posted November 25, 2011 12:44 PM            

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Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:
I have Neptune in Capricorn, with Mars. Moon in Cancer. Merc and Sun in Libra.

Yeah. Lots of tension.

I have an anxiety disorder, a depressive disorder, and an autism spectrum disorder (not actual autism). I'm on the mild end of all of them, but it's still enough for people to dislike me. No matter how hard I try, I'm never quite neurotypical enough or good enough. I hate being defective because of how people treat me. I'm "in the closet" about these things to a lot of people, but they still know that something is wrong with me. The people who do know (which includes the people with whom I am struggling right now) still don't appreciate how hard I work or how much effort I put in when it comes to social things. I try so hard, for almost nothing.

So yes, based on myself, perhaps a Neptune affliction could indicate this--not cause it, but be a "marker" for it.

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I am very sorry to hear that. Perhaps you place yourself around very unappreciative people? And its not YOU thats defective or the problem, i think you are kind of being too hard on yourself. You already believe yourself to be defective that seeps into subconscious behavior and you will attract people that enforce that self-core belief.

posted November 25, 2011 01:23 PM            

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posted November 25, 2011 01:33 PM            

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Originally posted by scrappydog:
Bipolar disorder is not a personality disorder, it is a mood disorder, there is a big difference. One of the biggest indicators for bipolar specifically in a chart is a jupiter saturn conjunction or opposition. I have personally found this to be true over and over.

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posted November 25, 2011 01:43 PM            

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Originally posted by lindisfarne:
If someones chart has a strong opposition with Neptune is this at all indicative of a personality disorder?
Moon Mercury Venus all opposing Neptune?
and Sun opposing Uranus?

Help me out here, tread this with caution or what?

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posted November 25, 2011 02:49 PM            

My mother and I both have unaspected Moons - both at 29 degrees. Hers is in Gemini, mine in Libra. We're also both Cancers; our birthdays are two days apart. My mother is very neurotic and OCD. She often refuses to take her antidepressants because she doesn't believe she has a problem, and well... I think after spending three Christmases alone because she drove the family away has finally changed her opinion... but only a little. I, on the other hand, have serious bouts of depression for months then hyperactivity that leads to no eating and sleeping. I've only had two serious hypomanic episodes - one in high school and one after I miscarried my first child. I actually get a lot accomplished in the first weeks of onset, and then it spirals out of control with anxiety, aggression, and impulsivity. Then you crash into horrible depression again. It happened once in high school, but the psychiatrist I saw was reluctant to diagnose me since I was still young. When it happened again in 09, they put me on a moon stabilizer for maintenance and temporarily an antidepressant to bring my moods back up. My life lesson is finding balance - a very Libra thing.

posted November 25, 2011 03:02 PM            

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Originally posted by scrappydog:
Bipolar disorder is not a personality disorder, it is a mood disorder, there is a big difference. One of the biggest indicators for bipolar specifically in a chart is a jupiter saturn conjunction or opposition. I have personally found this to be true over and over.

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posted November 25, 2011 03:14 PM            

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Originally posted by lindisfarne:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by scrappydog:
[b]Bipolar disorder is not a personality disorder, it is a mood disorder, there is a big difference. One of the biggest indicators for bipolar specifically in a chart is a jupiter saturn conjunction or opposition. I have personally found this to be true over and over.

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It is a personality disorder. There are different clusters, Mood is a cluster, the entire umbrella is called personality disorder.[/B]

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Mood disorders are not a cluster. I would research this yourself and see. My father is a psychiatrist, and I'll quote all his books for you if you want. Here's wikipedia instead:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mood_disorder http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personality_disorder

posted November 25, 2011 03:24 PM            

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Originally posted by scrappydog:
Bipolar disorder is not a personality disorder, it is a mood disorder, there is a big difference. One of the biggest indicators for bipolar specifically in a chart is a jupiter saturn conjunction or opposition. I have personally found this to be true over and over.

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posted November 25, 2011 03:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Purrr:
Also, "depressive" personality disorder is not the same as depression, if that's where you're getting confused.

