posted December 13, 2011 11:25 AM            

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Originally posted by inthemisosoup:
The most intense synastry I had with Pluto was with my Scorpio ex . . . my Venus and Pluto were conjunct his sun, mercury, and saturn . . . all within a 2 degree orb max, most of the aspects were less than 1 degree. I don't know if I will ever find passion like that again. But let me tell you, the good comes with the bad. The REALLY bad. We fought like there was no tomorrow. We played games. We made each other miserable. And then the conversations we had, they were incredible. We really got each other and loved to talk about the deepest parts of human emotion. I could talk to him forever.

We don't talk anymore, it all ended very badly. It was not a healthy relationship.

His pluto also sextiled my Neptune, which is probably why I always imagined our relationship would get better. Should've gotten out of it much earlier than I did, tbh. On a wider 7-8degree orb his Pluto was also conjunct my Venus and Pluto, but I think that's probably too wide to count.

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Whoa, sounds like the synastry I'm having with my current guy. *sighface*

He is a Scorp Sun, I'm a Libra Sun with Venus/ASC in Scorp

My neptune is sextile his pluto 3'
My moon squares his neptune .5'

As for pluto:
My pluto conj his sun at 5'
My sun conj his pluto at 6'
His pluto conjs my Ascendant - super tight

posted December 14, 2011 06:54 AM            

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Originally posted by mintgirl123:
^ aw hun, were the orbs really tight?

I've learnt a long time ago not to wait for texts. It just makes you feel pretty crap if they don't text back when you're hoping for a response.

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posted December 14, 2011 07:55 AM            

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Originally posted by Leonine8:
Pluto can be compulsive, but I think the control part is that once someone lets you doen, you never fully trust them again. Also you may always keep your guard up.

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This is so incredibly true.

posted December 14, 2011 08:24 AM            

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Originally posted by Taineberry:
ok .. this is my experience for Sun conjunct pluto in synastry - the Pluto person is obsessed initially with the Sun person, even idolizes Sun and the relationship is very passionate - the Sun person feels empowered and this can endure for a long time if indicators are there in the rest of the chart. However, Sun may find it difficult at times to sustain the intensity and depth that Pluto's craves ... and IF Sun betrays Pluto's trust once too often ... Pluto can turn cold, hard and unfeeling in an instant. The tables then turn and Sun will be the one who tries to move heaven and earth to break down the stony wall that Pluto has raised. And so the power struggle begins! In the end it is harder for the Sun person to survive a breakup (if there is one) than the Pluto person because Pluto has probably purged themselves emotionally long before Sun knows what even hit them.

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Well, I disagree with the Pluto person 'purging themselves' so quickly emotionally. I don't think this is a relationship where that happens easily or quickly for either person. Just from my observation and participation, lol. A lot of factors play a role in that.

The thing about these bizarre dynamics, is that sometimes there can be illusions, jealousy and self-deception. Who's to say the Sun 'really' betrayed Pluto's trust, at all? Pluto could simply be obsessed to the point they have no rational thought (especially if they are already prone to insecurity). The Sun might not be provoking them at all, but that doesn't mean Pluto won't see it that way. The best quote I've ever read about Pluto has been this:

Pluto will destroy anything that threatens its survival.

Well, we all know how threats can work, especially considering the psychology of it all. You might not be 'threatening' them per se, but they might feel threatened in some way--game, over...or, the games might began rather. I do agree, the Sun has the potential to be hurt (especially depending on the Pluto's motives). But, I also think if Pluto 'consciously' harms the Sun out of fear/jealousy/rage (lets not get on the karma of that), they will UNDOUBTEDLY harm themselves as well...quite simply because of the power of the synergy that is created. The dynamic has the potential to define and shape both, and their being together and with each other some way is important to them both. Perhaps even more important to Pluto than the Sun--or so I've read.

I don't think these dynamics have to be a big problem. I really, really feel it depends on the evolution of the two individuals involved. And to be honest (as I've been the Sun, a couple of times), Pluto seems to do a lot of snooping to start building a case up. For me, in these cases, I have also been the Pluto in a Venus sq. Pluto dynamic. So, I will do my fair share of researching as well. And I have a natal Pluto in Scorp and Merc in Scorp (among others), so I am an expert in that department ( and often, I will find your truth first and then hand you mine, lol). And in my experiences also (particularly with the Sun/Pluto relationship)--it is the other way around. I've found that the Pluto person has a tendency to think they know "all about the Sun" when often times they are wrong, or the sources they get their information from is unreliable. I think there knowing of each other is mutual, unconscious and intuitive--UNTIL the ego gets involved. Then, I think the distortion becomes blinding.

