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lindisfarne
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posted November 22, 2011 09:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lindisfarne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Lately I have taken interest in synasty charts..
This aspect with my boyfriend and I, sticks out to me.
"Venus trine Pluto"
His Venus trines my Pluto, His Venus in cancer house 7 and my pluto in Scorpio in house 9.

I have a friend who studies astrology and he told me a but about this aspect. He says this is a very good aspect to have, with ease of communication and sexual mutuality. However he said he is worried about me because later on, I will become possessive with this aspect, my Pluto in Scorpio house 9. That I will have this need to possess my partner.

To be blunt, I *can* be VERY possessive over someone. It's happened once. and it was veeeeeery bad. I'm even ashamed to talk about it. It's so bad that I suppress it and numb the need to possess anyone for that matter.. I need to keep it check, it's not a matter of wanting to, it's a must, long story short I can become for a lesser word: bat sh*t crazy LOL! I'm so embarrassed of this that I need to suppress it and ignore it and avoid it and keep it locked tight, because if I ever allow it to roam I will become the partner from hell.

I don't know where the possessiveness comes from, yes I am insanely possessive of material things but I can be dangerously possessive over people specifically people I have intense feelings for. But I keep it in check because I become all the things I am afraid of

Do you guys have any Pluto energy in your chart? Strong Pluto energy? Are you guys possessive over people? Have you ever dated someone that was dangerously possessive?

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posted November 22, 2011 09:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mintgirl123     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Easy aspects aren't really possessive, if you have a hard aspect, say square or opposition in a tight orb (bc pluto moves slow) then there will be power issues. But since it's a trine, it'll just mean you guys have a good bond, won't be problematic or anything.

I have an 8th house pluto in scorpy, sun sextile pluto by a degree along with an aries rising (for fire lol) and sun conjunct mars so I can be intense emotionally. Like deep emotion wise. But I don't tend to be possessive, I am really like laid back and give the guy freedom. BUT I can be sometimes alittle jealous (inside, not outwardly) if the guy does things that are iffy.

I just don't see the point of control? Like I just think it's a waste of energy to grasp onto somebody and like control them. Well that was me in the past. Might be alittle different now that I have mad trust issues.

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posted November 22, 2011 09:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for scrappydog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The trine is nothing like the conjunction or square, it is positive to have but just not that strong. However you obviously tend to be like that on your own, thats ok, I can be like that too and I hate it in myself. If you are feeling like that with this guy stronger than usual it may be other aspects and the trine is strengthening it. Let me take a better look and come back in a few.

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posted November 22, 2011 09:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for scrappydog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
With all the urainan action here, especially uranus-asc, uranus-nodes, uranus-venus, this realtionship is probably either not going to be long lasting or it will be very disrupted or sporadic at best. Sometimes these things can strat out as love and turn into hate or ambivalance.

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posted November 22, 2011 09:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lindisfarne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mintgirl123:
Easy aspects aren't really possessive, if you have a hard aspect, say square or opposition in a tight orb (bc pluto moves slow) then there will be power issues. But since it's a trine, it'll just mean you guys have a good bond, won't be problematic or anything.

I have an 8th house pluto in scorpy, sun sextile pluto by a degree along with an aries rising (for fire lol) and sun conjunct mars so I can be intense emotionally. Like deep emotion wise. But I don't tend to be possessive, I am really like laid back and give the guy freedom. BUT I can be sometimes alittle jealous (inside, not outwardly) if the guy does things that are iffy.

I just don't see the point of control? Like I just think it's a waste of energy to grasp onto somebody and like control them. Well that was me in the past. Might be alittle different now that I have mad trust issues.


What about quincunxes?

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posted November 22, 2011 09:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mintgirl123     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Probably would only have effect if it was like within a degree, cos it's not a major aspect like the big five.

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posted November 22, 2011 09:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The power struggle is her Sun/Mercury sq his pluto..

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posted November 22, 2011 09:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for scrappydog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lioness, I 2nd that!

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posted November 22, 2011 10:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lindisfarne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Lioness
what does that mean?

Also he has scorpio Pluto house 9 like me we both have water Venus so this aspect can go both ways...
he can be possessive (in his words territorial) and when I don't give him the response he his looking for emotionally/romantically he will take it to a whole new level and kind of scare me.. the intensity scares me/throws me off a bit. Kind of like he mirrors what I wish to project myself...

I do think I am capable of being possessive with him, it happened last night but I caught myself lol! He's more possessive than I am at least he expresses it. anything that shows this in our synastry? Like an extremeness of territorial behavior, deeply hating to be rejected, takes any of my responses/reactions that he doesn't expect ad a rejection? Anything in there?

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posted November 22, 2011 10:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lindisfarne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by scrappydog:
With all the urainan action here, especially uranus-asc, uranus-nodes, uranus-venus, this realtionship is probably either not going to be long lasting or it will be very disrupted or sporadic at best. Sometimes these things can strat out as love and turn into hate or ambivalance.

