posted December 02, 2011 12:34 AM            

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Originally posted by Capriquarius:
Venus in 12th Male or female, prone to keeping your love life under wraps.

Composite Mars in 12th might be sex buddies.

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posted December 02, 2011 12:45 AM            

Ruler of the 12th in H7
Or maybe Ruler of the 7th in H12
Or maybe ruler of the 5th to the 12th.

I agree with the above.

posted December 02, 2011 09:56 AM            

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Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:
If any of your planets fall in their 12th house, they'll wanna hide you like a fat chick hides candy bars at the fat farm.

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posted December 02, 2011 10:23 AM            

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Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:
If any of your planets fall in their 12th house, they'll wanna hide you like a fat chick hides candy bars at the fat farm.

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posted December 02, 2011 11:51 AM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
I'll take the candy bars over the stinking dirty laundry and bone dry skeletons in the closet of a popular and wild chick any day.

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A secret is a secret, whether *you're* someone else's secret, or you *have* secrets - it's all 12th house territory.

Judging people by appearances isn't all that smart either because trust, I know some geeky, unattractive, unpopular women who have enough skeletons to rival a cemetery (stuff like diagnosed mental illness, criminal acts they've committed, and falsely accusing guys of rape; as well as stalking and death threats - and that's just for starters, if I told you any more you'd think I made it up or got this from a bad soap-opera), and so-called 'popular, wild' chicks who are actually pretty tame and have nothing to hide.

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What the hell is the definition of a "secret affair" anyway?! What needs to occur to transform a friendship into an affair? There are no clear definitions. Everything is open to subjective interpretation

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It's pretty self-explanatory, actually. But to be specific it's basically being involved with someone in a romantic context and they do all they can to keep their relationship with you private, for any number of reasons, whether it's that they're married, anything. Pretty much, if you're seeing someone but they won't introduce you to everyone as being *with* them...then you might be their 'secret affair'.

posted December 02, 2011 11:56 AM            

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Originally posted by amowls**:
One can have many kinds of relationships over a lifetime, so I din't think it's necessarily indicated in the natal. Unless you're talking about someone who prefers those kinds of relationships.

I've been in one. The Composite had Pisces rising and a 12th house stellium of Sun, Venus, Mars and Mercury.

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posted December 02, 2011 12:17 PM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
What the hell is the definition of a "secret affair" anyway?! What needs to occur to transform a friendship into an affair? There are no clear definitions. Everything is open to subjective interpretation.

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posted December 02, 2011 03:11 PM            

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Originally posted by anongrl10:
If you hide it from your wife, that'd be *secret*.

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posted December 02, 2011 03:26 PM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
Well, she knows all my friends, and has had dinner with most of them. Wife isn't informed about every converstaion I have, naturally. My point is that there is a clear delineation between friendship and affection on a friendship basis on the one hand, and a torid "secret affair" on the other. Naturally, I do hug my friends, and sometimes they gently kiss me as well, including in front of my wife and in front of their husbands, although I make it a point to never initiate anything. My understanding is that it does not constitute an affair.

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posted December 02, 2011 03:29 PM            

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Originally posted by anongrl10:
Nobody is speaking about friendship here, Ian. You asked what is "secret" and I responded. No need to be defensive. Or is there.

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posted December 02, 2011 03:38 PM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
Sorry. Not being defensive here.

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posted December 02, 2011 03:41 PM            

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Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:
I think you can definitely see the potential for that type of experience in a chart, whether it's natal, synastry or composite. But that at the same time, it doesn't mean you will definitely experience that. No intepretation of any placement or aspect is true for everyone. I've read a billion times for example that Moon-Pluto means your mom abused you, either verbally or emotionally or actually slapping you around, so on and so forth...only, I have the two in aspect and my mom was the exact opposite of that, and d.amn good to me, so there you go...

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posted December 02, 2011 03:55 PM            

I was in one serious long-term relationship and was insanely in love with him for the first few years but never would have introduced him to my dysfunctional family if he hadn't thrown a tantrum over it. I also didn't care to spend so much time with his relatives. I prefer interacting with people because I chose them especially as individuals, not because they happen to be linked to me through someone.

However, no strings attached relationships carry a stigma and in dating market terms, I would be devaluing myself. The Capricorn in me can't take that - neither the social disapproval nor the feeling that I'm getting the shorter end of the bargain. So there you have it, I'm going to end up a celibate spinster.

posted December 02, 2011 04:00 PM            

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Originally posted by anongrl10:
I don't know about that, Ian. You took a pretty general topic about planets in the 12th and secret love affairs and made it about you, your friends and your wife. It's pretty clear from where I sit that you are feeling at least a bit defensive. I don't mind it at all. I'm more concerned about you and whether you see a red flag when it is right in front of you. And now I'm stopping here because my bluntness is probably becoming unpleasant to you.

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No, I appreciate your bluntness. Its exactly what I want.

Yes, I'm at a loss whether there is a red flag issue if I have a bunch of entire platonic relationships but not share every little last bit of detail, not about contact - because there is absolutely none, which I have made clear again and again - but about discussions about sharing of problems, family details, hopes, ambitions, etc.

Some people - especially women - view emotional attachments, even within friendships, to constitute "cheating" regardless of whether my wife already knows each and everyone of my friends and knows the general tone of our social interaction.

What's wrong with being friends with men only? I don't get along with men. I rather be a loner if I cannot have friendships with women.

Now, if such emotional attachments even within a friendship realm is regarded as "cheating" or "secret affairs," then I am being forced to give up almost every single friendship I have in my life. That is my frustration.