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hannaramaa
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posted November 24, 2011 07:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As I'm sure you guys know by now I'm an Aries. In friendships, I'm a lover not a fighter and for my closest friends I'll go out of my way to help them and be there for them in any way possible. For this reason, I don't understand why my Scorpio friend plays little power struggles with me. I mean, why do it? For example, I wanted to see what a friend wrote back to her and I have internet on my phone, so I pulled up the website and was like "Here, check!" and she just looked at it and said "What?" and I explained, and I know she knows what I'm talking about but instead she insists we wait 'til we get to her parents house and she'll just check it there. I mean, really? What's the difference between checking it now on my phone, and checking it at her parents'? I don't know if this is typical Scorpio behavior or if we have aspects favoring this kind of thing, so I'm posting our synastry chart here. I don't know why but even after six or seven years being practically inseparable I still don't completely trust her.

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posted November 24, 2011 07:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lindisfarne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
scorpios scare me, idk i would hate to get involved with one romantically lol

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posted November 24, 2011 07:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for *Prince~Darien*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i think it's probably your twelfth house mars... you could be your own 'hidden' side.. consider that maybe something about her is very similar to you and perhaps that that's what you seem uneasy about and not your friend; you're confronting something about you that you may not like and would rather not 'claim' yourself being capable of or have; why is that?

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posted November 24, 2011 07:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by *Prince~Darien*:
i think it's probably your twelfth house mars... you could be your own 'hidden' side.. consider that maybe something about her is very similar to you and perhaps that that's what you seem uneasy about and not your friend; you're confronting something about you that you may not like and would rather not 'claim' yourself being capable of or have; why is that?

Again? Is everything I sense going to be directed towards myself? Don't get me wrong 'cause I'm not discounting that, it's just... I don't know... when is somebody annoying because they're annoying and not because it's something within myself? You know? Is there anything in our synastry chart that points to what it is? The only reason I push the synastry chart is because I feel like I could pull anything out about myself I don't like and say "Oh, it's that." Anyway, I see a lot of similarities between the way Scorpios are and myself however I lack the magnetism I think. So am I supposed to think of everything about her that bugs me and see those as traits I have myself?

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posted November 24, 2011 07:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for *Prince~Darien*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
doesn't sound like 'annoying' is what you described.. to me, at least.. 6-7 years; you know at least some stuff about her but that underlying uneasiness is what i'm talking about... your pluto is in her twelfth.

i had a friendship that was similar .

7 years later, i terminated it.

the annoyance you mentioned is saturn and mars - it's mutual;

the not trusting her is something else.

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posted November 24, 2011 07:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by lindisfarne:
scorpios scare me, idk i would hate to get involved with one romantically lol

Scorpios don't scare me, really. They can be exhausting though. I wouldn't mind getting involved with one romantically 'cause I believe they're very loyal signs (my experience anyway) but I've seen this one, my BFF, and her boy-friend-thing fight and she's totally crazy and hypocritical when it comes to him. She needs to let him go but she won't 'cause that means someone else, whoever that may be, would get him or he would go to someone else. It's one of those instances where me as an Aries is facepalming and being like "Dude... still?"

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posted November 24, 2011 07:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for *Prince~Darien*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Scorpios don't scare me, really. They can be exhausting though. I wouldn't mind getting involved with one romantically 'cause I believe they're very loyal signs (my experience anyway) but I've seen this one, my BFF, and her boy-friend-thing fight and she's totally crazy and hypocritical when it comes to him. She needs to let him go but she won't 'cause that means someone else, whoever that may be, would get him or he would go to someone else. It's one of those instances where me as an Aries is facepalming and being like "Dude... still?"

this is very interesting. it may not relate to your post or it may but it resonated with me, at least and i thank you for it.

i'm going to sit back to think about this.

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posted November 24, 2011 08:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for *Prince~Darien*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Scorpios don't scare me, really. They can be exhausting though. I wouldn't mind getting involved with one romantically 'cause I believe they're very loyal signs (my experience anyway) but I've seen this one, my BFF, and her boy-friend-thing fight and she's totally crazy and hypocritical when it comes to him. She needs to let him go but she won't 'cause that means someone else, whoever that may be, would get him or he would go to someone else. It's one of those instances where me as an Aries is facepalming and being like "Dude... still?"

this may relate but it helped me think about something relating to another scorpio in a different thread.

thanks!

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posted November 24, 2011 08:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by *Prince~Darien*:
doesn't sound like 'annoying' is what you described.. to me, at least.. 6-7 years; you know at least some stuff about her but that underlying uneasiness is what i'm talking about... your pluto is in her twelfth.

i had a friendship that was similar.

7 years later, i terminated it.

the annoyance is the saturn and mars; the not trusting her is something else.


Yeah you're right. And I completely missed my Pluto being her 12th, all I saw was her Pluto falling in my 5th. Pluto being in there... that's heavy, right? So many things come to mind with this but I kept erasing what I had written so far 'cause I don't know how to fix a Pluto in the 12th. I do feel like I bring out some kind of insecurity in her though and I don't know why 'cause I'm bigger than she is, and she's a social butterfly whenever we're hanging out with guys. I'm the one they say is "so quiet".

