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curiouswoman
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posted November 30, 2011 11:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for curiouswoman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
astrology indicators?

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posted November 30, 2011 11:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Capriquarius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moon in 12th could mean your mom is a source of your undoing, your secret enemy. Moon in the 7th could mean she is your open enemy.

I have Saturn (father) in my 12th and it's true for me: my father has wanted to turn me into his carbon copy instead of letting me be me, so he's my enemy in disguise. We don't say it out loud but know it deep down.

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posted December 01, 2011 03:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Perhaps some connection between Moon (mother) and Nessus (abuse), but I'm not sure.

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posted December 01, 2011 04:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mysticknowflake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
YES!~

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posted December 01, 2011 04:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for anongrl10     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Capriquarius:
Moon in 12th could mean your mom is a source of your undoing, your secret enemy. Moon in the 7th could mean she is your open enemy.

I have Saturn (father) in my 12th and it's true for me: my father has wanted to turn me into his carbon copy instead of letting me be me, so he's my enemy in disguise. We don't say it out loud but know it deep down.


{{shudder}}
It saddens me to no end to read this but it happens so often unfortunately. I wish people were more responsible with their decision to bring kids into life. But karma always bites in the a$$.


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Capriquarius
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posted December 01, 2011 05:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Capriquarius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by anongrl10:
I wish people were more responsible with their decision to bring kids into life.

Tell me about it...I rant about that a lot. And Pluto transiting my 4th is showing me that my parents shouldn't have even gotten married, let alone bring other lives into a double Pluto in the 7th relationship with hard Moon-Mars aspects. Oh, the drama...

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posted December 01, 2011 05:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There are many crazy people who not should be mothers. Ive hard moon aspect including nessus and never ever done anything crime or sick to my children. They are adult now and not living togheter with me.

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posted December 01, 2011 06:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Saturn in 12th. My relationship with my father has been a constant source of tension all my life. We don't see eye to eye at all. I came to America half the world away to get far away from him. So, he is my silent nemisis. I don't see why a mother can't be your enemy.

My Saturn and Venus are both Aquarius in House 12. My Sun, Mars and Mercury are Capricorn in House 10.

Capriquarius, it's scary how similar our struggles are given some similar Capricorn and Aquarius planets.

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posted December 01, 2011 07:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for anongrl10     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
I have Saturn in 12th. My relationship with my father has been a constant source of tension all my life. We don't see eye to eye at all. I came to America half the world away to get far away from him. So, he is my silent nemisis. I don't see why a mother can't be your enemy.

I'm sorry to hear it, Ian.
I think you turned out fantastically given the lack of emotional support from your family.

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posted December 01, 2011 09:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I'm sorry to hear it, Ian.
I think you turned out fantastically given the lack of emotional support from your family.

Thank you, anongrl10

The pressure to succeed was constant and he was putting me down as a young child trying to motivate me to succeed, constantly comparing to my relatives and so-and-so's kid.

I never failed to disappoint him. he sent me to psychiatrists and psychologists to evaluate why I couldn't be first in school in every subject. If he had his way, his kid would get A+ in every subject, play every instrument known, win every Oscar and every Grammy, and win Gold Medals in every single Olympic sporting event.

Anyway, to be fair to the family, I left home at 14 to go to boarding school in the U.K., again far away from them. Then, I came to America.

The most hurtful lecture of all time was "you are good for nothing and would never amount to anything."

The irony is that I became.. drum roll.. a banker just like him. And my sons are turning out to be everything he wanted me to be.

The lesson for him is that he would have gotten what he wanted if he just had a bit more confidence in me and lessen the pressure a wee bit.

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posted December 01, 2011 10:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for anongrl10     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:

The lesson for him is that he would have gotten what he wanted if he just had a bit more confidence in me and lessen the pressure a wee bit.

Remember this lesson as you are raising your sons, dear Ian. Somewhere deeply inside you're still craving his approval. Which is more than human and natural and nothing to be ashamed of. He, on the other hand, has everything to feel ashamed of...

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posted December 01, 2011 10:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MertSerimer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by curiouswoman:
astrology indicators?

-Your moon 7th or 12th house
-or your mother's sun(maybe some more planets) is in your 7th or 12th house.

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posted December 01, 2011 10:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Remember this lesson as you are raising your sons, dear Ian. Somewhere deeply inside you're still craving his approval. Which is more than human and natural and nothing to be ashamed of. He, on the other hand, has everything to feel ashamed of...

For all his ills as a parent, he's still a good guy and I respect his personal accomplishments highly. I try to throw him a bone now and then and show some respect over the phone and/or e-mail.

My elder son is a narcissitic serial accomplisher on his own without even my prompting. So I try as best to lay off the pressure. My younger son seems to be turning out to be "normal" for a change and is appropriately focused on enjoying his childhood.

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posted December 01, 2011 11:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree having kids is a super serious decision and you have to be ready for it that is why I am 28 years old and still have not had a kid. I want to and hubby has all the qualities to be an excellent dad (nurturing, playful and smart) once he works on his temper issues which he has told me recently he wants to change and I am noticing he is trying hard. so I am waiting until I am sure about him.

I feel that after not separating from him for 4.7 years for more than 6 to 8 hours a day do to my job and finally taking two weeks apart from each other this month is making me value him more and him I and I think we are heading towards a new beginning leading to more growth in the relationship and in each other. I think all I needed all along to be happier was a little bit of space and more personal time with family and he probably needed it to whether he realizes it or not.

Like for 4.7 years we did nothing apart not even socially it was just to much spending time together. Now a new dynamic is starting were I will be visiting my parents regularly and will take little breaks (like for one week every two to three months). This is more balanced and healthier but until I reach that balance that I seek in a relationship longterm I will not have kids bc they shouldn't suffer and children are easily impressionable.

