posted November 23, 2011 12:45 PM            

Do you find them to be people pleasers to the Nth degree, or pretty selfish?

I see the selfish side to water signs but it doesn't deter me from being their friends. For me, an Aries with absolutely no water in her chart (except Pluto) I find them to be very comforting and nurturing. I wish they understood they don't always have to 'nurture' me though, that they can just relax. Water signs want to relax, don't they?! I'd be exhausted and cranky if I nurtured people all day... but that leads me to another thought!

Would water signs be exhausted being a Fire sign for a day?

posted November 23, 2011 03:24 PM            

edit: she is also very nurturing

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I once saw a sign that said "sin is death" but if "all deaths are suicide (linda goodman)" and suicide is sin, then shouldnt "death is sin" be more appropriate?

posted November 23, 2011 03:35 PM            

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What we deem as being childish. Being proud and arrogant, throwing a temper tantrum, refusing to admit you're wrong, acting holier than thou, being self-centered and ignoring a friend's hurt feelings over your behavior, [b]being overly defensive and saying "you don't care" when you really do

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posted November 23, 2011 03:36 PM            

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Originally posted by NickiG:
i'm a scorpio with 3 other planets in water signs....my sister is an aries with a maximum of 2 water planets (including pluto) and she does exhaust me...no, more than that, she irritates the living bejesus out of me...but i still love her...i could never be friends with her though

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posted November 23, 2011 03:39 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
What's her other water sign in, and what bugs you about her (aside from sibling rivalry?)

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her other placement is saturn in scorpio, exactly conjunct my sun in her 12th....that should explain EVERYTHING, lol

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I once saw a sign that said "sin is death" but if "all deaths are suicide (linda goodman)" and suicide is sin, then shouldnt "death is sin" be more appropriate?

posted November 23, 2011 03:40 PM            

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The way a Mercury in Aries sees it is "Well, why didn't you just tell me?" which is interesting because water signs often won't, and I don't understand why.

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you know, i honestly dont know why we do that

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I once saw a sign that said "sin is death" but if "all deaths are suicide (linda goodman)" and suicide is sin, then shouldnt "death is sin" be more appropriate?

posted November 23, 2011 05:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Fondue Knight:
It's funny, because I'm totally water/earth. Sun, Merc and Mars in Cancer, Moon in Virgo, Venus in Taurus. It annoys the **** out of me when people won't be direct about things. My Mercury in Cancer can sense that something's wrong very easily, but what gets me is when I know something's wrong, and they know I know something's wrong, but they won't talk about it. I get really impatient about it. Maybe it's my Sun conjunct Mars...

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HAHA! Thank you for describing Mercury in Cancer that way... there's a guy I'm interested in and I can't seem to figure him out. He has the same placements as you (Sun and Merc in Cancer, but Venus in Cancer as well.) He seemed to like me when I saw him in person but he hasn't tried contacting me too much... or maybe my Ariesness is just impatient.

posted November 23, 2011 05:56 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
HAHA! Thank you for describing Mercury in Cancer that way... there's a guy I'm interested in and I can't seem to figure him out. He has the same placements as you (Sun and Merc in Cancer, but Venus in Cancer as well.) He seemed to like me when I saw him in person but he hasn't tried contacting me too much... or maybe my Ariesness is just impatient.

I also didn't know water signs LIKED directness considering they're pretty indirect themselves. Should I ask him what his deal is then, or hang out with him once more before I go for the juggular?

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posted November 23, 2011 07:15 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
What do Fire signs do that would exhaust water signs?

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My mom has a lot of fire. The thing she does that really deflates my watery self is she just doesn't hear me when I talk. I don't expect to be the queen of the conversation at all times or anything, but sometimes she just blows past anything I want to talk about. I feel like I have to grab her shoulders and yell "I AM TRYING TO TELL YOU SOMETHING IMPORTANT" if I am attempting to communicate anything I actually care about.

Also, sometimes she will ask my opinion on something and then proceed as if I never said anything. Like "Where do you want to go to eat, X or Y?" If I say "I feel like X" sometimes it's like it goes in one ear and out the other, and she'll say to everybody else "Doesn't Y sound like a great idea?" Like... if you wanted Y all along, that's fine, but don't insult me by asking when you don't actually care.

