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MertSerimer
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posted November 24, 2011 12:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MertSerimer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, sometimes 12th house ruler may differentiate depending which house system you are using so, observe your life and choose accordingly.

it is believed that the house position which your 12th ruler(OR SOMETIMES WHICH HOUSE SATURN IS IN) is in shows which areas you are betrayed, abandoned or suffered.... And since you suffered from it, now in this lifetime you have an extra karma to spend or gain. In any cases, it is deserved.

Also don't forget that you can be suffering even now with that placements. Sometimes to correct karma and understanding right thing to do, so called "bad" things have to be done.In order people to understand each other they surely go through what bad happened to other. Without having same pain, people never truly understand each other AND THIS IS WHY ALL HAS TO SUFFER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

12th house ruler in 1st house.
you suffered when you are child in your past lives. You suffered because of yourself -> that "yourself" can be your apperance, self-esteem and vanity. This is a heavy character karma there. Also afflicted planets can also show these type of sufferings in 1st house.
So abandon yourself, abandon your appereance, abandon your self-esteem, forget your childhood... When you become conscious, you realize that you are in negative territory.. So grow quickly...

12th house ruler in 2th house.
You suffered from poverty, self-worth, values or even love(love is a value) shortly what is important in past life.
So never appreciate when you have money, never satisfy with whatever you have. Know that you deserve more and do whatever to get it. You may lack spiritual side so try to enhance it as well. First learn to love yourself and then you can appreciate your things.

12th house ruler in 3rd house
You suffered from your mind in your past lives such as mental instability, pshychological conditions, communication. You also suffered from your siblings, neighboors and short travels or even your voice.
So abandon your siblings, abandon your neighboors. Never do short travel or stubbornly travel a lot. Try to be mentally stable, regulate your intelegence... Dont care how you communicate or try to be a human of impressive talker..

12th house ruler in 4th house
You suffered from your mother, your nurturer, women in your life, your baby sitter, your feelings and emotions, your residence or home or where you feel home, security .. This placement may also show long suffering in past lives..
So now you have right to abandon your mother, your nurturer. Abandon your home, change whereever you are living, Abandon your feelings and emotions. Be more rationalist. Never react emotionally. Find your "home or where you feel secure" in yourself....

12th house ruler in 5th house.
You suffered from creative endevors, self-expression, romances, speculative games,unluckiness,your children, your hobbies...
Abandon your lovers.. First make someone fall for you then abandon him/her, so he or she can understand your pain.. Never reach your full potential, first make people belive you are skilled and make them dissapointed by not using it.. Never have kids, abandon your kids, abandon your hobbies, abandon your luck, never trust your luck so never trust in universe. Change your hobbies, change your creativity. Appreciate your own creativity.

12th house ruler in 6th house.
You suffered from service for others, health, work conditions, daily habits and pets... This house is also house of survivor.
So you may have could not be survived from sth..
So abandon your health, change the way you eat, BE LAZY(Since you worked a lot), abandon your work often, never have a pet, never do your daily jobs intead find someone who does it...

12th house ruler in 7th houses....
This is the house of official partners, relationships, association, enemies and what you reflect onto others. Also afflicted planets in libra or seventh house may show You can also be having persecution complex or you can find yourself divorcing a lot.
So never get married, abandon your partner before it harms you, destroy your enemies or abandon them. Never have a partner and learn to live by yourself. Abandon your relationships.


12th house ruler in 8th house.
this is the house of sensitivity, deep emotions, love, sex, intimacy and transformability or lack of the ability to transform, change, or metamorphosize and shared resources.
So never share your money with someone, be chary, Abandon your deep sex partner and never look for it, never show an intimacy. Find your own resources to cope with life. Abandon old resources...

12th house ruler in 9th house
it is the house of philosophy, freedom, adventure, higher learning, religion, justice, travel or lack of it, and sometimes being anchored to ones' life, work, job, family, home and responsibilities. Sometimes this house is associated with happiness so afflicted planets in sag or 9th may make a person moody.
Abandon your beliefs, your big thoughts, abandon your freedom. Travel so much or never travel. Change the way how you think. Run away from your responsibilities, Abandon your sense of adventure and create new ones...Never do "Master" and stay with university or high school degree.