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posted November 24, 2011 08:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by *Prince~Darien*:
this is very interesting. it may not relate to your post or it may but it resonated with me, at least and i thank you for it.

i'm going to sit back to think about this.


Haha, you're welcome! There's a lot I want to discuss but it's hard for me to tie it all back to astrology. I don't want to turn this into a Dr. Phil thread about my friendship.

I want to know if Pluto in the 12th causes a mirror affect? We do seemed to be linked psychically, which is really disturbing considering all these emotions I hold back from her. We've only fought three times in the seven years I've known her. She's told me before she HATES fighting with me. I said "Why?" 'cause she has no qualms about fighting with her boy-friend-thing and her other friend, and I think "If you can't fight them, you can't trust them." So I asked why, and she couldn't come up with an answer. I could. It's because she's not used to being the one who's wrong.

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posted November 24, 2011 08:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not sure why you're interpreting that as a power play. I don't really see it. Did she show you the email later at her parent's house?

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posted November 24, 2011 08:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I'm not sure why you're interpreting that as a power play. I don't really see it. Did she show you the email later at her parent's house?

No, I couldn't go because I needed to come home in order to go to bed early because I'm working tomorrow morning. I guess I interpreted it as a power play because I know she knows why I want to know, and instead of allowing me to see it for myself it feels like she is playing coy on purpose. Like "No, I'm going to make you wait just a little bit longer - for no reason." There's no difference between checking it on my phone right there or checking it at her parents.

I just realized though maybe I'm being controlling in needing to know. The message is from a guy I like, and although it sucks he's writing her without her having to do anything, I guess I want to know so I can make my assessment and move on. I suppose I should move on anyway if he's writing her in the first place, although I do think it's disrespectful of her to encourage MORE contact between them by even responding.

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posted November 24, 2011 08:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't like the sound of that one bit ^

So she knows you like him... and she's acting this way...
Or have you not told her?

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posted November 24, 2011 08:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I had similar experience. But,girl had only Venus in Scorpio. I ended friendship.
But,interesting what u have said,u bring out insecurities in her; I find it common theme on Fire/Water relation. Confidence is Fire trait,with Fire signs it seems effortless,genuine. One really has to be mature,self-confident to bring out ScopVenus in the best light. In that way,secrecy could be key to gaining that level. She may feel all natural while scheming around (no matter how silly those secrets can be). Friendship-wise,Mars/Saturn contacts can be really tough.

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posted November 24, 2011 08:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I don't like the sound of that one bit ^

So she knows you like him... and she's acting this way...
Or have you not told her?


Oh no, she totally knows. And that's what upsets me about the whole thing is because she knows. When he messaged her she was upfront about it with me. He messaged her as we were traveling in the car together and I definitely didn't try to hide my annoyance. We've only met him once, but he's not really the point. It's how SHE is behaving about it. She may have been upfront when he messaged her, because he did within minutes of us actually calling his friend whom we met him through (gosh all these little details... sorry) but it's funny 'cause when I was mad I knew she got overwhelmed so she was trying to backtrack and say "It's not like I'm going to write him back" and then I calmed down and I said "What'd you say?" and she'd written him back "Nothing, you?" and I can't stop stewing about it. I had to have Thanksgiving dinner with her today too and hid it as best I could.

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posted November 24, 2011 08:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok! I had an idea... I don't want to send her to the bad-bff bin just yet LOL So, is it possible that he wrote to her *about* you?
And she's making you wait kind of like when you buy someone a present, get them all excited and won't tell them what it is - until their birthday...

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posted November 24, 2011 08:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Omg...Hannaramaa,that girl is rotten. I can sense it even across the screen

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posted November 24, 2011 08:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ah! Ok... I just read your last post.. so it probably wasn't what I thought off.

I have a feeling based on your charts.. that you would put yourself and your friends *first*.. You're an Aries with your stellium in the 11th.
She has a Libra Mars and several Scorpio planets (lots of social-sign influence) so her relationships mean a lot to her. Basically if she really liked a guy - she wouldn't care whose shoes she threads on (family, best friends.. it wouldn't matter). I think she believes - 'all is fair in love and war'.
It's not easy to be friends with a person like this.. because they glorify their romantic partner or potential partners.. and their friends always come second.

I could be mis-judging her ^ but I've known several Libra/Scorpio men (with the same combo of Scorpio Venus and Libra Mars)... and they didn't seem like very good friends. They gave me their undivided attention when they were attracted to me.. My impression was always that they would ditch their friends in a second if I asked.
Whenever there was a choice between me & their friends.. they chose me.
I also have Sun in the 11th - and personally I thought they were shi*tty friends but great as bfs.

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posted November 24, 2011 08:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
Ok! I had an idea... I don't want to send her to the bad-bff bin just yet LOL So, is it possible that he wrote to her *about* you?

And she's making you wait kind of like when you buy someone a present, get them all excited and won't tell them what it is - until their birthday...