Then she complains that I keep too much to myself and I don't communicate enough...

posted November 24, 2011 12:36 AM            

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Originally posted by Fondue Knight:
I think my Mars conj Sun gives me some fire-ness as far as the impatience goes. I'm a Sag rising as well. Generally water signs hate confrontation. I hate confrontation as far as arguments but I prefer directness as opposed to beating around the bush. What's his Mars sign? Water signs are generally more-so inclined to not be the active pursuers in relationships and dating. I never make the first move when I like someone.

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posted November 24, 2011 12:40 AM            

"Would water signs be exhausted being a Fire sign for a day?"
---lol. No, don't think so..if they were a Fire sign, they would be doing things that Fire likes to keep happy.

posted November 24, 2011 12:47 AM            

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you know, i honestly dont know why we do that

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posted November 24, 2011 02:02 AM            

Water ASC
Water Venus
Water Mars
Water Pluto (makes aspects to my sun and asc)

everything else is in FIRE except my Earth sun & neptune.

posted November 25, 2011 08:37 AM            

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Originally posted by frankie2912:
I have a lot of water and fire in my chart..

Water ASC
Water Venus
Water Mars
Water Pluto (makes aspects to my sun and asc)

everything else is in FIRE except my Earth sun & neptune.

so i feel very "watery"...i think i exhaust Air people and really Earthy people. mostly the really Earthy people have a problem with me because I tend to be emotionally volatile and intense. they never really know how to react other than telling me to calm down , even when im not upset, just going on about stuff.

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This is interesting because it made me think of another question. I have this problem with my Scorpio best friend as in I never know what she wants me to tell her. She has a Capricorn moon, yes, but she's also got Scorp ASC, Scorpio Sun, Scorpio Merc and Scorpio Venus. Needless to say her feelings get hurt very easily, things are taken personally when they shouldn't be and she's stubborn in her emotional responses. I'm an Aries and not only that but I react the way my mom reacts to me which is to counter the negativity with a positive response, however I never feel like this does anything to help. I sense she knows the positivity in the situation but that isn't enough to make her relax. And she hates being told to calm down.

posted November 25, 2011 08:39 AM            

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iv noticed some people who are cancer/ pisces influenced seem to help other more than help themselves.

i'm water dominant but in scorpio. 2nd is earth in taurus. i can be exhausted by fire if they make useless trips that are a waste of time like window shopping. hate it lol!

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posted November 25, 2011 09:06 AM            

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Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:
I am an air sign sun and Mercury, but I have four water placements: Venus (Scorpio, 12th), Pluto (Scorpio, 12th), Jupiter (Pisces, 4th), Moon (Cancer, 8th).

Something that frustrates me that fire sign suns with water or earth Mercuries tend to do is not to communicate. I really am trying hard to consider what some said in the Mercury thread that I posted awhile ago. However, I have no clue as to whether or not what they said is true for the people with whom I am struggling and getting the truth from them seems highly unlikely even if I were to ask directly; I get the impression that they are just "being nice" a lot of the time so I have no clue what they REALLY think.

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First of all, a Fire sign sun with an earth mercury is BORING for me. Mercury in Taurus to be specific I find I always get so impatient and bored with. They're very nice? But there's a delay in connecting the dots and I can't handle it in long doses. And water Mercuries.... I can't even begin to start. First, my mom has Mercury in Pisces and is constantly telling ME, ME... a Mercury ARIES, that I need to work on my communication. It's ridiculous. Second, most of the Leos I know have Mercury in Cancer and they're easier to talk to than Merc in Pisces, but slower to open up. Okay... moving on. I know one person with Mercury in Scorpio and I think the only reason we have a good rapport is 'cause we're girls and girls like gabbing. I wonder if it's the reason everyone always accuses her of lying or being secretive. She gives off that vibe but most of the time I think she's misunderstood.

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It also drives me crazy when I pour a lot of energy into a relationship (Venus in Scorpio, Libra sun, Cancer moon, HELLO, I care a lot!) and the other person never reciprocates or cares. In all honesty, I've literally said to myself recently, "WHY do I even bother?". That was a major turning point for me.

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Yeah, I think that would drive anyone crazy.