The thing about the Sun/Pluto dynamic, is that it effects them AND those around them. I think this is a VERY powerful relationship and dynamic. People pay attention to this relationship and the two people, platonic or otherwise. People watch this relationship and speculate. That in and of itself has a lot to do with how the two people actually involved are impacted and 'transformed.'

posted December 14, 2011 09:01 AM            

Venus (her) Conjunct Pluto (me)
Jupiter (her) Conjunct Pluto (me)
Mercury (me) Trine Pluto (her)
Mars (me) Trine Pluto (her)

For whatever its worth, here are the generic interpretations from Skyviewzone:

Venus (her) Conjunct Pluto (me)

There is a strong pull between these two that can be fascinating, intensely attractive, and yet also disturbing at times. These two share a deep emotional tie. The Pluto person seems to have a window into the Venus person's soul at times, and can use this special connection for better or for worse. As the relationship progresses, the Pluto person may behave in a possessive manner towards the Venus person. This is one indication of a karmic tie. This pairing of planets is one of the stronger indications of intense sexual attraction. This is a passionate connection, but should be managed so that it doesn't turn into a love-hate union. Obsessive behavior is also a possibility. The Pluto person may demand more intimacy than the Venus person is willing or capable of giving. This relationship seems to change and evolve, and can be characterized by many dramas and emotional ups and downs. Times of frustration are followed by enlightenment and release, as the bond these two share is not a light or superficial one whatsoever.

Jupiter (her) Conjunction Pluto (me)

Your romantic relationship stimulates your ambitions to experience abundance, making you dissatisfied with anything less than what you desire. You and romantic partner are far more fortunate and powerful as a team. You can make a difference in the world, changing your lives and those of others. If your romantic partner’s Jupiter is in conjunction with your Pluto, he/she gives you optimism, you give him/her depth and intensity and together you have an ability to expose truth and enjoy your journey where your aspirations and understanding take you.
Your belief systems change and evolve as the result of your relationship.

Mercury (me) Trine Pluto (her)

Your romantic partner will have deep, penetrating conversations which stimulate your insights and give you a more spiritual understanding regarding unresolved relationship issues. You will find yourself revealing particularly private information. If your romantic partner’s Mercury is trine your Pluto, he/she will find it very easy to unburden repressed ideas and your discussions will help to release negative concepts garnered during previous relationships. This whole process will increase his/her spiritual understanding and growth both as a romantic partner and as an individual.

Mars (me) Trine Pluto (her)

There is nothing to hold you back from extremes. Sexual energies between you and your romantic partner are very intense, very absorbing. Whatever you two do, you do with everything you’ve got. You both have the individual assertiveness, desire, willingness to be inspired by challenges and overcome opposition, you could accomplish even more together. If your romantic partner’s Mars is trine your Pluto, you naturally have a source of regenerative energies which create and sustain a intensely possessive sexual union. Power plays come easily and both of you enjoy driving.

posted December 14, 2011 10:12 AM            

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Originally posted by FireWire:
Well, I disagree with the Pluto person 'purging themselves' so quickly emotionally. I don't think this is a relationship where that happens easily or quickly for either person.

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posted December 14, 2011 11:14 AM            

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Originally posted by Taineberry:

Just to clarify ... I was talking about my OWN experience and I am sure that others have different experiences. I never said it was easy and what I was referring to when I said Pluto can turn cold "in an instant" was the FINAL shut-down of emotion which can go from intense connection to nothing with bewildering speed. Please note I was not referring to the events leading up to this (which took years). Anyway, I was Pluto. It took years and years for my trust to be broken, and when it finally happened it felt like a sudden numbness hit me like a sledgehammer. I was not jealous, what I experienced "once too often" was betrayal that was very real. I was betrayed on an epic scale that shook my roots, following decades of smaller betrayals that I forgave repeatedly due to the love and intense connection I felt for the sun person. The sudden death of emotion was something I never expected - it took me by surprise that I could switch off like that after all we had been through. It wasn't a choice, it was something that just snapped inside me. The sun person couldn't believe it either, totally freaked out that our connection could not be restored when previously this had been done so easily. I felt bad as the Sun person was genuinely remorseful. I actually really tried to reconcile not because I was in any pain but because I could see Sun was suffering (a change of foot here!) .... but the feelings inside me were dead and couldn't be revived. They just did not exist anymore. Sun really could not understand that for a long time.