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posted December 01, 2011 01:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Capriquarius:
Moon in 12th could mean your mom is a source of your undoing, your secret enemy. Moon in the 7th could mean she is your open enemy.

I have Saturn (father) in my 12th and it's true for me: my father has wanted to turn me into his carbon copy instead of letting me be me, so he's my enemy in disguise. We don't say it out loud but know it deep down.


Father is indicated by Sun,primarily.

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posted December 01, 2011 01:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fondue Knight     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Father is indicated by Sun,primarily.

My Sun is in the 7th and I would definitely consider my father as an adversary.

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posted December 01, 2011 02:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ElizabethO     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wuv my Daddy.
My mother and I... respect each other.
We're very similar. Both Cancer Sun (her birthday is two days before mine), both have unaspected Air moons. Water mars. Her is in Scorpio, though... and mine is in Pisces. My experience with Scorpio Mars is more extensive than I would ever wish for. They like to be in control, and I'm a bit of a rebel... I'll just say that.

My mother and I have learned to agree to disagree and we mostly get along... We live our own lives now, though.

Oh, and we're both Dragons in Chinese Astrology. My grandmother told me in the olden days that I would never had been considered a good wife because the Chinese consider Dragon ladies to be too independent.

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posted December 01, 2011 02:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I wuv my Daddy.
My mother and I... respect each other.
We're very similar. Both Cancer Sun (her birthday is two days before mine), both have unaspected Air moons. Water mars. Her is in Scorpio, though... and mine is in Pisces. My experience with Scorpio Mars is more extensive than I would ever wish for. They like to be in control, and I'm a bit of a rebel... I'll just say that.

My mother and I have learned to agree to disagree and we mostly get along... We live our own lives now, though.

Oh, and we're both Dragons in Chinese Astrology. My grandmother told me in the olden days that I would never had been considered a good wife because the Chinese consider Dragon ladies to be too independent.


Interesting! Do u have more on Dragons?

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posted December 01, 2011 02:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ElizabethO     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nope, the only ones in this family, thank god. My brother is a horse and my father is a tiger.

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posted December 01, 2011 02:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Bad" asteroids hitting you. Also, if she has "bad" asteroids hitting each other like Nessus and Ixion, for example.

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posted December 01, 2011 04:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ElizabethO     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, wait - I just realized you said do I have more on Dragons, not more Dragons...

My grandmother is a really old Chinese Filipino lady who always keeps tabs on everyone's Chinese sign. She always tells me to be independent, never get married until I have a ton of money, etc. I think she's rather glad that I'm a dragon!

I know each sign has their own elements. For example, I'm an Earth (1988) dragon, and my mother is a Water dragon (1952).

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posted December 01, 2011 04:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Capriquarius:
Moon in 12th could mean your mom is a source of your undoing, your secret enemy. Moon in the 7th could mean she is your open enemy.

I have Saturn (father) in my 12th and it's true for me: my father has wanted to turn me into his carbon copy instead of letting me be me, so he's my enemy in disguise. We don't say it out loud but know it deep down.


I know a guy that has moon in the 12th and he is a parasite as a result of the relationship with his neglectful poisonous mother. He doesn't have disability but claims he does to collect money from government, has a problem with drugs. Attracts crazy chicks to his life...his last girlfriend stabbed him about something trivial and he didn't call the police on her. He is lazy but is intellectual and wanted to go to school for which his mother completely discouraged him and did not support him on this. Very sad! Usually I feel most people can overcome things but I get this feeling that with him he will never change. He leaved in my house for free for three months which is around when I started becoming restless in my relationship. I wanted to help him but should have not let hubby bring his friend in, I learned my lesson. Hubby was not that close to him but wanted to help him since he was homeless himself for a week at some point in his life and thought he could use an assistant but this kid is super lazy. I feel bad for him but it was a real bad idea to bring him in our house. He is now staying with another friend. That kids mother is the definition of having a mother who is your enemy.

You know a lot of about astrology....love reading your insights.

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posted December 01, 2011 05:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ElizabethO:
Oh, wait - I just realized you said do I have more on Dragons, not more Dragons...

My grandmother is a really old Chinese Filipino lady who always keeps tabs on everyone's Chinese sign. She always tells me to be independent, never get married until I have a ton of money, etc. I think she's rather glad that I'm a dragon!

I know each sign has their own elements. For example, I'm an Earth (1988) dragon, and my mother is a Water dragon (1952).



I know basics of Chinese astrology,I was aiming at ur granmother's insider knowledge

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posted December 01, 2011 05:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Capriaquarius - I have Moon in the 12th and Venus (11H) squaring Saturn in the 7th. All my life I've felt my mother wanted me to be a carbon copy of her, however I'm very frank and outspoken, she usually sees this as opposition and takes it personally and wants to argue when it isn't. During Thanksgiving I mentioned casually I wish I could go to school for metaphysics and she sighed and whined "Why do you always have to be different? Can't you just go to school, join a sorority, laugh...and get married and have babies?"

I said "Well, we moved out of Utah about 10 years ago, and it's not the 1950's anymore. How far back do you want to go Mom, I mean can we still vote?"

I mean really, the 'different' thing really stung.

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posted December 01, 2011 05:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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"Why do you always have to be different? Can't you just go to school, join a sorority, laugh...and get married and have babies?" ughhh....moms!

I said "Well, we moved out of Utah about 10 years ago, and it's not the 1950's anymore. How far back do you want to go Mom, I mean can we still vote?"

LOL good comeback

I mean really, the 'different' thing really stung.[/B]


Its good to be different evolution strives on diversity....if everyone is the same no progress will happen and evolution will stagnate is how I see it.

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