12th house ruler in 10th house.
You suffered through your status, reputation, career, ambitions, external aspects of life, authority over you, practicality etc..

Abandon your ambitions, Dont try to be famous, never focus on your career, abandon your successes, abandon your authorities, make them dissapointed over you, Never listen what they say.

12th house ruler in 11th house.
this is the house of groups, friends, goals, organization and direction in life and humanity.. Also this is the house of outside events that you cannot control or choose. Look for a significant prior lifetime where you went against convention and expressed yourself in a free and unhindered manner. You may have had a prior life as a social worker, union organizer, scientist, political activist, academic or have participated in revolt or uprising. In ancient times you may have been an astrologer or alchemist. You may have been ostracized or imprisoned for your beliefs or actions. You suffered from injustice or betrayel from your friends or from authorites over you...
Abandon your friends, abandon all who is supporting you, first make them follow and support you and then abandon them. You are abandoned in your past lives, now you have every right to revenge it. Make your supporters dissapointed. abandon your dreams and direction in life. Never have a purpose.

12th house ruler in 12th house.
this is the house of oneself, in being you're own worst enemy. It is a very emotional Karma, indicating self-destruction and hidden events. Hidden events are not readily visible and can effect your life in the long term, because a decision or commitment was not made when it should have. Also there can be Karma or suffering with enemies, mankind, institutions, and hospitals. This is also the house of finding your own god, being alone and feeling complete with universe at the sametime..
It can also show suffering from emotions.

I dont have an answer to write here for this since it is very paradoxical.

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posted November 24, 2011 12:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
H12 ruler in H12,very sombre...

mert,I was wondering... I need tob of a Turkish actor.. could u help me?

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posted November 24, 2011 12:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
12th house ruler in 7th houses....
This is the house of official partners, relationships, association, enemies and what you reflect onto others. You can also have persecution complex or you can find yourself divorcing a lot.
So never get married, abandon your partner before it harms you, destroy your enemies or abandon them. Never have a partner and learn to live by yourself.
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Geez thats flipping depressing!
WT HECK!!

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posted November 24, 2011 12:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MertSerimer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
H12 ruler in H12,very sombre...

mert,I was wondering... I need tob of a Turkish actor.. could u help me?


I can do my best but what is "tob" firstly ?

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posted November 24, 2011 12:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
time of birth,I don't know Turkish,so I can't google it,Murat Yıldıdim.(I may misspelled sth,however) Thanks!

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posted November 24, 2011 12:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fondue Knight     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
12th house ruler in 10th house.
You suffered through your status, reputation, career, ambitions, external aspects of life, authority over you, practicality etc..

Abandon your ambitions, Dont try to be famous, never focus on your career, abandon your successes, abandon your authorities, make them dissapointed over you, Never listen what they say.

So, I should be a slacker?

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posted November 24, 2011 12:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MertSerimer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
time of birth,I don't know Turkish,so I can't google it,Murat Yıldıdim.(I may misspelled sth,however) Thanks!

I dont know if it is the right guy or not putting a link there to check.
http://www.diziler.com/kisi/murat-yildirim

Date is 13 April 1979

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posted November 24, 2011 12:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MertSerimer:
I dont know if it is the right guy or not putting a link there to check.
http://www.diziler.com/kisi/murat-yildirim

Date is 13 April 1979


Yup! But darn... no tob...
It is the question of all questions,does he have Scorp Moon,or is it Moon conj Pluto,plus Sun oppo Pluto
thank you,Mert!

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posted November 24, 2011 12:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MertSerimer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
Yeap! But darn... no tob...
It is the question of all questions,does he have Scorp Moon,or is it Moon conj Pluto,plus Sun oppo Pluto
thank you,Mert!


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posted November 24, 2011 12:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is either Libra or Scorp moon In Libra we have Moon conj Pluto option.

