posted December 02, 2011 04:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Capriquarius:
YoursTrulyAlways: That totally sounds Venus in Aquarius. My ex has that Venus and throughout our relationship he's had tons of friends of both sexes and I know he didn't think of his female friends as anything more than friends. I found that the more space and liberty I gave him (especially as my interest in the relationship started waning), the more he clung to me.

I just don't know whether your wife would perceive your behavior as lack of interest. My ex used to confuse me until I read up on his Venus sign.

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Thank you so much for putting this into an astrological perspective!

[have you seen the thread on the fathers?]

My wife knows and she doesn't have much concern because she has confidence in my judgment. She too has lots of friendships, including with ex-b/fs. I'm secure enough that I'm not concerned.

posted December 02, 2011 05:03 PM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
Thank you so much for putting this into an astrological perspective!

[have you seen the thread on the fathers?]

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That thread is getting frightening and heavy, actually! Capricorn misery central. I'm going to go through it tonight at home. And probably end up crying myself to sleep lol.

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My wife knows and she doesn't have much concern because she has confidence in my judgment. She too has lots of friendships, including with ex-b/fs. I'm secure enough that I'm not concerned.

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You are right that the more freedom I have to interact with other women, the more I cling on to my wife. In a sense, its the way I discover how every other woman just plain "sux" comparted to what I have rofl

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posted December 02, 2011 07:36 PM            

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Originally posted by AscTaurus:
[b]Lioness:

Ruler of the 12th in H7
Or maybe Ruler of the 7th in H12
Or maybe ruler of the 5th to the 12th.

I agree with the above.

I also read somewhere that Juno in 12th, or the ruler of Juno in 12th house is a significant indicator of a secret marriage.[/B]

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INTERESTING!!
Actually I have Uranus conjunct Juno in H7... Uranus (aqua) rules my 12th...
My x husband was a secret affair..
But of course we did eventually go public

For me I dont do secret affairs with married men..
Thats not why they are a secret..
Like with Pisces its a secret because of work..
I dated another guy (long time ago) his EX wife was my BF sister in law..
so we kept it a secret ( my friend knew.. she just didnt want drama with her sister n law)

So secret relationships (ie affairs) are not just because of one being in a relationship..

A secret relationship, is when you keep it mostly between you to.. You dont go around telling anyone.. Or have a need to hide because of other reasons.. It could even be a secret friendship... Like an internet buddy or something..

YES h12 is usually activated.

posted December 03, 2011 03:24 AM            

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Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:
If any of your planets fall in their 12th house, they'll wanna hide you like a fat chick hides candy bars at the fat farm.

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I dont think that is true. You might enjoy as couple doing things discretely but that doesn't mean that either party is hiding the other from family and friends. I had this with my ex and he knew my family and friends and I knew his. However my mom didn't like him all that much which put stress in the relationship. After we broke up after close to a year then we had to sneak around. I feel 12th house aspects just put one or other in circumstances at some point in the relationship were hiding the relationship is necessary in order to see each other.

posted December 03, 2011 03:28 AM            

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Originally posted by curiouswoman:
okay people this is isn't high school...a "secret affair" means being involved in a secret love relationship as in with a married man or marry secretly etc

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I have to disagree.
reasons for secret affairs that I have seen
work
same sex
different back grounds (family wont approve)

posted December 03, 2011 03:28 AM            

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Originally posted by Libreo:
:-( My new partner has Venus in the 12th house!

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Venus in the 12th attracts unusual relationships but I imagine when they finally meet someone available who they like that they would be trustworthy and great lovers bec venus in the 12th is exalted.

posted December 03, 2011 03:44 AM            

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Originally posted by Lioness:
I have to disagree.
reasons for secret affairs that I have seen
work
same sex
different back grounds (family wont approve)

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posted December 03, 2011 07:42 AM            

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Originally posted by Capriquarius:
prone to keeping your love life under wraps.

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Has everyone overlooked this brilliant response? There aren't any negative connotations to this, which is what I think what people are broadly referring to as "12th house relationships" or placements indicates. Though in some cases, I'm sure it can be a bit more.

I think the phrase "secret affair" really set this thread up for disaster. Lol. Secrecy is taboo enough, but then add the connotations of an affair...geesh. People are imagining all sorts of sordid entanglements. But I think you might actually be wanting to know about secret affairs of the...well, 'adult' type shall we say ('cheating', sex buddies, taboo...etc) which I don't think has to be a 12th house issue, but very well might be.

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Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:
If any of your planets fall in their 12th house, they'll wanna hide you like a fat chick hides candy bars at the fat farm.

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Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:
No intepretation of any placement or aspect is true for everyone.

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How, is this? By the way, that first quote is hilarious though! I laughed--loudly!

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Originally posted by amelia28:

Forbidden love that requires sacrifice is the theme of the 12th house I feel and the relationship exists bc is forbidden and there is a feeling that you are soulmates.

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I will officially state publicly, that if your posts are any indicator--I love the way you think!