How weird you say that. I have a big imagination and that kind of "script" keeps popping in my head. I find her behavior really odd 'cause when her friend called and told her this guy was interested in me she was really excited for me. She called and was like "OMG GUESS WHAT?", and even when me, this guy, and her and another friend were all hanging out she was like "He was flirting, and he was going to kiss you because of x, y, and z. Why didn't you stay longer? Yeah, that's what he was asking you...." and she has her own crushes and stuff so I don't know why she's all of a sudden acting like we're sisters competing. She was laughing when she told me he messaged her as if to insinuate "Oh my god, I can't believe he's trying to talk to me too." and I'm sitting there boiling in my own soup because EVERY TIME I like a guy, they like her. It's interesting though (and I brought this up the other day) she doesn't get along with girls, and I find it hard to connect with guys. Something is up though, and I'll be damned if I don't find out what it is!

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posted November 24, 2011 08:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
She does! She totally does, and that's exactly what I couldn't put into words for her but I totally will. She befriended one of her boy-thing-friend's friends really well, he was a Leo and naturally put her under his spell (ironically enough they both had Moon conjunct Neptune in their natal charts and I had a VERY psychic connection to him. Moving on!) but they weren't friends for that long. I was sooooo sick of hearing about how he just "got her" and me and her boy-thing-friend were both ****** as hell about their friendship. To this day, he's convinced they fooled around behind his back and I'm convinced she liked him even though she wouldn't admit it. But I noticed after I finally made her realize what a BSer this guy was, she still let go of her pride enough to throw him a "Hey, how are you" text. I thought "That's funny, when I quit talking to you and it was your fault, you never sent me anything." Nope. All she did was nurse a nice little grudge.

Anyways, back to what you said about my 11th. I definitely put my friends first. I put them before myself even. It's amazing because they seem to have a better grasp on how to balance friends, family, school, work than I do but my natural instinct is to put them first.

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posted November 24, 2011 09:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was also wondering what it means that our Chirons are so close together? A lot of my old crushes Chrions and mine are close together, I wondered why I attract people like that. Are they supposed to heal me? Is it a karmic thing?

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posted November 24, 2011 09:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls**     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your suspicion of your friend could definitely be her OR it could be your own paranoia.

I have a friend whose Mars is in my 12th and I don't trust her. Logically she's never done anything to me, but I'm still suspicious.

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posted November 24, 2011 09:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
lol hannaramaa - that really reminds me of someone!
When I was in my late teens, this guy (Libra w. stellium in Scorpio & Libra Mars, born: 15 Oct 1987) had a huge crush on me. I had a bf at the time and he did everything to break us up. He was pretty obsessed - He even threatened suicide to get my attention. His Venus was conj my Pluto.

Interestingly enough - this year I met two other guys born around the same time as him. One of them is actually born on the exact same day, same yr! - although I'm pretty sure he would have a different AC. This guy happens to be gay. Him & I and another guy (I'll call him Cappy, since he's a Capricorn lol) work together. Libra guy has a HUGE thing for Cappy. He's very attracted to him. He won't stop talking about him. He asks him a million questions about his life. He stares at him. He offers to buy him things and do things for him. I really think that if Cappy said 'go jump off a bridge' - he would!

The whole thing is more twisted... because Cappy is extra traditional and not gay - and he doesn't like this attention at all. Libra guy was friends with me for a long while - until he realized Cappy was kind of 'into' me... But even before he knew this - he never gave me much attention. If we were all having lunch - he would talk to Cappy and forget I was there.. Cappy looked like he wanted to run off lol Anyway I realized that he behaves this way purely because love&sex are somewhere waaaaay up there ^^^^^^^^ in his mind.. beyond all else. And friends can't measure up to a romantic interest.
This is difficult for me to understand because I don't put my crushes on a pedestal.. in this way - and my friends mean a lot to me. I also have Venus in the 11th (other than my Sun).

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I definitely put my friends first. I put them before myself even.

Ya - I'm the same!

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A lot of my old crushes Chrions and mine are close together, I wondered why I attract people like that. Are they supposed to heal me? Is it a karmic thing?

If they are around the same age as you, it's not strange.. Chiron moves slowly.. so many people can have it conjunct yours. But in your synastry with Sco girl - the conjunction is out of sign. I don't normally count those.

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posted November 25, 2011 01:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Your suspicion of your friend could definitely be her OR it could be your own paranoia.

I have a friend whose Mars is in my 12th and I don't trust her. Logically she's never done anything to me, but I'm still suspicious.


I don't think her Mars is in my 12th or vice versa, I just have that natally (although I don't have the synastry chart right in front of me it might've been something I overlooked.)

I tend to trust strangers easier than people who are close to me though. You know how Patti Stanger (Millionaire Matchmaker) is like "Oh he lets the penis do the picking." and there's guys who go after the bad girls, and she'll say something about how their "picker" is broken? Yeah, well mine is broken. I always end up befriending manipulative people. Either I'm somehow manipulative, or I attract them because I'm not.

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posted November 25, 2011 01:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RedScorp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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...I don't want to turn this into a Dr. Phil thread about my friendship.

...with her boy-friend-thing...


Those two things me lol h-core.

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