Uranus Venus? none of us have Aquarius Venus?
I'm confused, what does Uranus have to do with anything? Do you mind clarifying?

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posted November 22, 2011 10:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lindisfarne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@mintgirl
so are you a controlling/possessive lover?

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posted November 22, 2011 10:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lindisfarne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
also if Pluto keeps digging and digging tryin to find any psychological information on Venus? I do feel as if my boyfriend is Pluto in this and I am Venus, momentarily.
He has this tendencies to be scarily intense and I don't think he even knows it. Like he will do whatever he can to find any psychological information about me, he will dig and dig and until he finds out whatever he wants to know about me. it's almost as if at times he does this digging stuff so he can kind of idk force me to express my affections on the same level he does? That's just how I feel/take it. It doesn't bother me because I'm proud of anyone that can push me to express intense emotions but it's just something i noticed - Pluto won't stop pushing/diggin until he feels I am able to express/love on the same level he does since he doesn't like rejection not one bit!

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posted November 22, 2011 10:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by lindisfarne:
also if Pluto keeps digging and digging tryin to find any psychological information on Venus? I do feel as if my boyfriend is Pluto in this and I am Venus, momentarily.
He has this tendencies to be scarily intense and I don't think he even knows it. Like he will do whatever he can to find any psychological information about me, he will dig and dig and until he finds out whatever he wants to know about me. it's almost as if at times he does this digging stuff so he can kind of idk force me to express my affections on the same level he does? That's just how I feel/take it. It doesn't bother me because I'm proud of anyone that can push me to express intense emotions but it's just something i noticed - Pluto won't stop pushing/diggin until he feels I am able to express/love on the same level he does since he doesn't like rejection not one bit!

Nope.. Thats his Mars in your 12th... LOL

Mars in a partner's twelfth house:

When your Mars is in your romantic partner’s twelfth house, you enjoy your time alone together. You partner will share his or her innermost feelings with you and feels less inhibited in your company. When your relationship partner’s Mars is in your twelfth house, you can become angry with the way your partner pressures you to reveal very intimate details of your life experience, yet you tend to comply because you feel physically and emotionally bonded to your partner beyond all others.


Sun square Pluto:
What does it mean in a relationship when your natal Sun is square your partner’s Pluto? A Sun square Pluto aspect can bring challenging insights. You and your romantic partner are likely to have a profound effect upon one another and you will experience romantic life on a whole new spiritual level. If your partner’s Sun is square your Pluto, you may find yourself giving up everything you thought you had in order to begin your relationship, likely to be the most intense partnership you have known.

http://www.skyviewzone.com/lovematch/sunsynastryaspects.htm#sussqr

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posted November 22, 2011 10:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lindisfarne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lioness you you mentioned
my sun/merc squares his Pluto

what does this mean? :P

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posted November 22, 2011 10:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok give me a few..I have to eat before I chew on my own arm

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posted November 22, 2011 10:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lindisfarne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOL sorry!! Take all the time girl!

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posted November 22, 2011 10:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mintgirl123     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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@mintgirl
so are you a controlling/possessive lover?

No not at all. I'm give guys too much freedom.
After being cheated on, and the guy still kept on cheating this was my response. " I'm not going to tell you to stop contacting her, cos I don't want to control you and tell you what not to do. Do what you feel is right.'

I'm the type that was actually cool with my bf hanging out with girls one on one.
Um now, I'd feel more uneasy cos I got severe trust issues lol.

I've alot of libra so I'm not really the needy possessive type. And uranus is really prominent in my chart so yeah, I like freedom too.

I think I have a pattern of getting with intense possessive, guys with anger issues -_- and problems with being honest.

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posted November 22, 2011 10:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok Ill try to explain it..

First you have to understand Pluto.... Pluto intensifies what ever you are feeling.. It doesnt make you feel, it just increase what you feel to a deeper level..

Pluto is also about power, and transformation.

Pluto wants the planet to change to his way.. Pluto will use power and force, if need be..

His pluto sq your sun.. Your sun is your ego and your "wants"

So you may feel like your ego is being challenged.. (like if he's forcing you to change) so you fight it, with all your might, cuz you dont want to change....You dont want pluto messing with you ego

Now when all this is said and done, and you look back, you WILL say that person changed you... Sometimes good , sometimes bad... Cant really say.. Either way you will some how change..

Now what scrappydog meant by Uranian energy. Is all the hard aspects between you two and Uranus..
Uranus makes things exciting.. but very unstable... Once the excitement dies down, "uranus" is no longer happy..
With a lot of hard Uranus aspects relationships just suddenly end, just from one day to another.. In a flash so to speak..
It could also make things off and on..
Basically its unstable.. You just never know whats going to happen..

I cant help but notice your age, and I do want to add some info...
When we are young, we have these deep and intense relationship, its for our own spiritual growth, and its something meant to be to guide us along out path...