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I don't want you to feel like I was saying "I disagree" as in "what you are saying is WRONG." I shouldn't have used the word disagree, but obviously I too was sharing my perspective on the dynamic and realize I could have said that differently.

And your story sounds extremely intense, and I am sorry you experienced that. I am learning, when you have such intense feelings for anyone, sometimes it hurts to see something so beautiful degraded, you know? Like, I almost feel that gradual "this might be dying" feeling and observation can be worse than the final death, so to speak. Because the whole time you are thinking "why did you have/why are you ruining something so beautiful."

posted December 14, 2011 12:30 PM            

In my situation the pain was all mine (Pluto's) when the relationship was alive and Sun only felt it after it was dead.

I was just thinking afterwards that the shocking suddeness of my "switch off" may in part be due Uranus being conjunct Pluto in my chart.

posted December 14, 2011 01:28 PM            

It is a very very intense relationship I must say.

How wide were the orbs between all your sun/pluto relationships???

I currently have my Pluto Conjunct my Bf's Sun at a pretty wide orb (5) and I really don't think it counts..but it does feel VERY VERY much like Sun conj Pluto.

posted December 14, 2011 02:40 PM            

I've definitely experienced a positive Sun/Pluto connection. I do think the timing might have been off, and they just felt (read: still feel) they know me more than they do. Which I do not really enjoy, because it true.

I think as with any relationship, the key to dealing with some of the Pluto stuff, is communication. The positive example I mention, is one where communication was important to figure out where "we were" with each other. For all that Pluto brings forth to'our surfaces' , it doesn't always necessarily create friendly and honest dialogue between two people or in the context of the relationship.

In my experiences (particularly right now), it is bringing up my shadow. The dark side of my personality and things I would rather ignore about myself. Almost like a hidden danger. Things that I didn't even know I dealt with or could feel towards someone or any sort of situation. Wrestling with obsession, anxiety, anger...etc. Pluto brings up things people sometimes don't want to talk about alone and certainly not together. But for me personally, I feel my growth and transformation happens with a combination of quiet reflection and dialogue with whomever. One can choose to address or repress what Pluto unearths, for a period of time. But they will eventually be reckoned with.

I feel it brings those things up so they can be addressed, looked at and maybe even talked about. It brings up fear, sometimes. I mean, if you are afraid of someone leaving you, talk to them about it. Understand, everyone might not respond positively to that though. To be honest, sometimes these scary, vulnerable discussions and points have to occur (hopefully in a healthy way). I think these intense relationships bring these intense issues up so we can address them alone (which seems to happen a lot in the beginning), and together if you want to be involved each others lives. And this is SO important and seemingly obvious--you have to want to be in each others lives, for the better. And if the relationship falls apart because of such communication, well, that relationship might not be built to last. That being said....

Also, every relationship serves the same function--lessons. We all learn something from them. The extent and the intensity of those lessons vary. Whether it is the love of your life, the FWB, friend...etc, there are some lessons there for us to learn and to help us evolve and grow. Some of my most memorable involvements with people have strong pluto connections (pluto/mars, sun/pluto, pluto venus and a ton of others actually) and I will always care for these people. And I was hurt very deeply and really betrayed in a couple of them, due to powerplay and manipulation (something I abhor). I try to appreciate the use of the relationship and the learning lesson (typical Sag, right).

posted December 14, 2011 03:44 PM            

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No worries Taineberry, no harm done!

I've definitely experienced a positive Sun/Pluto connection. I do think the timing might have been off, and they just felt (read: still feel) they know me more than they do. Which I do not really enjoy, because it true.

I think as with any relationship, the key to dealing with some of the Pluto stuff, is communication. The positive example I mention, is one where communication was important to figure out where "we were" with each other. For all that Pluto brings forth to'our surfaces' , it doesn't always necessarily create friendly and honest dialogue between two people or in the context of the relationship.