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Consistent communication is what makes me feel secure and is what makes me feel like connection and trust are established. When I feel secure, I can and do back off and feel less anxious. I know then that the person WILL come back at some point, so I don't worry when they go "out to sea" for awhile, so to speak. It frustrates me that people don't realize that if they would just give me a little of what I need, consistently, they would get a lot of what they want. I've tried giving silence, but I don't get communication, so it doesn't work in the reverse.

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I have Gem ASC, Mars in Gem, and Jupiter in Gem... strangely enough I don't find Geminis funny a lot of the time but that's not the point lol. I'm the same way, so I wonder if it has to do with your Libra sun? Maybe it's all three though 'cause my Cancer moon friend ALWAYS wants to call and talk and sometimes (okay everytime as of lately) I just don't feel like it. He only talks about himself and how he feels and how this situation made him feel, and that's boring to me. His problems are also really simply, so that could be it too. But yes, I suppose Cancer mooners are also communicators.

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I definitely say "I don't care" when I really do care, but it is OBVIOUS from my tone of voice and is clearly implied. It's a way of softening the blow, as is my use of the phrase "you're under no obligation"

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I think that's still subjective. Everyone thinks differently not just from their signs but their environment too, so it could be implied to you and you think it's obvious but they have no idea. My Scorpio friend says "I don't care" a lot, and I found I have to keep asking over and over to find out what she really wants. It's very frustrating 'cause I'm like "Then why say 'I don't care' when you obviously want something?!" And it's because it's a test.

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Now, I by no means expect every single person to communicate with me or spend time with me 24/7. People have lives; I have a life too. When I make an invitation, it's something simple, like coffee or lunch once every few weeks or months--not every weekend. That's not demanding at all by any stretch of the imagination. I don't expect people to drop everything for me or anything. What I do expect, though, is that if someone genuinely likes me, they will ACT like it and will be consistent. I shouldn't just exist when it's convenient.

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You're very detailed... I could see how a fire sign or an earth sign might feel smothered or something by you (please don't take offense - I'm just analyzing)

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Inconsistency, to this Venus in Scorpio, is a sign of insincerity. I'm distrusting enough as it is; give me a reason (such as insincerity) to be suspicious and yeah, it gets ugly. I try to be considerate, to give space (while still showing that I like a person/want to be on good terms and get to know him/her), to be kind, to be grateful, to be gracious. Why is this never good enough for them?

I tend to get along great with Leo girls; I don't have this problem with them. They're the exception to this. It's mainly those non-Leo women and pretty much any fire sign man who have earth and water Mercury signs that are problematic for me.

So, what gives, fire signs?

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Libras for some weird reason tend to do GREAT with Leos in general. I still haven't cracked that code yet but I think it's something to do with them having a lot of "Scorpio" personality, and Leos being a Cancer in Vedic astrology hence they match up in the middle.

My mom is an Aries with Mercury in Pisces and she exhausts me easily because she is so emotional. And by emotional I don't mean crying or enthusiastic but everything is a big deal, and a moral dilemma and a character issue and she has to air her grievances to the Nth degree before she feels better and like she accomplished something, and it's a big dramatic production. Yeah - I have a problem with that. She cares about EVERYTHING. I see both the good and the bad in that but I'm like "Jesus Christo woman, take a Valium or two...or something." She worries, she's indecisive... UGH SO EXHAUSTING!

Why is that never good enough for fire signs.... hmmm. My guess is because MANY fire signs (myself excluded, I don't really relate to the mad dash Aries hype, or if you do find me Arian I'm "highly evolved" for one) are independent. They rely on themselves by nature. I also think we have a problem projecting (I don't know if other signs do this but fire ones def. do) so we only recognize similar behavior. Also I think they don't believe anything that isn't forced on them, aggressive, or slow to develop...which is where their problem with water signs might come in. Water signs are about senses, Fire signs are about instincts. Instincts react faster than your senses 'cause you're not processing and absorbing your surroundings, you're DOING. So... it isn't that it's not good enough for them, it's just different and they'll need to be a higher evolved Fire sign to "get it". They could also see your manners as being fake, or as a weakness which will lower their respect for you. We're all "ego", and self-absorbed (Yes, I know not ALL fire signs are. Ugh. Annoying I have to say that as a disclaimer every time...) so we see you as an extension of ourselves. Therefore we only want to see what we feel is equal to ourselves.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by NickiG:
[b] you know, i honestly dont know why we do that

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