Personality disorders affect your personality - characteristics. Mood disorders affect your emotional lability.

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That anyone can use wikipedia as a legitimate source. No offense but thats just incredible.

If its extreme enough to effect your personality which lets admit here, manic depressive people/bipolar folks this aspect effects their personality severely, than its a personality disorder. Wikipedia is not a credible source.

I dont know any manic depressive person that doesn't have their disorder shape their entire personality.

Ok back to the real topic

posted November 25, 2011 03:34 PM            

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Originally posted by lindisfarne:
That anyone can use wikipedia as a legitimate source. No offense but thats just incredible.

If its extreme enough to effect your personality which lets admit here, manic depressive people/bipolar folks this aspect effects their personality severely, than its a personality disorder. Wikipedia is not a credible source.

I dont know any manic depressive person that doesn't have their disorder shape their entire personality.

Ok back to the real topic

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It's the clearest, most succinct source I can find online that isn't a direct quote from a medical book. It is wikipedia, but I know that that particular article is correct. The resources used in the article are cited at the bottom and they are all correct. If you want, I'll video tape my father and the rest of the medical staff at his office explaining this to you? You don't need to be so quick to brush statements aside. Do you want my to scan the book for you? I have it in my hands as I type. Like I said, google it. You'll find it all over Google Books.

posted November 25, 2011 03:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Capriquarius:
Jupiter and Saturn are opposing principles. Jupiter is expansiveness and joy, Saturn is restrictions. Someone with the opposition would teeter back and forth between unbridled joy and pure melancholy.

The conjunction I imagine would be like having your joy shot down by your sense of reality, or having your sense of reality overpowered by your sense of possibility. In the mythology, Jupiter (Zeus) killed his father Saturn (Kronos). I don't see how that's bipolar though. Like maira said, sounds like mania.

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I often see Mania in a lot of older patients at the hospital my dad works at. I used to volunteer there quote frequently and got to know a lot of the patients. Growing up, he would often get calls in the middle of the night from the nurses for older patients who were have severe delusions and becoming dangerous to themselves. More often than not, a lot of the younger generation who get checked into the hospital are more depressed than manic. A LOT are major depressive and deal with drug addictions. You'd be surprised by the statistics in mental hospitals today. A LOT of Lindsay Lohans... Perhaps there is a generational link. I'll have to look up a few ephemeris and research this.

I do think that the Moon, Mercury, and Saturn have a lot to do with mental disorder.

posted November 25, 2011 03:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Capriquarius:
Jupiter and Saturn are opposing principles. Jupiter is expansiveness and joy, Saturn is restrictions. Someone with the opposition would teeter back and forth between unbridled joy and pure melancholy.

The conjunction I imagine would be like having your joy shot down by your sense of reality, or having your sense of reality overpowered by your sense of possibility. In the mythology, Jupiter (Zeus) killed his father Saturn (Kronos). I don't see how that's bipolar though. Like maira said, sounds like mania.

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posted November 25, 2011 03:45 PM            

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Originally posted by maira:
From my somewhat limited knowledge on the subject, bipolar disorder [b]is manic-depression. The sufferer swings back and forth between bouts of extreme happiness (mania - Jupiter) and extreme depression (Saturn). Oppositions seem more plausible.[/B]

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posted November 25, 2011 03:48 PM            

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Originally posted by lindisfarne:
If someones chart has a strong opposition with Neptune is this at all indicative of a personality disorder?
Moon Mercury Venus all opposing Neptune?
and Sun opposing Uranus?

Help me out here, tread this with caution or what?

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And back on topic, you asked about these particular aspects, right? Not about bipolar disorder.

posted November 25, 2011 03:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Capriquarius:
Mania is something else though, ain't it? Craziness, disregard for obstacles, grandiose delusion... That sounds like the conjunction between Jupiter & Saturn. Jupiter destroys Saturn in the myth.

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Mania is a part of Bipolar I. Bipolar II is hypomania.