I feel 12th house placements do not indicate a 'secret affair' or even a relationship that is based off shame...etc. "Boo, sugar plum, snickerdoodle... I want to hide you from everybody." It could indicate two people desiring to keep their relationship less public, because they want to protect it from the prying eyes of other people. Or one person could very well be aware of larger social dynamics (like many others have mentioned) that will destroy the relationship, thus they will try to protect it. I've watched this happen before, several times.

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Originally posted by AstrologicalWizardofTheNewWorldandOldWorldandAllWorldstoCome (fictional, btw):

Dear Lord...if your venus falls in someone's 12th house, you will be their most secret affair--EVER. In fact, I would go so far as to say, you will have to wear a cloak in public with a pair of aviator sunglasses and beach sandals, that's what the square suggests, imo. More specifically, they will probably shag you with a paper bag over your head while they are blindfolded, because you are such a secret for them-- looking at that opposition. I mean, they can't even see you with that Venus sitting there being blinded by the Sun, and that aspect to Saturn means they will be VERY disciplined about hiding you, even from themselves. Then that Eros in the 12th, conjunct the Node...I mean, this is your destiny, I'm sorry. You see the gate, don't you, walk on, quietly. I mean, this is 'such' a secret relationship I shouldn't be talking about this with you dear beca---.

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Lol!

Maybe the thread should have been like "less visible relationships" or something. Semantics is playing a big role in how this conversation is turning out.

I'd also like to say, though not personally involved in 'secret relationships and affairs' (whatever that really means), I've seen some hidden relationships based on more loyalty, honesty and true intimacy than some 'public relationships' and 'marriages' so go figure.

If two people desiring only to privately be with each other allows them to express unconditional love, so be it. If those people are on the same emotional, spiritual and psychological wavelength, more power to them. Rather that than a fraud relationship that looks "public and visible" where they might secretly hate each other, or have a parasitic relationship. What placements show that? But hey, at least everyone knows you are together, right? For better or worse, till death do us part (and we just hope they aren't secretly plotting to have death part you both!

posted December 03, 2011 01:32 PM            

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Originally posted by FireWire:

Lol!

Maybe the thread should have been like "less visible relationships" or something. Semantics is playing a big role in how this conversation is turning out.

I'd also like to say, though not personally involved in 'secret relationships and affairs' (whatever that really means), I've seen some hidden relationships based on more loyalty, honesty and true intimacy than some 'public relationships' and 'marriages' so go figure.

If two people desiring only to privately be with each other allows them to express unconditional love, so be it. If those people are on the same emotional, spiritual and psychological wavelength, more power to them. Rather that than a fraud relationship that looks "public and visible" where they might secretly hate each other, or have a parasitic relationship. What placements show that? But hey, at least everyone knows you are together, right? For better or worse, till death do us part (and we just hope they aren't secretly plotting to have death part you both!

I am finding more and more, there are a lot of people here who want everything in astrology to be cut and dry. Everything to be black and white. Life just isn't that way. Human's aren't that way. Why and how can a system of the cosmos 'shedding light' on humanity be cut and dry, black and white? It isn't possible. I'm going to write a thread about this soon. I just find that sort of thinking to just be somewhat bizarre. I can't wrap my mind around it. Life is so full of possibilities and scenarios, how can astrology be any different?

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well said. I agree that 12th house placements allow for more in depth intimacy and an opportunity to express unconditional love and were the people involve are completely themselves with each other, transparent,and accept each other as is. In my experience relationships involving the 12th house have been very beautiful. Is like the relationship is hidden to others for whatever the reason at some point but the parties involve are transparent to eachother, a sense of familiarity and strong connection are present with this placement in synastry and composite.

I personally love the 12th house natally, in synastry and in composite. I see them as past life gifts that are here to assist in this life time.

posted December 03, 2011 05:57 PM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
well said. I agree that 12th house placements allow for more in depth intimacy and an opportunity to express unconditional love and were the people involve are completely themselves with each other, transparent,and accept each other as is. In my experience relationships involving the 12th house have been very beautiful. Is like the relationship is hidden to others for whatever the reason at some point but the parties involve are transparent to eachother, a sense of familiarity and strong connection are present with this placement in synastry and composite.

I personally love the 12th house natally, in synastry and in composite. I see them as past life gifts that are here to assist in this life time.

Looking forward to reading your thread.

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posted December 03, 2011 11:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Libreo:
amelia28 I have wanted to say this for sometime now, I think you are a very nice person! You seem very warm and nurturing and always say nice things to everyone and put people's minds at ease and just seem naturally interested in everything people say but never argumentative. Like the good fairy spreading goodwill all over the site! Lol, so thankyou :-)

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awwww thank you so much for your kind words, you made me blush a little . May the universe shower you with love and everything you need.

posted December 04, 2011 11:16 AM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
What the hell is the definition of a "secret affair" anyway?! What needs to occur to transform a friendship into an affair? There are no clear definitions. Everything is open to subjective interpretation.

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