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posted November 24, 2011 01:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NativelyJoan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by MertSerimer:
12th house ruler in 10th house.
You suffered through your status, reputation, career, ambitions, external aspects of life, authority over you, practicality etc..

Abandon your ambitions, Dont try to be famous, never focus on your career, abandon your successes, abandon your authorities, make them dissapointed over you, Never listen what they say.


Mert I thought this was blunt but honest and I could relate to it. I've actually decided to throw ambitions out the window considering I don't have much anyways. I spent a good part of my life trying to live up to the expectations of all the authority figures in my life including my parents. After I graduated college I practically screamed screw our conventional society I'm living life on my terms. I've been living off the wall ever since.

(Saggitarius Midheaven conjunct Uranus and Saturn)

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posted November 24, 2011 01:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mblake81     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
12th house ruler in 4th house
You suffered from your mother, your nurturer, women in your life, your baby sitter, your feelings and emotions, your residence or home or where you feel home, security .. This placement may also show long suffering in past lives..
So now you have right to abandon your mother, your nurturer. Abandon your home, change whereever you are living, Abandon your feelings and emotions. Be more rationalist. Never react emotionally. Find your "home or where you feel secure" in yourself....

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posted November 24, 2011 01:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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12th house ruler in 11th house.
....Make your supporters dissapointed. abandon your dreams and direction in life. Never have a purpose.

Why would someone want to do that? It'd create so much hassle and more complications...

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posted November 24, 2011 02:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BelligerentPygmy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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12th house ruler in 8th house.
this is the house of sensitivity, deep emotions, love, sex, intimacy and transformability or lack of the ability to transform, change, or metamorphosize and shared resources.
So never share your money with someone, be chary, Abandon your deep sex partner and never look for it, never show an intimacy. Find your own resources to cope with life. Abandon old resources...

Uh...*makes the "Who Farted?" face*

Nah, I go agree more with the general idea that you need to focus on what your North Node sign is, the house it's in, and work on developing the qualities of that sign, as it relates to the area of life attributed to that particular house.

In a nutshell - I think these interpretations are dubious.

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posted November 24, 2011 02:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chaos     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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12th house ruler in 9th house
it is the house of philosophy, freedom, adventure, higher learning, religion, justice, travel or lack of it, and sometimes being anchored to ones' life, work, job, family, home and responsibilities. Sometimes this house is associated with happiness so afflicted planets in sag or 9th may make a person moody.
Abandon your beliefs, your big thoughts, abandon your freedom. Travel so much or never travel. Change the way how you think. Run away from your responsibilities, Abandon your sense of adventure and create new ones...Never do "Master" and stay with university or high school degree.

Never do Master degree?! I'm doing Master deg atm... Actually, I feel the need to be highly educated...Weirdest thing, my 12H ruler is in 9th, but my 9H ruler is Jupiter, the most aspected planet in my chart, and it's in - 12H! Lol...

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posted November 24, 2011 02:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for appleberry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've read for both me and my partner and this feels more like what is going on in this life's suffering rather than feeling like karma for last... For both of us. We can both identify more with SN as past life influence.

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posted November 24, 2011 02:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BelligerentPygmy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What's weird to me is that all the interpretations basically encourage people to do nothing with their lives or even self-destructive things...but somehow whoever wrote that thinks that's the path to getting to where you need to be or bettering yourself?

*headscratch*

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posted November 24, 2011 02:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MertSerimer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Without chaos there is no order ,so for the right thing,you should destroy. Ihave an iq of over 140 and my natal chart shows spiritual deep wisdom.AT THE END Iam always right ; )

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posted November 24, 2011 02:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlackSeraph     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
12 house ruler in 10th house. Considering my 12th house ruler(s) are said to be Mars/Pluto co-ruling by some (I forget if it's Pluto or Mars that's supposed to be the single ruler in interpretations offhand), and considering Mars and Pluto are conjunct in my 10th house... (edit: Helps if I specify it's Scorpio in my 12th house).