You have Chiron in H7 so Im wondering if your relationships with other people will some how cause you wounds..
BUT when you get older, the same wounds would be healed by your relationships..

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posted November 22, 2011 11:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lindisfarne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lioness:
Ok Ill try to explain it..

First you have to understand Pluto.... Pluto intensifies what ever you are feeling.. It doesnt make you feel, it just increase what you feel to a deeper level..

Pluto is also about power, and transformation.

Pluto wants the planet to change to his way.. Pluto will use power and force, if need be..

His pluto sq your sun.. Your sun is your ego and your "wants"

So you may feel like your ego is being challenged.. (like if he's forcing you to change) so you fight it, with all your might, cuz you dont want to change....You dont want pluto messing with you ego

Now when all this is said and done, and you look back, you WILL say that person changed you... Sometimes good , sometimes bad... Cant really say.. Either way you will some how change..

Now what scrappydog meant by Uranian energy. Is all the hard aspects between you two and Uranus..
Uranus makes things exciting.. but very unstable... Once the excitement dies down, "uranus" is no longer happy..
With a lot of hard Uranus aspects relationships just suddenly end, just from one day to another.. In a flash so to speak..
It could also make things off and on..
Basically its unstable.. You just never know whats going to happen..

I cant help but notice your age, and I do want to add some info...
When we are young, we have these deep and intense relationship, its for our own spiritual growth, and its something meant to be to guide us along out path...

You have Chiron in H7 so Im wondering if your relationships with other people will some how cause you wounds..
BUT when you get older, the same wounds would be healed by your relationships..


My relationships with people in the past have reinforced wounds, past relationships, yes. Present? not so much. Despite my age I've learned a lot. A loottttttt about my self in regards to relationships especially.

I've been in.. one deep intense relationship lasted two years, that taught me A LOT, wounded me sure. But I learned a lot and I honestly think of it as a Blessing to have had that person in my life even if the relationship was very abusive, it taught me alot. it's weird I had this discussion with my therapist today - I don't have/can't express feel intense attractions towards my current lover, in comparison to other lovers I've had. Idk I'm rambling but yes I've been in an intense relationship..very intense I'm getting goosebumps just thinking about it!

But where does he Uranus energy come from. Is that my Aquarius energy? You are right about he sun/Pluto part, but then again It happens with almost everyone, I don't like to have my ego/opinions challenged lol!

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posted November 22, 2011 11:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Uranus is a planet.. Thats the energy it gives off..
All planets have their own energy..

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posted November 23, 2011 12:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for appleberry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's interesting... I think the Possessive thing kicks in more in Synastry or in a Composite than just with my Natal chart.

The only things I seem to have in Scorpio are Isis and Osiris... well... that might be telling, not sure.

Scorpio rules my 2nd house. Pluto is in my 1st, conjunct my Libra AC by 1 degree and opposes my DC & Sun by only one degree for each as well.

But what I see about me is that with some partners I am more possessive and jealous than with others, not by a little, by a lot... I sense that it is the synastry or composite but I am not sure what it is...


And someone mentioned Chiron in the 7th... my wounds are most definitely from relationships. But also, I have been told I am now becoming a good adviser for others, given that it is conjunct my Moon and Cancer rules my 10th.
Would you disagree with that interpretation?

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posted November 23, 2011 12:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for appleberry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
But, I've heard another thing to look at regarding possessiveness in a relationship is Juno.

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posted November 23, 2011 12:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mintgirl123     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ how come?
But makes sense, I have juno square uranus by a degree lol. No wonder I'm not possessive.

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posted November 23, 2011 07:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for malicefey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My bf is a scorpio sun, so I guess possessiveness is a part of him. However, he doesn't like to show the possessiveness unless he feels threatened. He has a big problem when I'm in trouble and anyone OTHER than him helping out will probably feel some nasty remark or stinging comment from him.

He likes say "My Anita" all the time, subconsciously, whatever it is, it just rolls off his tongue.

He doesn't want to be overwhelmingly possessive and jealous..he tries very hard to control that, as he is afraid he'll lose me. He is getting clingy but denies the fact that he is and tries not to be clingy. He doesn't like me going out late but doesnt directly control me not to go out, but I did anyways, to a party. The outcome of that was silence for about 2 hours before I left and 2 text messages from him asking if I was okay about 3 hours into the party. Hint: get the hell home.

The next day he'll make a comment about how I was out till 3am at a party. When I asked him if he didn't want me to go originally he said yes, and that he doesn't like me going out late.

He tries to control possessiveness to the max..but he finds other ways to let me know. If I was any more brain dead and not read-between-his-lines this relationship would've ended a long time ago.

He has pluto conj sun conj saturn natally..heavy aspects indeed PLUS his pluto sits right on my ascendant and closely to my venus.

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posted November 23, 2011 03:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lindisfarne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can anyone tell me more about the aspects we have?
I have no idea how to read my chart and figure out all the aspects

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