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Topic: What signs/placements do you find to be very concerned about 'class'.
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KingTaurus2104
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posted November 23, 2011 07:55 PM
  
By class I mean the class system so, 'working class' and 'middle class'. 'Upper class' isn't really relevant to the majority of society these days so I'm excluding it.The question is what signs and placements do you find to be very caught up about what 'class' people see them as, etc... For example Capricorns are said the be very concerned about their 'status', all to often I've read things on how they don't want certain information about themselves to be revealed as it might 'damage' people's views on them and consequently their 'status' in society. I've found that it's common in Taurus, Leo, Libra, Scorpio and Capricorn to want to be see as middle class. Personally I don't believe it matters what so ever what your class is in society...I just want to gather information from everyone via their thoughts and opinions. Your contribution would be gratefully appreciated. IP: Logged |
mintgirl123
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posted November 23, 2011 07:57 PM
More venus signs right?Venus in Taurus, Cap, libra, leo. People who have their sun, venus in the 2nd house, or are 2nd house heavy.
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BelligerentPygmy
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posted November 23, 2011 08:22 PM
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Originally posted by KingTaurus2104:
By class I mean the class system so, 'working class' and 'middle class'. 'Upper class' isn't really relevant to the majority of society these days so I'm excluding it.The question is what signs and placements do you find to be very caught up about what 'class' people see them as, etc... For example Capricorns are said the be very concerned about their 'status', all to often I've read things on how they don't want certain information about themselves to be revealed as it might 'damage' people's views on them and consequently their 'status' in society. I've found that it's common in Taurus, Leo, Libra, Scorpio and Capricorn to want to be see as middle class. Personally I don't believe it matters what so ever what your class is in society...I just want to gather information from everyone via their thoughts and opinions. Your contribution would be gratefully appreciated.
I think that's largely a Capricornian-Saturnian thing - caring alot how other people see them, as well as being preoccupied with the financial status of the people around them. Uranian/Aquarian people would be more the opposite and pretty much see everyone as equals.
I think with SOME Leos that type of thing would manifest, but largely directed towards themselves, caring alot how other people see them, class-wise, not wanting other people to think they're poor, because of a pride thing. Before anyone jumps on me, notice I said SOME, not all. I'm not stereotyping the entire sign. I'm a Leo and I'm not that way myself either, so there you go. IP: Logged |
maira
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posted November 23, 2011 08:25 PM
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Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:
I think with SOME Leos that type of thing would manifest, but largely directed towards themselves, caring alot how other people see them, class-wise, not wanting other people to think they're poor, because of a pride thing. Before anyone jumps on me, notice I said SOME, not all. I'm not stereotyping the entire sign. I'm a Leo and I'm not that way myself either, so there you go.
I have some Leo friends, mainly females and they want to be upper class, definitely. As in limousine drivers - army of house cleaners - fur coats class. If not so well off, they are however very good at making the most of what they have, keeping a house perfectly clean and indulging in the very best products their budget can afford. IP: Logged |
lindisfarne
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posted November 23, 2011 08:26 PM
Capricorn to the max, Taurus comes second and Libra.IP: Logged |
SpooL
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posted November 23, 2011 08:33 PM
Cancer.Especially the males, not that they mean it. Its just a way for them to feel accepted and a member of the group. They have there own worries. Believe me cancer males can brag and show off. IP: Logged |
downtomars
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posted November 23, 2011 08:37 PM
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Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:
I think that's largely a Capricornian-Saturnian thing - caring alot how other people see them, as well as being preoccupied with the financial status of the people around them. Uranian/Aquarian people would be more the opposite and pretty much see everyone as equals. I think with SOME Leos that type of thing would manifest, but largely directed towards themselves, caring alot how other people see them, class-wise, not wanting other people to think they're poor, because of a pride thing. Before anyone jumps on me, notice I said SOME, not all. I'm not stereotyping the entire sign. I'm a Leo and I'm not that way myself either, so there you go.
I agree. I am a Leo also and Leo is about "ego" and one's standing in the world contributes to that. I actually like my own story though with the up-down-up angle though. I like a "come from behind" life with struggles and "bootstraps" better than one that is pure privilege from the start. It is something to be proud of (also a Leo thing). I suppose if I was stuck down for some reason I would not talk about it and I would try like he!l to change my situation because it would just not be me, regal, princess me (taking action to make life better, pure Leo woman!)... Libra would probably care about class too. Not only about money, mostly about decorum. No rough edges for them... Sorry if this doesn't make sense. I'm tired and my Mercury is natally retrograde anyway... IP: Logged |
enchantress
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posted November 23, 2011 08:38 PM
leos. I'm not saying all leos because i have a good friend of mine that doesn't act like a leo at all. However, i just noticed that most leo i know tend to care more on how people see them in the society, my dad is one for example. I never get along with him and never would want to! he acts and talk to others as if he's very rich, he always want to be the center of attention, he wants to be constantly praised and always want people to envy him (i.e. "Oh, look at my new car! do you know how much it cost me? it's very expensive but not really..") and he always think he's right, he's so stubborn and won't listen to other's opinion aside from his own. it's just frustrating!! me, as a virgo, find him as a "show-off" but that's just me  IP: Logged |
downtomars
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posted November 23, 2011 08:39 PM
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Originally posted by maira:
I have some Leo friends, mainly females and they want to be upper class, definitely. As in limousine drivers - army of house cleaners - fur coats class. If not so well off, they are however very good at making the most of what they have, keeping a house perfectly clean and indulging in the very best products their budget can afford.
