from. I haven't told him that I only want a fling, because we've never had conversations like that before. That fact that I cannot work him out is what is making me more intrigued and more desperate to analyse and understand - I see it as a challenge I guess. That's all though.

You're spot on though - I do see him as manly and I do respect his self-contained presence so-to-speak. Very attractive.

What exactly do you mean this isn't a one night stand connection? What exactly do you mean by this is compulsive? Are you saying that if we did sleep together it wouldn't end there?

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