In my experiences (particularly right now), it is bringing up my shadow. The dark side of my personality and things I would rather ignore about myself. Almost like a hidden danger. Things that I didn't even know I dealt with or could feel towards someone or any sort of situation. Wrestling with obsession, anxiety, anger...etc. Pluto brings up things people sometimes don't want to talk about alone and certainly not together. But for me personally, I feel my growth and transformation happens with a combination of quiet reflection and dialogue with whomever. One can choose to address or repress what Pluto unearths, for a period of time. But they will eventually be reckoned with.

I feel it brings those things up so they can be addressed, looked at and maybe even talked about. It brings up fear, sometimes. I mean, if you are afraid of someone leaving you, talk to them about it. Understand, everyone might not respond positively to that though. To be honest, sometimes these scary, vulnerable discussions and points have to occur (hopefully in a healthy way). I think these intense relationships bring these intense issues up so we can address them alone (which seems to happen a lot in the beginning), and together if you want to be involved each others lives. And this is SO important and seemingly obvious--you have to want to be in each others lives, for the better. And if the relationship falls apart because of such communication, well, that relationship might not be built to last. That being said....

Also, every relationship serves the same function--lessons. We all learn something from them. The extent and the intensity of those lessons vary. Whether it is the love of your life, the FWB, friend...etc, there are some lessons there for us to learn and to help us evolve and grow. Some of my most memorable involvements with people have strong pluto connections (pluto/mars, sun/pluto, pluto venus and a ton of others actually) and I will always care for these people. And I was hurt very deeply and really betrayed in a couple of them, due to powerplay and manipulation (something I abhor). I try to appreciate the use of the relationship and the learning lesson (typical Sag, right).

More importantly, I have to learned to accept my role and regardless of how deeply and intensely I've felt, I am responsible for how I am treated. We are all responsible, no matter what our moons does to venus or whatever, if anything, these relationships (good are bad) teach us about boundaries. And even for us Plutonian types of love to be lost or consumed by a relationship or involvement, we have to remember boundaries are actually important. But, I've found I typically learn this in the 'exit course' phase of relationships (platonic and otherwise).

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Firewire,

You have put that to the best context. Very well said.

As of right now, I do have communication issues with my boyfriend, which I will address with him in a constructive way. I want to be honest with him, which he GREATLY appreciates. Therefore, I will be honest with him to the max. We all enter into a relationship for a purpose. We like that person, and we want somehow to have that person be incorporated in our lives. Now, some people might have a bit of a hard time doing that and learning to do that (example - my Scorp sun/saturn/pluto boyfriend) but that's okay. I believe that if I provide patience, love, care, and tenderness, all these astrology "afflictions" or "doomed" aspects can be overcome.

It's very important to have communication in a relationship. Perhaps everyone's idea of communication is different. Some people don't like to talk about things, and rather do things. Other people are all about the talk and have no course of action to back it up. I think in order to be a better person for the sake of the relationship, you need to balance both. I'm not saying words weigh more than action, it DOES speak louder than words sometimes but if all your actions are confusing someone then some simple words could help put things in perspective.

posted December 17, 2011 11:47 PM            

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I believe that if I provide patience, love, care, and tenderness, all these astrology "afflictions" or "doomed" aspects can be overcome.

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Can I just say I really love people who think about relationships this way? They are willing to overcome things, discuss and really be present. Beautiful. You'd be surprised how uncommon it is, actually.

Also, I think sometimes, for me it is helpful to put them in a broader context as 'relationship issues' and sort of demphasize dwelling on the astrological context. As it were, you'll have to search through your relationship and each other to find the solution, and it is great we can use astrology to isolate aspects and narrow key concerns down. Once you find the issue, call it by name (or pray for it, whatever it takes, lol), you can cut to the chase! All the best!

posted December 18, 2011 01:24 AM            

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Originally posted by Leonine8:
Great posts. With pluto opp sun and moon in syn, it's made me question how close I want to be. It's all or nothing. We aren't kinda friends. You're in or out. If you want out, don't expect much. We're gonna keep it superficial. And I may not have a lot of time for that.

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posted December 18, 2011 02:16 AM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
Ooh what's your composite look like RedScorp?

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