Hmm... I have had a possible past-life interpretation where I went for it all and lost it all. But abandon success/ambition in this life? Um, no. If I have to repeat some lesson next time, so be it but I'm not going to hold myself back like that (intentionally). Not happening. (Although, the authority thing I'm really starting to see happening, especially as I look at the asteroids conjunct Mars/Pluto)...

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posted November 24, 2011 03:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chaos     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MertSerimer:
Without chaos there is no order ,so for the right thing,you should destroy. Ihave an iq of over 140 and my natal chart shows spiritual deep wisdom.AT THE END Iam always right ; )

You mentioned Saturn too...What if my 12H ruler is in 9H, Saturn is in 8H, and 8th & 9th house have the same ruler??Does that indicate something?! Also, I've heard somewhere (not sure, maybe it was on Lindaland too) the smallest houses in your chart by degree (in Placidus?) rule the areas you mastered in your pastlife, are heavily karmic or something....and yeah, my 8th & 9th are the smallest...What should I do, oh wise one?

Edit: Oh, and 2nd & 3rd house ruler conjuncts 12th house ruler...Man, my head hurts...

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posted November 24, 2011 03:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MertSerimer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Chaos:
You mentioned Saturn too...What if my 12H ruler is in 9H, Saturn is in 8H, and 8th & 9th house have the same ruler??Does that indicate something?! Also, I've heard somewhere (not sure, maybe it was on Lindaland too) the smallest houses in your chart by degree (in Placidus?) rule the areas you mastered in your pastlife, are heavily karmic or something....and yeah, my 8th & 9th are the smallest...What should I do, oh wise one?

Edit: Oh, and 2nd & 3rd house ruler conjuncts 12th house ruler...Man, my head hurts...



you dont deserve my wisdom with that attitude

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posted November 24, 2011 03:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chaos     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MertSerimer:
you dont deserve my wisdom with that attitude

Attitude?! O_o I was asking for advice in a joking manner! ...Maybe you're not that wise after all since you've mistaken a joking manner for attitude...I was really hoping you'd tell me something more... :/

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posted November 25, 2011 01:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MertSerimer:
12th house ruler in 6th house.
You suffered from service for others, health, work conditions, daily habits and pets... This house is also house of survivor.
So you may have could not be survived from sth..
So abandon your health, change the way you eat, BE LAZY(Since you worked a lot), abandon your work often, never have a pet, never do your daily jobs intead find someone who does it...


LOL wut (!)
Gasp, I had an ad for a servant boy somewhere around here....

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posted November 25, 2011 01:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Fondue Knight:
[b]12th house ruler in 10th house.
You suffered through your status, reputation, career, ambitions, external aspects of life, authority over you, practicality etc..

Abandon your ambitions, Dont try to be famous, never focus on your career, abandon your successes, abandon your authorities, make them dissapointed over you, Never listen what they say.

So, I should be a slacker? [/B]



I know someone with that placement, he works on the side in his church, and sits on a committee for a local women's shelter, donates a lot of his time driving donated medical supplies to Mexico, etc. So that's another example. He also has a heavy Pisces/h9 influence for religious/spiritual matters. He's not a slacker, he has a good job, but his career is not the 'end all be all' for him since he meets disappointments in how the organization he works for is managed (don't they all lol).
Also he talks a lot about how just when he thinks there's a promotion ready for him, or something good coming for the company, there's always some lil political game being played that throws it all off course, and he goes home feeling slightly defeated re:things that are pretty much out of his control.

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posted November 25, 2011 01:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:
Uh...*makes the "Who Farted?" face*

Nah, I go agree more with the general idea that you need to focus on what your North Node sign is, the house it's in, and work on developing the qualities of that sign, as it relates to the area of life attributed to that particular house.

In a nutshell - I think these interpretations are dubious.



They do sound a bit fatalistic, but the house that holds the ruler of the 12th is typically the house where we meet enemies/have people working against us in those affairs behind the scenes. So I do understand where the interpretations are coming from. I find them quite funny tbh.

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