This reminds me of something that, I think Linda Goodman wrote (again, I'm tired)..."Even the poorest of leo women will have rings on their fingers and bells on their toes"... IP: Logged |
YoursTrulyAlways
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posted November 23, 2011 08:56 PM
Those "class" definitions come out of Marxism, and so I have no affection for those delineations.I'm a full blown Capricorn and I couldn't care less what anyone outside of my family and loved ones thinks of me. I live to achieve and succeed to provide for my loved ones. That's all. If I were to want to ride in a Rolls Royce, I would do it for my own sake, and not for the sake of trying to impress others. IP: Logged |
heartstrings
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posted November 23, 2011 08:58 PM
i want to look presentable to everyone and also like to wear nice clothes and stuff. I don't like wearing fake jewelries. I'd rather be not wearing any jewelries than wearing a fake one. I keep things practical and only buy clothes when necessary or if i can pair them with my other clothes and still look alright. I care about how I look but not so much about my status. I just want to be in the middle so that it would be easier for me to relate with others and therfore gain more friends.i have libra rising in first house and sag moon in the second which i guess makes me behave the way i behave hehehe IP: Logged |
Betty Boop
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posted November 23, 2011 09:04 PM
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I'm a full blown Capricorn and I couldn't care less what anyone outside of my family and loved ones thinks of me.I live to achieve and succeed to provide for my loved ones. That's all. If I were to want to ride in a Rolls Royce, I would do it for my own sake, and not for the sake of trying to impress others.
Yeah - that sounds more like the Capricorns I know... I see them as a no-nonsense kind of sign. 'Showing off' is one of those things they would see as nonsense. IP: Logged |
enchantress
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posted November 23, 2011 09:05 PM
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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
If I were to want to ride in a Rolls Royce, I would do it for my own sake, and not for the sake of trying to impress others.
totally agree with you YoursTrulyAlways IP: Logged |
downtomars
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posted November 23, 2011 09:30 PM
Capricorn likes a sense of accomplishment and they want the best because it is “quality” (their favorite word) not because it is "showy". However those quality items are still symbols of status. Hard work too, definitely, but still status. I am a big Cap fan but we cannot deny that Capricorn rules the house of “public reputation and worldly status”. ETA: Plus, this can all take place on different levels. We automatically take it to the “Rolls Royce” extreme but it is not always like that. Once again I will use my childhood and one of the the most Capricorniest people I know as an example – my mother (Cap-Sag-Cap, Sun-Saturn conj in Cap in the 1st conj AC). After my parents divorced my mother was on her own for the first time with 2 kids, one with a developmental disability, had only child support money (mandated) and no real work skills (meaning the kind that pays $$$). What my mother could have easily done is find the nearest housing project and decide to live it up! The child support could cover rent/bills, she could have gotten a crappy part time job and she could have had all of us decked out in all of the latest styles, just to “look good”(appearances) and all the while “living bad” (low class). That was not my mother. That just was not how she grew up (she grew up in Northern NY, small town, farm community) and she would not have her kids grow up “poor” either. So instead she got a certificate that enabled her to work a thankless job that paid fairly well and she used all of the child support to pay rent/bills at the only tiny apartment complex right on the edge of an upper-middle class neighborhood. That way, I would be in a great school district and get a quality education and my brother would get better-than-basic care. I didn’t have the clothes that the other kids were wearing, but my clothes were basic (no brands) and clean (and ironed, my mom was very into starch and press) and I couldn’t join ski club but I got a great education! Plus she always looked amazing, no one would knew anything about the “barely scraping by” situation. So did she care about status and social class? Heck yeah! Was it totally negative and obvious? No!
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Lonake
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posted November 24, 2011 01:19 AM
I've seen Capricorns sensitive about not wanting to be seen as coming from a privileged background, cos they don't want to be seen as a highbrow/posh sort of person. Oh sure they want to be seen as accomplished, but they'd rather have struggled for their success rather than being born into a wealthy caste.
Capricorn IS ambitious, but they like to keep in touch with those that could be seen as lower economic class, they like to keep it real as the saying goes. Capricorn knows that reality is not 'everyone with a million bucks.' They know that admirable success (*not* the Paris Hilton kind) is hard work and their HEARTS are with those who STRUGGLE to make their own way and climb their own mountain for their piece of the pie.I don't have one bit of concern for what astrology books say, I know this from experience. "The question is what signs and placements do you find to be very caught up about what 'class' people see them as, etc..."
---I can only think of Leo, maybe Sun conj Asc. Leo is pretty sensitive to how they are seen and they like luxuries. Sun conj Asc puts the energy of the Sun into overdrive. IP: Logged |
Libreo
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posted November 24, 2011 01:30 AM
My parents are - mother, Leo sun Sag moon - father, Vigo sun, Cap moon. (I know right? How'd that one happen?) Very concerned with how they appear to outsiders.IP: Logged |
enchantress
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posted November 24, 2011 02:19 AM
hahaha my dad's a leo, my mum's a virgo xD and yes, they are very concerned about their status! they just not show it even if everything's going fine, they still secretly want to be on top..i can tell because i'm their daughter and they think that giving me things that are fancy and branded will make me happy but na-ah, it will only give others an impression of me being a spoilt brat, and i hate it! so i told them on my 18th birthday, i'll only have a dinner party with my very close friends..No big posh party or anything xD, meh.. i hate it when they waste their money just to show that they have a deep pocket cos sometimes, it's not really the case -.-IP: Logged |
Libreo
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posted November 24, 2011 02:30 AM
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RegardesPlatero
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posted November 24, 2011 04:12 AM
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Betty Boop
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posted November 24, 2011 04:29 AM
Hi Lonake  quote:
I've seen Capricorns sensitive about not wanting to be seen as coming from a privileged background, cos they don't want to be seen as a highbrow/posh sort of person. Oh sure they want to be seen as accomplished, but they'd rather have struggled for their success rather than being born into a wealthy caste.
Capricorn IS ambitious, but they like to keep in touch with those that could be seen as lower economic class, they like to keep it real as the saying goes. Capricorn knows that reality is not 'everyone with a million bucks.' They know that admirable success (*not* the Paris Hilton kind) is hard work and their HEARTS are with those who STRUGGLE to make their own way and climb their own mountain for their piece of the pie.
I don't have one bit of concern for what astrology books say, I know this from experience.
 Sometimes the way you put things is so perfect and so accurate that it makes me wish I had an Aquarius Mercury!
I don't think anyone could've said it better. You really captured the essence of Capricorn! IP: Logged |
dysfunctionalmystic
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posted November 24, 2011 04:32 AM
I don't think any sign can be held to blame for this one because it's seems so deeply rooted into everyone. It's funny that most people see class as those who want to be middle/upper yet I know a lot of working class people that would tell their friends that they should not get "above their station" in life. There's pressure from all angles/areas of class to stay within the realms you were born into. And lots of psychology to back it up too. Capricorn certainly represents society and how we fit into it. It's something I want to research more deeply next year but not from an astro perspective, however saying that, I think it's maybe the cardinal signs that have more of an issue with it (whichever side of the fence they sit on ) Leos aren't generally known for judging on class, the sun shines for everyone and they wouldn't usually discriminate against someone for being upper or lower. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted November 24, 2011 05:10 AM
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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
Sometimes the way you put things is so perfect and so accurate that it makes me wish I had an Aquarius Mercury!
You're a sweetheart 
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popcorn
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posted November 24, 2011 05:26 AM
Im a Sun conj AC Leo person. Ive an exactly conj and parallel.
Im from an poor working class family. Today Im rich through my self and hard work. Today I dont care about what kind of class people come from. Im the same to all but.......I feel me more home with people from an working class. My best and nearest friends always show has the same ...... They come from an working class family. I Will never love to live in luxus surroundings. Thats not me. I love to be there I feel me home....IP: Logged |
jupitersgirl
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posted November 24, 2011 05:44 AM
I think this is a 2nd house issue. Loaded 2nd house can cause this.IP: Logged |
FireWire
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posted November 24, 2011 07:18 AM
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Originally posted by jupitersgirl:
I think this is a 2nd house issue. Loaded 2nd house can cause this.
Define loaded 2nd house? Do you mean a second house ruled by a sign like Scorpio, or a 2nd house with tons of planets? Scorpio is a bit like a loaded gun, no? Lol. I have a couple of placements in the 2nd house (including Saturn), and I work my butt off, and I do plan on being "financially successful." But, I don't care about class, or any of that. It is more about security. Perhaps I am on the way to wealth, but this topic is a little strange in and of itself, really. A person who was born poor or from a working class family might be worried about their security (particularly once they become successful, Oprah for example) than others might tend to be. This in someways can be viewed as 'class' concern on the surface level, but obviously it is much deeper than that. I think it is a less about simply 'what sign it is' and perhaps more about those placements relative to the 'how & where' of one's home environment during the formative years. I think that does a lot to determine a person's feeling about what we are broadly referring to as 'class concerns.' Just my opinion though! In my experience (back to the topic), however, I have found this common amongst Leo(male) and Cancer(male)--they want(ed) the absolute best. Of all my friends, the one's who have been least concerned (once again, superficially) have been Pisces and Sagittarius, though there have been exceptions. We have to be fair and say the 'Sun' sign isn't everything. In all of the cases I know of, the Leos and Cancer males grew up in households where a certain important aspect of their security was missing (finances, parent, love). Class issues are so multilayered though. I mean, a person can have PhD and be considered of a higher class because of social capital, but be making WELL under 100K. Then others can have six figures, but might be considered to be lacking in class because of missing social capital, economic and social views...etc. So...I'll stop going on and on. LOL. IP: Logged |
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